Harbaugh and Ohio State: Visualizing the History of the Michigan-Ohio State Rivalry Using Simple Rating System

Submitted by mgoDAB on May 12th, 2020 at 1:27 AM

Hi all. First and foremost, I hope everyone is staying safe and doing their best to get through these difficult times.

Since I’ve had a lot more time on my hands these days (and have been running out of shows to watch), I began compiling some data together of the Michigan-Ohio State rivalry. Given the one-sided nature of the rivalry, the notion that Ohio State is operating at an historically great level, and the criticism that Jim Harbaugh has received, I wanted to take a holistic approach in examining Harbaugh’s tenure relative to the history of the series. Is it true that Ohio State is indeed performing at the peak of the program’s history? Is the criticism of Harbaugh warranted (or at least blown out of proportion)? What other insights can we gather?

To do this, I wanted to go beyond arbitrary measures of success, W/L records, head-to-head results, etc. Rather, I thought it would be more insightful to visualize how good Michigan and Ohio State teams were over time using an advanced rating system such as Bill Connelly’s SP+ or ESPN’s FPI. While I found the aforementioned ratings as well as others not to be easily accessible for use, I found sports-reference.com’s Simple Rating System (SRS) data to be very well consolidated and downloadable. The definition of SRS: “A rating that takes into account average point differential and strength of schedule. The rating is denominated in points above/below average, where zero is average, although it should be noted that margin of victory has been assigned a lower bound of 7 points and an upper bound of 24 points.” For example, Harbaugh’s 2019 squad with an SRS rating of 15.5 is 15.5 points better than the average NCAA team.

To start, I plotted both team’s SRS ratings over time beginning in 1953 when the Western Conference officially became the Big Ten Conference, while also including 5-year moving averages. In addition, I layered over box charts for each of Michigan’s head coaches since Bo Schembechler to help visualize how strong the competition was during a coach’s respective tenure. (As a side note, I’m using a liberal definition for “box chart”, and have provided keys for each of the visualizations. If you have a problem with it, well, you can get off my lawn. The true application of a box chart can be found here.)

Since inheriting a Michigan program that within just a seven-year span fielded its five worst teams since 1967, Harbaugh has yielded a five-year stretch with teams that are roughly in line with Michigan’s long-term historical average. At the conclusion of the 2019 season, Harbaugh sustained a five-year moving average SRS rating of 15.9, which is the highest the program has achieved since 1997 (16.6 rating). In other words, the program is in its best spot in over two decades. Since the beginning of the Lloyd Carr Era, Harbaugh has fielded Michigan’s 2nd (2016 team; 17.6 SRS rating), 5th (2018; 16.5), 6th (2015; 16.3), and 10th (2019; 15.5) best teams over a total of 25 seasons. Since the beginning of the Gary Moeller Era, those respective teams stack up as the 5th, 10th, 11th, and 15th best over a total of 30 seasons.

Not bad, but how does this compare to Ohio State? This is where the box charts come into use.

At the conclusion of the 2019 season, Ohio State boasted a five-year moving average SRS rating of 21.3 (best since 1977 when the five-year average was 23.2), with the 2019 edition of Ohio State (27.4) being the best team in the program’s history since 1973 (29.7). Only Bo Schembechler has faced off against a better Ohio State team. Furthermore, the 17.7 lower bound of the Harbaugh Era (i.e. the worst Ohio State team he’s played) as well as the 21.3 middle bound (i.e. average Ohio State SRS rating he’s played) are significantly higher than that of all his predecessors.

Visualized a little differently, I plotted out the SRS differential of the two teams (+/-) where the blue markers indicate a season in which Michigan fielded a better team than Ohio State, while the scarlet markers indicate the opposite. I also layered in Michigan’s SRS ratings over time as well as additional box charts for each coach’s tenure.

Not including the Rich Rod Era, Jim Harbaugh has dealt with the largest SRS +/- deficit in the history of the series. What’s interesting is that despite Harbaugh assembling significantly better teams on average than Hoke, the gap between Michigan and Ohio State hasn’t closed at all (though Hoke’s numbers are buoyed by Luke Fickell’s 2011 edition of Ohio State). Harbaugh joins Rich Rod as the only two coaches to not have a single team rated higher than Ohio State during their respective tenures. Furthermore, Ohio State’s stretch of dominance in fielding better teams for eight straight years between 2012 and 2019 is only superseded by Michigan’s 1985-1994 string when it fielded 10 straight better teams (7-2-1 record during that span).

Taken a step further, I filtered the Ohio State teams into three categories of elite (SRS rating greater than 21), good/very good (SRS rating between 21 and 14), and below average (at least by Ohio State standards, with an SRS rating below 14). I understand this is a very arbitrary categorization, but teams with >21 ratings are relatively scarce and the majority of teams hover in the 14-21 range. It’s also helpful to use round football numbers with a touchdown multiple of 7.

As a percentage of Ohio State teams that each coach has faced, Harbaugh has gone up against the highest share of elite teams of any coach. Furthermore, 100% of the Ohio State teams Harbaugh has faced have fallen into the elite or good/very good categories, with Bo Schembechler having to compete with the next highest share of elite to good/very good teams at 71.4%.

