Exit Jon Sanderson
Can't embed the tweet anymore because the button is missing. Katie Strang at the Athletic has the scoop.
Please edit the "D," moms
Removed the "D". The third "Q" is silent (very silent, in fact), so I left that.
I'll edit your d, Vlad.
So much for zero tolerance. Geez that's a bad look both on the coach and the AD, if true.....
This is a total disaster in the making
In the making? Its done been made.
A bad look for the AD? When has the AD not looked bad?
His baby pictures were quite cute, allegedly.
What happened to the media embed icon?
Does this mean that Juwan is staying? Shit
Of course he is. He’s Wardes boy. Warde is not going to fire him watch. Warde is a cancer for Michigan and shouldn’t have ever been hired to begin with.
How he has remained employed in his current roles is astounding.
Makes you wonder, where is Santa?
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Juwan + Warde = Job Security
It also = empty Crisler next year.
No. It means that after the incident Sanderson wasn’t going to work for Michigan anymore, and it took time to get the settlement right.
It means nothing with regard to Juwan’s job security after the season. It does reflect that Michigan found that the incident did not meet the threshold for a misconduct firing, and that Michigan was not going to fire Howard midseason due to on-court performance.
I suspect that there was no scenario in which Sanderson would stay. If there were, it would only be if Juwan was fired immediately. I know many here would now wish that would have happened, but Michigan is not a quick-trigger firing school, particularly for program legacy guys, and the season that the team has had really needed to play out.
I’m not saying that Howard is for sure fired, just that this doesn’t mean he’s staying.
If I read the article correctly, Sanderson was willing to sit down with Howard and staff to iron things out, but instead Warde benched Sanderson completely and wouldnt allow him with the student athletes. So it seems he did want to stay but after being in an altercation with Howard and then Warde benching him he could see he clearly wasnt wanted.
This is the part of the reported story that bothers me the second most*... It appears that (literally) everything was done to protect JuH ("wow, that's some zero-tolerance policy your operating there"), including (as you put it) "benching" Sanderson. You wonder if things would have been different if Warde had been in JiH's corner like he's apparently in JuH's...
*The thing that bothers me the most is that the culture of our Bball program is now such that incidents like that underlying this one (players having a run in with training staff to the point that another coach must step in and the head coach taking sides against his own staff) can occur. Not to beat a dead horse, but can you imagine anything like this with JB teams?
Yeah, the minute Sanderson stopped working with the basketball team he was likely gone, only the sides were negotiating a settlement. I don't think Sanderson would have been returned if Howard came back; the team likely would have seen him as the guy who was involved with their coach getting fired, and that's unlikely to engender much good will.
Michigan is not going to fire a coach, especially an alum, in the middle of the year if they don't have to. That's just how they are. But I wouldn't read anything into this departure as it relates to Howard's continued employment.
I also caution, as always, taking as the unvarnished truth any statement made by one side during negotiations around an incident like this. I read the Athletic article and some of those quotes were absolutely manufactured to convey a vibe, not the actual words, because people simply don't talk like that. I absolutely believe Howard got mad at Sanderson for yelling at Jace, and that both sides got loud. I am somewhat more dubious that Sanderson was stoically trying to deescalate the situation especially since other reports at the time reported he yelled out "nobody wants to fucking coach this team" and "the culture here sucks", which may be true but probably aren't things an adult should be yelling at college kids.
Anyway, this season has sucked and I hope it ends soon so they can move on to fixing it.
I agree that as an iconic Michigan alum he deserves the respect of not being fired mid season. I’m just shocked this turned bad so quickly. I remember his first season when they started that tournament with a bunch of wins and watching JHoward interact with his player’s thinking damn he’s going to be really good. He ended an interview and danced over to his team, the vibe was amazing.
I get that JHoward and his kids have probably become entitled over the past 20-30 years. He has made a lot of money and people allow him and his family to behave without recourse and it probably became expected, hence a feeling of entitlement. The irony is he and his kids became the same as the entitled white kids he revered growing up.
I’m sad the failed for him and Michigan. Who knows, maybe he thought it was going to be easy but take take a page from Jim Harbaughs book,
“SOME PEOPLE ARE BORN ON THIRD BASE AND THINK THEY HIT A TRIPLE”
No, the scenario in which Sanderson would have stayed would have been Warde sticking to his zero tolerance policy. Honestly fuck Warde.
Wait are we not using this as a pro Warde sarcasm this time? I agree with you JSQ time to move the fuck on.
Zero tolerance policy doesn't mean Juwan can't argue with and yell at his subordinates. It's asinine that any of you are attempting to make that case.
Warde is incompetent. Period. He’s going to keep Howard because it’s his guy. Howard has destroyed Michigan basketball that is his legacy. His body of work has proven that next season somehow will be worse. He’s a joke. He shouldn’t coach any team in any capacity.
I agree with this completely. I felt the same regarding Sanderson - that there was no way was going to stay. I still feel like Warde is too afraid to fire Juwan mid-season, just to keep the attention to a lesser level, ie firing after the seasons end, optics are about performance, and the kerfuffle is only a brief bullet point in the dossier, where mid-season firing, it's all about Juwan gone wild.
Article on Athletic details some of the allegations. Howard should be gone before the weekend IMO. Unbelievable.
