Wisconsin Postgame Presser: Jim Harbaugh
[Hi, everybody. I dusted* off the headphones and transcribed this because we figured you'd be pretty interested in reading what was said chronologically with all the proper context a little more than FBO. There's still going to be FBO, but it'll run tomorrow. Also, our own David Nasternak went all the way to Madison to obtain this audio plus I've done this a few hundred times, and it wouldn't be nice to make David go all that way for nothing. You know the feeling.]
[*That's not even true. I used my headphones a couple days ago to transcribe an interview for an in-progress profile, but that doesn't give the first sentence the same zip.]
Jim, Nick [Eubanks] was just in there saying the offense does not have an identity yet and it’s going to take time to get—his word—fluent in this offense. Where do you think this offense is right now? And obviously you didn’t have the ball that much.
“Yeah, I thought that Wisconsin had a great gameplan. Executed it extremely well. Outplayed us offensively and defensively. Things they did really well we were unable to do in terms of establishing a running game, having the play action come off of that. They blocked better, they tackled better, they had a better plan and executed it extremely well today.”
How do you explain that? Both teams were off last week. Having the extra time to prepare, why didn’t Michigan look as prepared?
“Um, yeah, we were outplayed…outprepared and outcoached. The whole thing. I mean…both offensively and defensively, that was thorough. We knew it about their team. They’ve got the ability. They’re good enough and if they play good enough they’re good enough to beat you thoroughly, and that’s what happened today.”
Josh [Metellus] mentioned that they had some different schemes than they did last year running with Taylor. In terms of the line play, what did you see as the difference? You guys weren’t able to be as successful as you wanted on the line.
“Again, I think…I mean, their ability to block and tackle was really good today. And there were holes inside and we shut those holes off inside. He had the ability to bounce them to the outside and controlled the game with the running game—easy to see that—and make the big plays as well. It was impressive.”
Jim, you mentioned establishing the run game. You guys were not able to do that. Was that by necessity or by choice? What happened?
“It wasn’t by choice.”
Is Zach [Charbonnet] hurt?
“No.”
…
“Limited, but…”
[After THE JUMP: the Mason wrinkle, going downfield, Gattis as a play caller, why McCaffrey started the second half and an injury update]
Can you talk about what you were looking for with Mason at running back the first series and how detrimental was that fumble given the emphasis you’ve put on ball security?
“Uh, yeah, it was in the scoring position. That was another really good play by them. The tackle was right on the ball and the ball came out. Started working Ben at—he’s worked some at tailback and we were working him especially this week, and that was unfortunate.”
Was that a depth issue or just a different wrinkle with him carrying the ball?
“Yeah, a wrinkle.”
What was the difference late when you were effective attacking downfield?
“Made some plays downfield. Both Nico [Collins] and Tarik [Black]. Shea got the ball—we threw some deep balls and made some plays. Guys kept fighting.”
Are there any concerns right now with Josh [Gattis] as a play caller? Is there anything that needs to be sorted out before you can get that identity you’re looking for as an offense?
“Uh…no. It’s a team effort offensively. Defensively, we didn’t play our best, no question about it. They played really well. So we come back and we’ve got a lot to fix.”
What do you want the offensive identity of the football team to be?
“Uh, to be able to run the ball, to be able to throw the ball. Both equally. Effective and efficient. Definitely little things we’ve got to do and we’ve got to do better.”
When you say outplayed, outcoached, outprepared. how difficult is it for you to admit that? Is it sort of a gut punch for you as a coach and for the staff?
“It’s a gut check, for sure. I would say it that way. And you go back to work.”
Dylan [McCaffrey] came in to replace Shea [Patterson]. Was that just for this game or is that position going to be open going forward?
“Shea was being evaluate at halftime and then we put Dylan in to start the second half.”
How’s Dylan doing?
“Dylan’s…he’s got a concussion. So, uh…looked like he was—I won’t comment on it, but seemed like it was clearing up for him.”
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:20 AM ^
Something is extremely broken in this football program and has been for almost a decade and a half. The question is does Manuel really try to figure out what it is or does he just keep things the way they are. Just getting rid of Harbaugh is not going to fix what has been broken for almost two decades.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:57 AM ^
Tell us then, what's wrong? If you had the access that Warde did, would you be an effective mystic detective?