So this is all to say that no matter how you slice and dice the numbers, Harbaugh has had to go up against the strongest Ohio State regime of any coach and it’s not particularly close. To further justify this you can go to 247’s team recruiting rankings, or you can stare directly into the sun if you wish. So maybe we can all take into context Harbaugh’s 0-5 record versus Ohio State and come to grips that unfortunately the man many coined as the savior of Michigan Football hasn’t been able to conquer the Death Star that is a blueblood program at its historical peak. Well, yes and no…let’s look at more data.

Since Harbaugh’s hire, if you’ve only watched the Pete Finebaum Show, or have only read the MGoBoard for that matter, you’d be lead to believe he’s failed miserably. Haters will say it’s fake, but in reality Michigan has been a Top 10 program during Harbaugh’s tenure, ranking 6th in five-year average SRS rating. (As a side note, comparable advanced rating systems yield similar results. For instance, Michigan ranks 7th over the same span per Bill Connelly’s SP+.) Ohio State is 3rd. Big Ten rivals Wisconsin and Penn State are just behind at 7th and 8th, and Notre Dame checks in at 10th. What really stands out in the chart is how far above Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State are above the rest of the pack. The difference between Ohio State at 3rd and Oklahoma at 4th is 4.2 (!), while the difference between Oklahoma at 4th and Notre Dame at 10th is only 2.6 (!).

Next, I plotted each team’s SRS rating over time.

Michigan has been remarkably consistent and among the nation’s best during Harbaugh’s coaching campaign. This chart is a little cluttered, so it’s not immediately obvious…but every single program has had at least one team with a higher rating than even Harbaugh’s best team (2016; 17.6 rating); including Ohio State (5), Wisconsin (2), Penn State (1), and Notre Dame (1). Furthermore, if we keep the same definition of elite as before (i.e. SRS rating of >21), every program has add least one elite team except for Oklahoma, Michigan, and Notre Dame. Harbaugh has yet to break the glass ceiling.

The programs of Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State are in a league of their own with a five-year average SRS rating of elite status. And to reiterate, the difference between Ohio State at 3rd and Oklahoma at 4th is 4.2, while the difference between Oklahoma at 4th and Notre Dame at 10th is only 2.6.

So I find this both reassuring and depressing. On one side, Jim Harbaugh has Michigan among the best across the college football landscape. But on the other side, Michigan is a clear tier below the nation’s elite – a group that includes archrival Ohio State – and Harbaugh has yet to field his own exceptional team. I should be content, or even happy, that the program is in such a great position. Yet I’m not (nor is the rest of the fan base) because of the all too familiar anguish that is the last Saturday of November.

Let’s plot that anguish.

To do so, I want to compare how Michigan was expected to perform in The Game versus how the team actually performed. Given SRS is scored as how many points above/below average a team is, I can project an expected point differential for a game by subtracting Ohio State’s SRS rating from Michigan’s SRS rating and making an adjustment for home field advantage. I can then measure how far a team deviated from expectations by subtracting the expected point differential from the actual point differential.

E[Point Differential] = (Michigan SRS) – (Ohio State SRS) +/- (3 point home field advantage)

Error of E[Point Differential] = (Actual Point Differential) – (E[Point Differential])

It’s not a perfect science, but if I do a regression analysis there’s a pretty strong correlation between expected and actual point differentials. A home field advantage of 3 points resulted in the tightest correlation. Also note that the lines here are being calculated retroactively, and by that I mean that the actual results of The Game and any postseason games would be factored into each team’s SRS rating (and thus the expected point differential calculation). I ain’t a betting man, so I don’t really know off the top of my head all of the lines that were set for the recent Michigan-Ohio State games. But as an example, the E[Point Differential] calculations of Ohio State -8.9 in 2019 and Ohio State -4.3 in 2016, I believe, are roughly in line with where bets were taking place at the time.

The following chart depicts the results from calculating the Error of E[Point Differential], with the blue markers indicating games in which Michigan exceeded expectations and with the scarlet markers indicating games when Michigan underachieved. I layered over additional box charts for each coach’s respective tenure.

Jim Harbaugh immediately stands out. The three worst beat downs, relatively speaking, since the beginning of the Bo Schembechler Era have come in the last five years with Jim Harbaugh at the helm. Three separate times Harbaugh has underperformed to the tune of roughly three touchdowns. And while almost every predecessor got handed a relative beating of two touchdowns, Harbaugh has averaged an underperformance of two touchdowns.

The only time Harbaugh has overachieved was the infamous 2016 game.

The only time the rivalry has seen beat downs of similar magnitude were 1976 and 1993 when Michigan was on the right side of history.

Harbaugh’s resume when it comes to The Game is historically terrible. So do you believe in regression to the mean (or in other words, that the Error of E[Point Differential] should result in amounts closer to 0 in the future)? Or is there something systematic in Harbaugh’s approach that causes such significant underperformance in The Game?

