Chip Kelly to OSU as OC
February 9th, 2024 at 2:29 PM ^
So what should we expect from him? The name might initially horrify but he isn't the same guy who tortured us back in 2007 as Oregon's OC. Their defacto QB1 is not a natural passer. Is our alert level up a notch now?
February 9th, 2024 at 2:44 PM ^
No, nothing about his tenure at UCLA really indicates a guy who should be feared anymore.
February 9th, 2024 at 2:51 PM ^
"... same guy who tortured us back in 2007 ..."
An FCS school managed to torture Ron English and the rest of the staff in early 2007. I think you could set the bar a little higher. :)
February 9th, 2024 at 3:25 PM ^
I am not a Ron English defender by any means but that Appy St offense was loaded with D-1 talent at the skill positions. No way they should have beaten a top 5 Michigan team, but they were the two time defending champs and won the championship gaime again that year. Teams that grow accustomed to winning expect to win and that team really showed that belief. English did not have his guys ready to play.
If you are going to schedule a cupcake schedule a cupcake. Don't schedule a bag of glass with frosting on it.
February 9th, 2024 at 2:29 PM ^
Watch Wink take the UCLA job
February 9th, 2024 at 3:09 PM ^
I don't know who downvoted you but I laughed
February 9th, 2024 at 2:30 PM ^
Yeah, not a surprise. He wasn't getting any interest from the NFL and Day had an opening. I have a strong sense this will either work out spectacularly for OSU or it will absolutely submarine their season, and there's little in between. Day and Chip run markedly different systems, and so we'll see how they mesh especially given they're also bringing in a new QB some new players on offense.
But objectively it's a better OC than BoB, but I fully expect Chip to be out the door in a year or two.
February 9th, 2024 at 2:33 PM ^
Chip vs Wink: choose your fighter
February 9th, 2024 at 2:35 PM ^
I truly don't understand demoting yourself and taking a massive pay cut to stay in college
February 9th, 2024 at 2:36 PM ^
He must hate being at UCLA that badly. Either that or he feels he can't get the types of recruits he needs to win at the level he expects to win, whether its academic requirements, NIL limitations, etc.
February 9th, 2024 at 3:14 PM ^
Judging by his last two recruiting classes I think this is a situation where he said, I still love coaching, but I'm done with this portal/NIL shit. I'll coach offense, but I'm not going on any recruiting trips.
February 9th, 2024 at 4:28 PM ^
In Kelly's defense he's far from alone on that.
In the NFL there's some semblance of consistency and stability in your roster from year to year. Everyone is on a contract, and if you want to talk about your contract or what kind of money you think you're owed, great. But go get your agent and get them on the phone with the GM. That's their job. If Kelly can go to the NFL, he can rest easy knowing his sole job is to just come into the building every day and coach.
As a head coach in college football, it has to be exhausting to know you now have to not just recruit high school prospects every year, but you have to RE-RECRUIT the guys you've already recruited every year to prevent other programs from poaching them with bigger bags of cash. There's little to no semblance of roster stability, and Kelly probably knows that if he fields a 10-2 UCLA team, wins a conference title, makes the CFP, whatever, his roster will be gutted in the offseason by Texas, Alabama, OSU, Georgia, Clemson, and every other program with boosters willing to throw 6-7 figure checks at these kids.
Its like Billy Beane said in moneyball. "We're like organ donors for the rich. Boston's taken our kidneys, Yankees have taken our heart."
And that's not even considering the kids who just enter the portal because they're not starting, because now they have a free path to the field at some other school the next year, so there's even less incentive for them to stick around at your school when they can go start somewhere else next year.
I can't blame Kelly for wanting no part in that. How in the hell am I supposed to build a roster, maintain a culture and a team identity when I don't even know who's going to be on my team on a year to year basis.
February 9th, 2024 at 3:49 PM ^
Yabut, trading Southern California for Columbutt? Geez.
February 9th, 2024 at 4:21 PM ^
You get far, far closer to winning a championship in Columbus than you ever will in Inglewood. At least in football, anyway. His ceiling is vastly limited at UCLA, and the talent he gets there isn't going to be overly conducive to getting NFL teams to notice him or want his services.
Kelly is probably looking at this as an opportunity to coach the best group of skill position talent in the country, and if he can have that offense set the world on fire next year, he can leverage that into an NFL OC position within a year or two.