What are the allegations? If it is bad and Warde kept him on like he did with Mel Pearson, we should be looking at a new AD.
Just keep in mind that you're only getting one side of the story there.
An HR investigation cleared Howard of any wrongdoing in that situation. Personally, I'd find it kind of hard to believe they'd try to whitewash it if Howard did anything wrong. CYA is the name of the game in administration.
I hear you, but Sanderson's version of events doesn't involve anyone striking, shoving, kicking, etc. anyone. It appears that he and Juwan Howard never even made contact. There could have been violence, but there wasn't. There may have simply been no HR violation in a strict sense.
I should add that I don't know what the Michigan AD's HR rules are. But they probably wouldn't want to box themselves into a corner in which two coaches yelling and posturing is inherently a violation of a rule.
I'd be really surprised if Michigan's HR rules would condone what was described. Sounds like the two did not fight and there was no battery involved. But an assault is essentially the intent to do a battery. Clearly, Sanderson, and all of the folks restraining Howard, thought there was a clear intent to physically attack Sanderson for some words he said about his son being privileged (after Jace was allegedly dressing down Sanderson's staff).
Atop it all, Howard was on a "no more strikes" policy after getting into with Turgeon and Wisco coach.
It's fair to allow the other side to be heard of course, but this is not a good look for the University, Warde, Jace Howard or Coach Howard right now. And it further damns the future of this program.
EDIT: On the sports side of things, and just based on how this all went down, I wouldn't be surprised if Sanderson wanted to stick Howard/Warde in the eye on more time by taking a job at his alma mater (he's a Buckeye alum).
When did it become ok to talk about someone kid and not expect backlash? Not saying I’d attack a person but if someone was talking about my kid negatively I’d be emotional about it too. Too many people out here thinking they can say whatever and nothings going to happen.
That's why it is a bad idea to coach your own kid past middle school.
Especially when his talent level is nowhere near the level of a Michigan athlete.
Coaches can hold their players accountable, especially when they're acting entitled toward support staff of the program. If Juwan can't handle that happening toward his sons, he should not have recruited them. Especially because Jace Howard is a waste of a scholarship and was never a Michigan caliber player in any world
Especially because Jace Howard is a waste of a scholarship and was never a Michigan caliber player in any world
I have no problem with everything else you said, but there's no need to shit on the players.
Sounds like Jace has no problem shitting on lowly trainers doing their job. So I’m fine shitting on him. He’s an entitled brat who never deserved a scholarship at Michigan. He was a waste of a scholarship and his father is a horrible coach who decided his son was more important than the team.
I mean, sure. If you're going to take Sanderson's claims as gospel. I'm a bit more skeptical, given that the source had every incentive to spin this in a particular way.
I still think it's poor form to call any Michigan athlete a waste of a scholarship, and it seems to me that people are getting a bit too emotional over this whole thing. I'm fine with anyone that wants Juwan to be fired, but I just don't see any need to make it personal. 🤷♂️
The coaches son was GIFTED a scholarship to Michigan and then treats the training staff like crap. It’s embarrassing to defend that. He should know better, and his actions got someone fired. Unlike Jace Howard, Sanderson is good at something.
It's obvious you feel comfortable judging someone's integrity after hearing one side of a story. I'm not comfortable doing that.
You act like this is the first time Juwan behaved like a psycho. Hey man believe what you want but you can't blame people for not caring about Michigan basketball or Juwan Howard anymore.
I was confused why he needed a scholarship in the first place and definitely am now after he's played multiple years. Juwan made millions of dollars in the NBA...why is his kid not coming on as a walk on? Stephen Izzo didnt have a scholarship.
Oh Judas H Priest!
He didn't "shit" on anybody.
He stated that Jace wasn't a certain caliber of player.
Too many pats on the head and participation awards in our country.
And, too many people not differentiating...LSU.
I mean... I only coach 12U softball, but if my daughter was being disrespectful to a coach, I would have no problem with another coach putting her in her place. What kind of message are you teaching your kid if you want to fight anyone who disciplines or corrects them?
When said "kid" is a 22-year-old scholarship athlete (whether or not he deserved that schollie is another story...okay, he didn't).
If Juwan Howard can't handle someone rightfully calling out his son being a jerk, then he probably shouldn't be coaching said son (and we already have data that shows he basically let Jett do whatever he wanted with no repercussions)...or maybe not coaching at all at the college level.
Your kids aren't special. They're special to you, sure, but when they go out in the real world at the age of 22, they're just an adult who will get called out for messing up.
Yea if I am coaching peewee basketball, talk shit eat shit.
Michigan basketball making multi millions $$$, you got not have bias and coach objectively. I wasn't a fan of Jay harbaugh in the beginning but he showed results. Nepotism is almost never good. Got lucky once
If you get that upset at someone for calling out your son for being disrespectful, then you're part of the problem
Yeah because Howard has never shown self control issues before. Does any of it sound untrue?
There's only one side when a GOBLIN is flying or lying around!!!
Yeah, I fully believe there was aggression between the two men but a statement from a lawyer for a guy trying to get a settlement from a school for his termination is absolutely not going to be the unvarnished truth of what happened, and he knows that UM is not going to put out a statement to contract him.
The AD's HR department has had some black eyes recently - looking at you, Schemmy - but Howard isn't Teflon and they've punished him before for aggression that stepped over the line.