To summarize:

  • The data makes a strong case that Ohio State is indeed at the peak of the program’s history. In 2019, Ohio State had its best team since 1973 and sustained its best five-year moving average SRS rating since 1977. In the last five years, Ohio State as well as Alabama and Clemson have been in a tier above the rest of college football.
  • Jim Harbaugh seems to be in the right place at the wrong time. Michigan is in the best spot it has been in a long time, but Ohio State has operated at a level that no Michigan coach has experienced before.
  • There’s not much doubt that Michigan under Harbaugh has been one of the nation’s best programs. But his lack of success (to put it lightly) in The Game has distorted perception. He’s also yet to have broken the glass ceiling and have a truly great team, and you can chalk that up to not having an elite QB or DTs, Ohio State simply having our number, the football gods hating us, or whatever you want.

Looking towards the future:

  • Simply put, Michigan has not yet been able to escape purgatory. Just on the cusp of glory only to be subdued by our archrival. As fans we’re only left to question. What if past events transpired differently? Does unearthing the foundation that Harbaugh has set get us to the promised land, or does it just kick the can farther down the Road to Success?
  • There are reasons to have faith that Michigan can turn the corner, reasons that are both within the program’s control and out of the program’s control (to an extent).
    • Identity. I was rereading umgoblue11’s diary post Myths and Half-Truths: An In-Depth Look at Michigan’s Recruiting Process from someone in the Industry, and one of the primary themes was Michigan’s lack of identity. When Harbaugh first got to Michigan, he built the team in his image, with a fullback and tight end. It was Enthusiasm Unknown to Mankind. It was [Try Hard and You Will Stay and] Those Who Stay Will Be Champions. It was Jordan brand. It was show business with Signing with the Stars. It was spotlight with celebrities like Michael Jordan and Tom Brady being honorary captains. It was calling out the jive turkeys on Twitter. It was in your face and in your head all the time and take no prisoners. What is it now? Or what should/will it be? Hopefully Michigan can find something.
    • QB Room and Modernization of the Offense. Shea Patterson was expected to be great, but he was only good. Still, Michigan’s QB room is as healthy as it has been in a long time. QB depth was the reason Brian thought 2019 could have been The Year. At Big Ten Media Days last year, Harbaugh went as far as saying about Shea and Dylan, “…I see them both playing. Where it stands now, I see maybe redefining what a starter is.” We can all speculate how much golf was actually played that summer or what would have happened if Dylan had not suffered a terrible concussion in the Wisconsin game, but alas. The jury is still out when it comes to Dylan McCaffery, Joe Milton, Cade McNamara, and (in the distant future) JJ McCarthy. The probability that a QB from that group turns out to be very good to elite is much higher than Harbaugh’s past years. And that comes in turn with the modernization of the offense. It probably shouldn’t have taken Year 5 of the Harbaugh Era to switch to a modern offense given the current landscape of college football, but the important thing is that it’s in process and Gattis’ first season showed a lot of positives after a rough start. Can’t wait to see what Year 2 of Speed in Space brings.
    • Gaining Competitive Advantage. People won’t forget how Harbaugh pushed the envelope in gaining a competitive advantage in any way that he could. Satellite camps, spring practice abroad, hires such as Chris Partridge, etc. Harbaugh has to find other ways to gain that competitive advantage, and maybe that is being the catalyst for progression in student athlete welfare and NIL rights.
    • Playoff Expansion and Conference Realignment. These could go a long way in increasing Michigan’s margin for error when attempting to make the playoffs, and being represented in the postseason as one of college football’s best X teams with a chance to win it all could only help the program. My money is on things changing at some point.

If you read this entire diary post, thank you. I hope this helped fill the sports void in your life at least a little bit.

Go Blue!

Comments

Other Andrew

May 12th, 2020 at 3:51 AM ^

Good work here. Thanks for doing it.

One thing that stands out to me is where Michigan's 1997 team sits in relation to these recent OSU teams - far below. I am sure part of that is because of the margin of victory factor (defensive, ball-control team vs the modern era). But the strength of schedule should have been very strong. 

That, to me, helps illustrate what we're up against every year in The Game now. At some point the team will break through and get the next win. But it may take quite a while.

AC1997

May 12th, 2020 at 12:02 PM ^

It would be interesting to know what Carr's legacy looks like if in 1997 there was the BCS or Playoff and we didn't win the title.  It would still be great, but 1997 helped people forget that he had a lot of supposed "underachieving" teams.  He did really well against OSU in the first half of his career, but most of those were surprising upsets of a higher ranked OSU team.  

funkifyfl

May 12th, 2020 at 9:02 AM ^

Nice to have data to backup what most of us already know and accept--JH has been very good for this program, but is still stuck in the second tier of programs nationally. While this may be enough for many of us, for others it isn't. Some of this is tied to his pay, and some of this is tied to expectations and hopes for the program. I think the question most of us have is how far ahead is OSU and can that gap be bridged and if so, how. N.B. I don't think the gap needs to be zero, but rather close enough that we can get the win probability closer to 50-50. And to be fair, you answer this at the end to an extent, it's just the part of the discussion I'm most interested in.

While I would argue that Michigan cheats less than the other top 10 programs, I don't think people buy that nationally. Hopefully, the system changes drastically with NIL and amateurism for real (certainly part of JH's motivation for his open letter, even though he comes across to me as genuine and well-intentioned).

If the NCAA model doesn't change enough to level the playing field, JH needs to get even more innovative with strategy, since I think he's already at the top of the game with program innovation (satellite camps, team trips, etc.).