That's my guess, anyway. I have to imagine this is a situation like Martindale at Michigan. There is an understanding of "I'll coach my unit, but I have no plans on sticking around for more than a year or two. My ultimate goal is the NFL." Kelly has made it no secret that he wants to go back to the NFL. I don't think this changes that.
February 9th, 2024 at 2:51 PM ^
He must have been praying for UCLA to fire him so he could collect his guaranteed money but they wouldn't do it. UCLA did the smart thing.
February 9th, 2024 at 2:35 PM ^
Collins Acheampong...come on down part 3 ?? HAHA
February 9th, 2024 at 2:35 PM ^
If this was a move being made 10-15 years ago it would frighten me. But Kelly doesn't strike me as someone who is really at the forefront of offensive innovation anymore. His teams at UCLA just felt extremely lackluster.
Maybe it works out for them, and maybe Kelly will do better now that he can focus just on offense. But I have to wonder just how badly Kelly wanted out of UCLA that he was willing to take what's effectively a demotion to do it.
Guess no one in the NFL wants him around.
February 9th, 2024 at 2:40 PM ^
How does OSU have this pull after losing the last 3 to us? One more time and they'll clean house.
February 9th, 2024 at 2:49 PM ^
They don't fuck around at the top. They tend to all be rowing on unison and willing to play "big boy cfb". They've been seen as SEC North for two decades for a reason.
Michigan and many other blue bloods have so much infighting and factions that it ultimately hurts them eventually. OSU tends to just want to win, with little regard for whether you love Woody or played for him or whatever. It helps but they don't really care.
February 9th, 2024 at 2:53 PM ^
Yet they have as many national titles as Michigan does over the last 30 years.
February 9th, 2024 at 3:04 PM ^
I tend to think a lot of the "oh this school has better recruiting grounds and infrastructure" is slightly overrated these days - see USC, Texas and Florida in the 20-teens - but I'd buy that having a culture of donors and such can be a differentiator.
That said the most important thing is clearly the HC. And for all the talk of how many advantages OSU has had, sure they've not really been "down" in like 80 years, but they've won two ;ships in the last 50 and we just put out the Big Ten's best football team since Bo came to town, if not ever.
OSU is and likely always will be a challenge, but let's not forget that WE ARE THAT TEAM to be afraid of.
February 9th, 2024 at 3:16 PM ^
Sure but they've had the better program in that period, especially the last 20 years. It's due to how they run their program across the board.
Same amount of titles over 30 years but they've played for, what, 3 others? I also don't see any 3-9 years or weirdo factions constantly kicking their own dicks at the top.
February 9th, 2024 at 8:23 PM ^
We got lucky AF Jim blessed us for a ~decade
February 9th, 2024 at 2:53 PM ^
Pull? You're assuming that Chip had multiple opportunities.
February 9th, 2024 at 2:56 PM ^
Still... this is highly likely it's a one year gig.
February 9th, 2024 at 3:17 PM ^
It's a rehab job for him, like Wink. Succeed and they take the first major NFL job they can get.
February 9th, 2024 at 2:40 PM ^
So your team lacks toughness and you add Chip Kelly?? Odd
February 9th, 2024 at 2:41 PM ^
Why take such a significant demotion? Has a HC ever took an OC gig before??? Talk about wild!
OSU always falls up. What's in Columbus that warrants this level of obsession?
February 9th, 2024 at 3:52 PM ^
He gets to coach talent that he could only dream of at UCLA, doesn't have to deal with as much BS with recruiting, NIL and portal since he's not the HC and he's working with people he already knows.
Its not that hard to see why he'd go this route.
February 9th, 2024 at 4:47 PM ^
Has a HC ever took an OC gig before???
If memory serves, Rich Rodriguez came on as OC at Ole Miss after having been fired from Arizona. I think he had a season of nothing, then got picked up by Ole Miss, and that lasted one year.
February 9th, 2024 at 2:44 PM ^
It's so enjoyable seeing OSU fans post "2024 National Champs"..... and it's February of 2024. OSU fans are so incredibly butt hurt by Michigan's Natty, it's fantastic to see.
They may be pulling in a hell of a team and staff, but so many things can happen on the field.
February 9th, 2024 at 3:08 PM ^
Isn’t that what makes this the greatest rivalry in all of sports? I hate that this is what it took for us to pull all of these strings, but it happened and I have to live with it for another year.
February 9th, 2024 at 3:42 PM ^
This could be great for OSU or a disaster. High leverage situation. That makes 2024 OSU football must see television.