MGoStrength

May 13th, 2020 at 7:46 AM ^

 I think the question most of us have is how far ahead is OSU and can that gap be bridged and if so, how. N.B. I don't think the gap needs to be zero, but rather close enough that we can get the win probability closer to 50-50.

I don't think he can.  OSU is at a level never seen before and unfortunately they have more resources.  I think an elite recruiter like Meyer, Saban, etc. could get UM there, but JH can't.  He is where he will be.  

If the NCAA model doesn't change enough to level the playing field, JH needs to get even more innovative with strategy, since I think he's already at the top of the game with program innovation (satellite camps, team trips, etc.).

The old system...division less conferences, no conference championship games, and no playoffs were better for UM.  It didn't require they beat as many top teams to win it all.  Now everything goes through OSU, Bama, & Clemson whom we simply don't have the talent to compete with.  The only way I see UM getting back into the picture is by opening up player compensation and UM being on the cusp of innovation with it and getting more top national recruits outside of region.  Bama, Clemson, LSU, UGA, OSU, etc. will still get theirs, but maybe we can start stealing some of those guys that are going to Ole Miss, Tennessee, Miami, etc.  

I think now that JH finally has a modern offense it will help recruiting moving forward, but we need to show the product on the field first.  We showed it at times last year, but a good year in 2020 and some good QB play would go a long way.  Hopefully if Gattis blows up and doesn't stick around long JH has a back up plan in place to maintain the offensive system.

MGoStrength

May 13th, 2020 at 7:22 PM ^

For me it's really just Oklahoma, OSU, Clemson, & Bama.  Those are the only schools consistently getting into the playoffs.  The drop off after that is significant.  Even to a team like UGA who recurits like gangbusters and have made the playoffs, they are significantly second fiddle to Bama in the SEC.  And, even a school like Oregon who has won the SEC and been in the playoffs are still well behind those 4.  So yeah, I'd say there are 4 elites right now.

mgoDAB

May 13th, 2020 at 9:43 PM ^

Even in the case of Oklahoma...sure they've consistently made the CFP. But if you lift the hood when it comes to those appearances:

  • 2015: Loss, 17 Oklahoma 37 Clemson
  • 2017: Loss, 48 Oklahoma 54 Georgia
  • 2018: Loss, 34 Oklahoma 45 Alabama
  • 2019: Loss, 28 Oklahoma 63 LSU

Four losses with three by multiple possessions. Two blowouts (and in 2018 Oklahoma went down 28-0 to Alabama before making the scoreboard less ugly).

Oklahoma has been able to make the CFP on a regular basis because the B12 as a whole has been a very pedestrian conference. Who has consistently challenged them? Based on the five-year average SRS ratings:

  • #18 Oklahoma State at 9.4
  • #26 TCU at 7.6
  • #29 Texas at 6.9

The red carpet has been rolled out for them to make the playoffs, but the data really supports that there are truly only three teams that have been elite (Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State).

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

May 17th, 2020 at 8:36 AM ^

This chart quantifies and validates my intuition, and I suspect a lot of people’s intuition based on the comments, about the recent pecking order of CFB programs. UM is consistently very good but not elite. That wound hurts even more with the salt of OSU’s elite status.

There is another dynamic that becomes structurally reinforcing over time: Recruiting is consolidating the difference-makers into the top handful of teams with consistent potential for the playoffs. HS stars are so interconnected by 7v7, camps and social media that they funnel into a few schools for “pre NFL” experience (or “football factory”). Unfortunately, OSU is that program for the B1G for many reasons. Conversely, UM will likely never be that program because the admin and JH want a “college experience” and a group of players who legitimately participate in student life. 

ERdocLSA2004

May 17th, 2020 at 1:22 PM ^

Agree.  Am I reading the definition of the SRS correctly that simply having OSU on our schedule improves our rating?  I’d be interested to see how the preseason ranking of big ten teams changed by the end.  Is the big ten better or worse than it was before Harbaugh.

I think the frustrating thing is the last two OSU games as you mentioned.  If those 2 beat downs occurred in Harbaughs first two years, you could appreciate us closing the gap.  The fact that they are the most recent representations of his tenure really stings.  OSU recruiting is tough to overcome but I think we have all seen our staff get outcoached recently too.  If you told me the product we see on the field is the absolute best any coach could accomplish with the current staff and players, I’d be more content.  Unfortunately I don’t think anyone believes that this is true.

mgoDAB

May 17th, 2020 at 4:06 PM ^

Am I reading the definition of the SRS correctly that simply having OSU on our schedule improves our rating?

Not necessarily. The ratings change based on actual performance relative to expectations. Given Michigan massively underperformed in The Game in 2015, 2018, and 2019 per my chart, this would have been dilutive to its SRS rating. In contrast, as Michigan performed above expectations in 2016, the rating would improve.

Is the big ten better or worse than it was before Harbaugh.

Let's look to the data. Here are the Big Ten SRS ratings since Rich Rod's first season in 2008.

You can see the Big Ten average SRS rating, with and without Ohio State/Michigan, have been on an upward trajectory since Harbaugh's hire. Following the Big Ten Average (Absent Mich and OSU) line, since Harbaugh's first season in 2015 the conference has had four of the highest ratings since 2008 (despite having Maryland and Rutgers weighing it down).

(These charts are easier to read via mobile.)

FrankTigers2

May 15th, 2020 at 9:45 AM ^

“ I think he's already at the top of the game with program innovation (satellite camps, team trips, etc.”

program Innovation IS NOT satellite camps and team trips.  
 

innovation is:

1  better training techniques

2  more imaginative coaching

3  better motivation (screaming a question about who has it better than us is not motivation)

Michigan has smart people.  Can’t someone work with the team on sports performance?   Does Michigan have a Mickey Marriotti?

 

Soulfire21

May 12th, 2020 at 9:38 AM ^

I know it's not a novel thought, but there was a pretty clear "clicking" of the offense that happened during the Penn State game. If we can squeeze out QB play above "good" and the team is more comfortable in the offense in Year 2, I think we can surprise. It's just unfortunate we have to travel to Columbus - but hey, 2016 showed we can (almost) do it.

MGoStrength

May 13th, 2020 at 7:49 AM ^

If we can squeeze out QB play above "good" and the team is more comfortable in the offense in Year 2, I think we can surprise

I do too, but unfortunately there are a lot of question marks that need to be answered before we're ready to compete with elite teams.  The QB is easily the most important of them, but you can't overlook having 4 new starters on the o-line and the DT issue.  We need a number of as of it unproven players to step up in the trenches in addition to the QB in order to surprise anyone ranked ahead of us.  And, you can pretty much guarantee there will be some key injury somewhere as there is almost every year, so will we have the depth to deal with it?

Seth

May 12th, 2020 at 11:13 AM ^

Great work. I wish SRS wasn't such an awful metric that I find it basically useless. I've tried to communicate with those guys before about some of the easily fixable issues and guesses they made and got back an "lol Fuck Michigan." So...

mgoDAB

May 12th, 2020 at 11:34 AM ^

Thanks, Seth. Well that makes me sad that you don't find SRS to be the best metric to use. But I don't think that this analysis is in vain; I think there are a lot of great insights.

Curious as to what issues with SRS you have brought up with them to fix? I can understand that it’s not perfect.

As an aside, I messaged Bill Connelly asking if there were any plans to organize his SP+ data into an easily accessible website (like a Kenpom or Torvik for CBB), but haven't heard back lol. He had something like this back when he was at SB Nation but not since he's been at ESPN.

Thanks for reading. 

AC1997

May 12th, 2020 at 12:07 PM ^

Sadly, this just further illustrates some of the cosmically unlucky things happening with our program the past few years.  While there are areas that the program needs to step up and improve both on and off the field, this sort of illustrates the challenge and impact of perception. 

  • If OSU were merely mortal or hovering around their historical average, how does Harbaugh's tenure look?  
  • If we had lost a series of close games to OSU instead of a couple of blowouts, does that change perception?
  • If 2016 had fallen our way with the spot?
  • If the transition after Lloyd hadn't sent us on a death spiral for 7 years before Harbaugh would we be better off?

I do find the conversation about Harbaugh's identity for the program interesting.  I like that he's adapting on the field with scheme.  What confuses me is the change in recruiting, being vocal, being animated on the sidelines, being creative with satellite camps or recruiting visits, etc.  Did he get tired of being shot down by the B10 and NCAA?  Did he mellow after having another kid?  Has he lost his fastball?  Or has nothing really changed behind the scenes and just our perception?

blueheron

May 12th, 2020 at 1:18 PM ^

Three questions:

Did he get tired of being shot down by the B10 and NCAA?  Did he mellow after having another kid?  Has he lost his fastball?

I'd guess that all those things are true to some degree.

I think Harbaugh is basically a good person but an odd duck. He's not going to click with as many recruits as someone like Urban Meyer, who I think is some degree of a sociopath but someone who is able to get by with the virtual machine he loads before recruit visits.

I wonder if Stanford was Harbaugh's ideal college job.

Also, OP wrote:

To further justify this you can go to 247’s team recruiting rankings, or you can stare directly into the sun if you wish.

+1

MGoStrength

May 13th, 2020 at 7:59 AM ^

Unfortunately the hit rate of even blue chip QBs is only around 25%.  I think JH did a good job with Rudock and year one of Speight.  2017 was a complete wash at QB due to shitty circumstances.  It would have been nice to have Peters ready sooner, maybe we would have pulled out the MSU game, but once he got injured at Wiscy it didn't really matter.  And, Patterson simply is what he is.  He never improved over his 4 years in college.  His best years were '17 Ole Miss and '18 UM and he regressed back in '19.  I honestly don't blame coaching for that, that's just Shea. 

The more frustrating side of things is how lucky OSU has been to get Haskins and Fields in back-to-back seasons.  But, Fields is also the #3 QB recruit in 247s history only behind Vince Young & Trevor Lawrence.  But, as a point of reference Brock Berlin was #4 and he didn't do jack at Miami in the early 2000s so there ya go.  Eventually you'd have to think the odds will be that they will suffer through some less than stellar QB play at some point too, even with elite recruiting.

kurpit

May 14th, 2020 at 2:13 AM ^

Crazy that Oklahoma, Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State always find great quarterbacks, right? You ever consider that these programs are developing quarterbacks faster and better than Michigan is? For some reason Michigan fans still have this ancient mentality that quarterbacks need to sit for 2 years before they have a chance to play. In the meantime the real playoff contending programs are plugging in quarterbacks in their first year on campus and making them Heisman contenders. Must be luck though.