February 9th, 2024 at 4:34 PM ^
I’m extremely curious to see if buying all these high profile players backfires on osu. It wouldn’t take much for jealousy to creep onto that team and destroy whatever culture they have. A team full of transfers has to piss off some of the guys who have paid their dues in the program. We shall see.
February 9th, 2024 at 4:50 PM ^
Six transfers really isn’t that much, but with all of the starters coming back and not declaring, it would be the bench guys that would get pissed and leave. Might it hurt the future? Sure. But the chips are clearly all in this year for us. And I would imagine that the staff had conversations with the transfers coming in about the culture. I think everyone in the building knows it’s natty (at worst final four) or bust this year.
February 9th, 2024 at 5:05 PM ^
It just absolutely reeks of desperation.
February 9th, 2024 at 9:50 PM ^
Do they really have a choice though?
It is desperation. Which can be very motivating.
They have definitely burned the boats though. Nobody there survives another Michigan loss, given all of this.
If I am Michigan, I just try to keep the game close in Columbus through three quarters. If it is a close game in the 4th quarter, Ohio State will absolutely crack from the enormous do-or-die pressure.
February 9th, 2024 at 5:18 PM ^
They had their best team in the 1990s after Michigan won the '97 NC. Ohio soundly beat Michigan at the Shoe with some guy named Brady at quarterback for Blue. In a playoff they get in and beat Florida State or Tennessee.
February 9th, 2024 at 2:50 PM ^
Unfortunately, this is probably a net positive for OSU.
February 9th, 2024 at 5:22 PM ^
Both of those coaches are very talented and capable. We are kidding ourselves if we do not think Ohio is going to be formidable. They are every year.
February 9th, 2024 at 2:56 PM ^
I think this isn't too directionally different than the Wink hire.
Older guy who at one time created/adjusted a system that turned into something great and subsequently had younger guys come in and adapt it to make it better. Their methods and approach have worn out some and they haven't been as successful as of late.
Could an massive injection of talent be all it takes for their stuff to work again? Maybe. But there are definite concerns to work through in the process.
February 9th, 2024 at 3:11 PM ^
Definitely more talent than he had coming back to UCLA and he wants to be in The NFL again. I think it's a similar rehab project as Wink but it's weird because he was a current head coach at a major program. He was on a very short leash and checked out mentally on the job months ago but he was technically the head coach haha.
I think he was willing to trade the money for a chance to work with a guy he knows, with a ton of talent and if he succeeds he takes the first NFL interest he gets.
February 9th, 2024 at 3:27 PM ^
Yeah I get why Chip left. OSU is in a better situation to succeed and Chip has proven he is no longer HC material in the college game (or anywhere). He would have been fired at the end of this upcoming season anyways.
His scheme is figured out and he hates recruiting so getting OSU-level talent to run his scheme (that might work if he has guys like LaMichael James and De'Anthony Thomas) having to put 0 effort to get those guys might give him a good season to leverage to a NFL OC job.
Wink isn't vastly different. He and the Ravens "parted ways" because Wink wasn't doing as well as he had and he took a demotion to a terrible NYG franchise where he did even worse because they're even less talented. Now he's out of a job again and maybe Michigan's returning talent gives his production a boost and he can leverage that into another NFL DC gig with better talent than the freaking Giants.
February 9th, 2024 at 4:32 PM ^
I'd worry about the checking out mentally part. Once you do that, it's hard to fully check back in, especially at a lower level. Will be interesting to see if he can adjust.
February 9th, 2024 at 2:59 PM ^
Does he know how to coordinate a penguin offense?
February 9th, 2024 at 3:02 PM ^
There are now "rumors" on TwiX that Jed Fisch will leave Washington to take UCLA's HC job.
I highly doubt that.
February 9th, 2024 at 3:11 PM ^
Extremely doubtful.
But he would be a guy who would get them over the bump to the next level in CFB - ie close to the top 12 every year.
February 9th, 2024 at 3:34 PM ^
UCLA wouldn't be willing to out bid Washington for a coach
this is a brutal list: https://247sports.com/college/ucla/longformarticle/ucla-football-chip-kelly-david-shaw-tony-white-tom-herman-226911235/
February 9th, 2024 at 3:03 PM ^
Chip was an excellent OC, but that was a long time ago. Defenses are smaller and quicker now. I don’t think his system and tempo is very effective anymore. They will put up big numbers against bad teams and struggle with the good ones.