MGoStrength

May 14th, 2020 at 5:32 PM ^

You ever consider that these programs are developing quarterbacks faster and better than Michigan is?

Consider it?  Sure.  But, do you really think Dabo/Elliott/Streeter, Sabin and the many o-coordinators he's had, and Meyer/Day are that much better QB coaches than JH/Gattis/McDaniels?  Because I don't.  I do think their offensive systems might be easier to play in with less reads and easier throws than JH's old pro-style system.  But, are they better at developing the QB?  I personally don't think so, but how would know?  How does one tease out the difference between if results are due to coaching differences or simply players being better/worse?

For some reason Michigan fans still have this ancient mentality that quarterbacks need to sit for 2 years before they have a chance to play.

That's probably more true in a pro style offense.  Today's offenses are more similar to what HS kids are used to in 7v7.

In the meantime the real playoff contending programs are plugging in quarterbacks in their first year on campus and making them Heisman contenders.

In all fairness most of then (Lawrence, Hurts, Bryant, & Tua) all came in for relief late in the season when their predecessors either got injured or struggled.  None of them just came in and started as true freshman.  Haskins was in year 3 and Fields was in year 2.  And, Haskins in year 2 was much better than Barrett in year 4, but Barrett continued to play.  Hurts eventually got benched himself.  And, Bama didn't exactly play young guys all the time.  Coker, Simms, McCarron didn't play early.

Must be luck though.

I'm not saying it's all luck, but the numbers don't lie.  The majority of 4 and 5 star QBs don't do jack shit in college.  

ERdocLSA2004

May 17th, 2020 at 2:54 PM ^

But, do you really think Dabo/Elliott/Streeter, Sabin and the many o-coordinators he's had, and Meyer/Day are that much better QB coaches than JH/Gattis/McDaniels?

Yes.  I mean the data says they are.  The overall lack of improvement even with experience of our QBs also says this is true.  Rudock remains the lone outlier.  Again, we don’t need a star qb but we do need a staff that can get the most out of their player.  Shea has more experience than Fields yet Fields could read a defense, had better pocket presence/awareness and better ability to find the open receiver than Shea.  If Shea hit his ceiling because he wasn’t tall enough, fast enough, or couldn’t throw the ball as hard then fine.  Unfortunately, his deficiencies were much more fundamental.

hailhail

May 12th, 2020 at 12:22 PM ^

This is some awesome stuff. Thanks for putting in the time to create it.

This seems to confirm that it's a them and not us problem. That is, Michigan / Harbaugh are doing the right things, but OSU has somehow found the magic sauce to join and maintain the elite of college football along with Clemson and Alabama.

The solution? I think it needs to be a systematic one that addresses college football's bigger parity issue. College football as a whole is less fun when a few programs dominate at this level for this long.

OfficerRabbit

May 12th, 2020 at 8:16 PM ^

If I may, OSU "somehow found the magic sauce" when they hired Urban Meyer as HC. I see Tressel and (so far) Harbaugh as being on a very similar level.. good to great, but not elite.  

Tressel won much more than he lost, but also got his doors blown off when he faced elite competition, much the same way Harbaugh has. I see a very divided fan base, but can also see and agree with each side's perspective. UM could easily move into "elite" with a few key wins, better recruiters, and an identity. But you could also stay right where you are, and perpetually hit your head on Harbaugh's glass ceiling... 9-11 wins a year, no championships. Or blow it up, go after a PJ Fleck, and hope he can get you over the hump to be elite.

Where UM goes from here is anyone's guess, and seems to be a very hot topic on this blog... time will tell.

mgoDAB

May 12th, 2020 at 9:27 PM ^

Thanks for sharing your perspective. The question that you pose again is the one that Michigan fans ever ponder given we've been starved of championships for so long. And the only way to win championships is to beat Ohio State...it's the current barrier facing the program. Do you stay the course with Harbaugh, or do you start again from ground zero with a new coach? When you look at the current state of the rivalry and the state of the two programs relative to the rest of college football, it's very enlightening. But if you assume Harbaugh coaches into perpetuity at Michigan, you should see the error of the expected point differential in the rivalry to regress back to zero. Or do you truly believe that there is something systematic that causes Michigan to underachieve in The Game? As it stands now, the program is in the best spot it has been in a long time and there are a lot of things that can change that would allow Harbaugh to break that glass ceiling. Only time will tell!

MGoStrength

May 13th, 2020 at 8:05 AM ^

Do you stay the course with Harbaugh, or do you start again from ground zero with a new coach?

As long as JH is winning 9 games per year, splitting with PSU, and getting top 15 recruiting classes consistently I don't think you fire him over losing to OSU.

But if you assume Harbaugh coaches into perpetuity at Michigan, you should see the error of the expected point differential in the rivalry to regress back to zero.

Agree, eventually OSU will see some struggles in the way other programs have.

Or do you truly believe that there is something systematic that causes Michigan to underachieve in The Game?

I do think the offensive system was a problem and will get fixed.  I also think the defense, specifically due to Day's familiarity with Brown is a problem.  And, I think there is a cultural problem.  Meyer installed a system that is highly effective for beating UM.  I don't think UM spends the same amount of resources preparing for OSU year round that OSU does for UM.  And, until that Meyer coaching tree is gone that will continue.  So, there are some problems there.  The latter JH can but probably won't change.  And, the defensive system is a big question.  Can Brown evolve, change, etc.?  I think not personally, but who knows.  At the same time he won't be around forever.

WolverBean

May 13th, 2020 at 12:02 PM ^

"I don't think UM spends the same amount of resources preparing for OSU year round that OSU does for UM."

Some steps that seem at least partly targeted at OSU have also just plain not worked out. Don Brown's system was exactly the cure for the offense OSU was running in ca 2015-2016. The problem is that just as Michigan got Brown's defense implemented, OSU got Haskins and Fields and evolved their offense. Whether that's an insanely devoted OSU purposefully staying one step ahead of Michigan, or just dumb luck, is hard to say. But it does say to me that hiring a new defensive coordinator to specifically target Ryan Day's (current) offense is not necessarily a good plan; by the time you get your transition costs out of the way, they may have evolved again.

But I do think we can say for sure UM doesn't spend as many hours preparing for OSU as vice versa based entirely on how many hours we know they spent preparing for Air Force and Army (shudder).

crom80

May 12th, 2020 at 12:35 PM ^

so much work and effort. great job.

i certainly do not have the capacity to understand any of this with any value.

but i think a majority of the grumbling from the fanbase can be explained in your 'five-year average SRS rating' table. although UM has a high average it doesn't have a single 'green' year whereas other teams have that one year where it seemed everything was in their favor.

i fall in that category. it's great the team's floor has been significantly risen, just not so happy with the inability to crack the ceiling. however, i trust trends, and based on the trends i also believe it is sooner than later with JH that it will happen. the major roadblock happens to be OSU who is having such a dominant presence in the conference and that is really out of JH's hands.

AC1997

May 12th, 2020 at 1:56 PM ^

Very true.  I am encouraged that the offense is trying to move to a modern system that allows the QB to be more successful (which is what OSU has done with theirs) but we haven't had an NFL quality QB since Henne.  (With all due respect to DRob, Gardner, and Rudock).  

MGoStrength

May 12th, 2020 at 2:08 PM ^

The problem with the future is that OSU's trajectory continues to rise and alas, so long as they are in our division it doesn't really matter what we do, because we can't seem to match them.  Until we beat OSU no UM fan will ever be happy.  JH's problem has always been mostly just an OSU problem with just a little bad luck and shitty QB play sprinkled in.

DualThreat

May 12th, 2020 at 2:48 PM ^

Good stuff.  Thanks for putting this together!

My 3 observations:

1 - On the positive side, one has to believe that Ohio State's historic dominance has to come to an end eventually.  Florida, Florida State, USC, etc, have all had periods of multiple years where they've been dominant programs, only to fall back to Earth.  Today, Alabama and Clemson share that podium, with OSU right behind.  Nothing lasts forever, so eventually you'd expect a return to Earth for them as well.

2 - Another somewhat bright note - Looking at this data we, as U of M fans, have actually been lucky that OSU has only gotten 1 national title since 2002.  With the level of dominance they've had, I'm glad at least they've only achieved CFB Nirvana once in almost the past 2 decades.

3 - On a sour note, I do have one fear that Harbaugh's name has lost it's luster and our recruiting will just not be as good as it was during his first few seasons.  I sort of felt like during Harbaugh's first few seasons he was the "rave" of college football and his name and newness at Michigan attracted a few recruits we normally wouldn't have gotten.  Rashan Gary for one.  Now that Harbaugh himself hasn't won a championship of any sort, I feel his recruiting and thus, Michgan's best teams with him at the helm may be behind us.

MadMatt

May 12th, 2020 at 5:58 PM ^

The key to me is the two lost seasons offensively speaking with Pep Hamilton as the OC. We all loved the Harbaughfense with Jed Fisch running it. It was smash-mourh power offense, but with all the creativity we expected from watching Harbaugh's teamsateams Stanford. True, we hadn't found our generational QB to run the thing at full speed, but evenafter getting rooked in Columbus in 2016, things seemed to be trending favorably.

The the next two seasons the offensive identity just disappeared. No creativity, errors galore, uninspired QB play. Gattis had to come in and start all over, losing another season to another transition. It also didn't help that starting in 2017, the defensive coaching consistently came up small in big games, and except for Harbaugh's worst overall team in 2018, microscopically small against OSU.

But now we have to live with the perceptions that parlay of bad luck an ill-timed incompetence has left behind. Sigh, I continue to believe that regression to the mean will someday, FINALLY, become our friend. In the meantime, we can take hope in the fact that the entire CFB watching nation is so sick and tired of the SEC/Clemson/Borg collective that we'll become the chic, new thing if we can ever get past the Schmuckeyes.

mgoDAB

May 12th, 2020 at 7:14 PM ^

I didn't point this out in the original post, but you can see for the longest tenured coaches Bo Schembechler and Lloyd Carr the average error of expected point differential in The Game was nearly 0. Statistically, it makes sense...larger sample size. Regression to the mean is one of the strongest forces there are, and luck should bounce back in our favor. (Unless it doesn't!)

WesternWolverine96

May 12th, 2020 at 8:50 PM ^

Damn, it all makes sense. The data stacks up with how it feels.  Not just for Michigan, but for college FB as a whole.

I still say if we had a QB, there were a couple of "Games" we could have won in the Harbaugh era.  (injuries and bad officiating in some years have been a factor too).

But a lot of this comes down to the QB position.  We just haven't had a great one in a long time.  I really thought that Peter's was going to be the guy.

But I am hopeful for the McCaffrey era.  I have a non data driven opinion that he will be our best distributor since Henne and also be our highest drafted QB in decades.  Hopefully he dominates for 2 seasons with a chance to really impact recruiting.

Let's see the state of OSU a few years removed from Meyer.  This thing can flip the other direction. It's too early to crown Day as the next Urban Liar. Plus the second year of Gattis could also be step jump for our offense.  

I just can't imagine the next 15 seasons being as bad as the last 15.

So I guess to sum it up, I am saying fuck it, I can't wait for next season.

Nice diary.

MGoStrength

May 13th, 2020 at 8:10 AM ^

Let's see the state of OSU a few years removed from Meyer.  This thing can flip the other direction. It's too early to crown Day as the next Urban Liar. 

Unfortunately, I disagree.  What made Meyer great was his coaching and recruiting system, not his Xs & Os.  And, he's given Day his system.  With Meyer's system in place and Day's Xs & Os I think he is taking it to a new level they didn't even see under Meyer.  I think our biggest hope is that Day wants to be an NFL coach and that Meyer eventually gets out of working at OSU completely.  As long as Meyer is employed there and Meyer disciple is the football coach, it's a problem for UM.

chunkums

May 14th, 2020 at 11:05 AM ^

The history of college football is filled with first-year head coaches who massively overachieved with the previous staff's players and fundamental coaching. I have no doubt that Ohio State will continue to be outstanding thanks to the foundation laid by Meyer and the playcalling from Day and Wilson, but you simply cannot convince me that Ryan Day will be as good of a coach as one of the greatest college football coaches who ever lived. If head coaching was as simple as recruiting and calling the right plays, coaches like Ron Zook would have dominated the sport.  

MGoStrength

May 14th, 2020 at 6:05 PM ^

Do you mean player development and leadership by coaching? 

I mean how he manages the organization of a CFB team.  How he sets up practices, meetings, game planning, recruiting, development, etc.  I don't think it was his scheme per that made him a great coach, it was how he managed his program.

Mongo

May 13th, 2020 at 2:28 PM ^

Great post.  Key take aways:

  • The fall off from RR-Hoke was devastating / The rise of OSU is directly related thereto
  • The CFP at only 4 teams only cements these elite team's strangle-hold on recruits

We need structural change to college football.  Having the same 4-5 teams in the playoffs each year is very boring and not what college athletics is all about.  We need someone to change it up to create more parity and exciting outcomes.  

First step is to expand the playoffs.  8 is a start, but 16 would be best.

Second step is to change recruiting.  Clean it up.  NCCA needs a completely independent enforcement division.  Like the Government has the Justice Department. 

Tex_Ind_Blue

May 14th, 2020 at 9:49 AM ^

That adds some nuance to the table rather than simply saying Michigan has the 7th highest average SRS in such and such span. They can be fourth or second, but if the teams above them are significantly better, that means things are not as great as it seems. It hurts, but data don't lie. sigh. 

smwilliams

May 13th, 2020 at 8:22 PM ^

I didn't look at an advance metric like SRS, but it matches up with sheer Win % and things like conference titles and CFP appearances.

Michigan is a Top 10 program, but when you have Bama, Clemson, OSU, and Oklahoma sucking up 15 of the 20 available CFP appearances during his tenure, it's clear those 4 programs are operating at a level above.

Even if they do have a LSU '19 or Notre Dame '18 type of year where everything falls into place and they get lucky, there's no guarantee it'll happen again the following year or the year after that.

It sucks, but it's the reality of the current landscape. 3 programs get all the best players and the 4th plays in a pretty middling conference.

716 Dewey

May 14th, 2020 at 4:48 AM ^

This is a really well thought out analysis.  Thanks for your effort.  This really shows that UM is performing and has a very strong base.  Unfortunately not as strong as those that dominate in playoff appearances.  

I remember reading years ago in one of Bo's books that his recruiting pitch centered around the fact that if a kid wanted to be playing on New Year's Day then he better come to UM - and by and large this worked, even though he had only a slight edge in the battle w/OSU.  

The problem now is that with a four team playoff the rich got richer.  I don't see any of that changing until the playoffs expand.  Kids want a reasonable chance to get into the playoffs, we've seen this through the trend of top players skipping bowl games.  

I hope that NIL rights and Harbaugh's player advocacy efforts help but until we get a legitimate shot the make the playoffs each year we will likely be playing second fiddle...