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:05 PM ^
If I knew what was wrong, I would have stated it instead of saying it is something Warde has to figure out. It's his job to find the right person to lead our football program, hold him accountable, and manage issues as they present themselves. Problem is, I am not sure there is a whole lot of management being done when it comes to present or past coaches of our football team. Can we at least agree that something is wrong and that whatever it is hasn't just crept up since Harbaugh has been here? This whole situation just feels like deja vu again.
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:29 PM ^
First things first, I'd sit in on film review and figure out whether we're getting blown up because the players aren't doing what they're told to do or because the coaches are telling them to do the wrongs things.
If it's the latter, I ask why they thought their strategy would work. If they don't have a good answer, they're fired.
If it's the former, I dive deeper. Is the system too complex? Do they need more reps in practice? Is our S&C program failing them? Are they partying during the week instead of studying film? We can't fix the problem until we find the root cause.
September 23rd, 2019 at 2:37 PM ^
This is a bit of a plot twist. You want to sit in and watch film and figure things out?
Who the hell would have thought that Dave Brandon would choose the name "Cornman" on MGoBlog?
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/road-saturday/201410/michigan-wolverines-football-dave-brandon-brady-hoke-mark-schlissel-regent
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:12 PM ^
It’s all gone downhill since Goss put up the stupid halo. Maybe we should blame Martin and Brandon too? We’re cursed and need an exorcism; maybe it was the closure of Moe Sports or Drakes or Blimpy’s being forced to move? Maybe JH needs to sprinkle some holy water on the 50 yard line? I’m all out of suggestions. (Satire)
September 23rd, 2019 at 4:54 PM ^
I don't agree that the AD sitting in the film room and watching practices is the answer, but you brought up Strength and Conditioning in your last paragraph. I have been wondering about the S&C program since last year.
It does seem like as a program that we have had a high number of injuries in the last several years. It seems like each year we have a high number of players that are hurt and miss multiple games (Black last year, DPJ this year) or playing injured (Gary, Paterson, etc.).
I don't follow other teams enough to see if this is normal for all schools or if it's higher than average for Michigan.
The way the veteran line got pushed around on Saturday, receivers getting knocked down in their route, etc. Michigan has the facilities. Do they not have the trainers?
September 24th, 2019 at 1:49 AM ^
The bottom line is the bulk of the players just aren’t good enough. Maybe in two or three years some of them will be but too many guys play because they have to.
September 23rd, 2019 at 3:29 PM ^
I'm just throwing an idea out there, but throw the money cannon at recruiting a bit more. Go full Georgia, hire someone to do it for you, but bump your recruiting up.
September 23rd, 2019 at 4:51 PM ^
Again it goes back to Tressel shutting us out of state in the one small window of opportunity when Carr took it easy his last two years. If we had the typical 1/3 Ohioans of the sort that go to OSU, it'd have carried us alot like it did Dantini. Now he's getting shut out by Kentucky and Cinci. Need Ohio players because they know what's at stake. They want it more than anyone being a so called traitor in own home state.
September 24th, 2019 at 1:50 AM ^
Wrong. OSU’s best players are not from Ohio
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:50 AM ^
I'm not lumping Wisconsin into this category, but there seems to be a widening gulf between teams that are reputedly playing by the rules with recruiting and those that reputedly are not.
The recent scuttlebut about the offer Rashan Gary turned down to come to Michigan lend credence to that postulate.
Having watched Michigan football since the late 70s, I'd say that the vast majority of changes have led to less enjoyable fandom. Virtually all that were made to increase the heaps of money pouring into it. The *idea* of playoffs is fun. The reality of it, what we see today, is not for most fans. More games on TV is nice. Incessant, long game stoppages for television advertising make it a shitty experience for fans, especially those at the games. Yadda.
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:01 PM ^
Interesting take and thanks for sharing. I agree 100% on your sentiment and take on the evolvement and state of college football. So can Michigan even compete with this if they continue down the same "clean" path? Do you believe our current issues have anything to do with a program problem?
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:23 PM ^
This is a terrible excuse for the state of our program. Michigan is not as “clean” as you all want to believe.
September 24th, 2019 at 2:40 AM ^
I’m open to this possibility, but any evidence?
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:27 PM ^
The fan experience is undoubtedly getting worse. People aren’t as interested in going to games anymore and that’s directly related to all of downtime in games.
But if you think the reason we just got our asses kicked is because we don’t pay recruits, you’re as delusional as Harbaugh. He doesn’t need to call out players, but those were all fair questions from the press and his responses are pathetic. I would assert that there are a number of BIG coaches that could get better results with our current roster.
September 23rd, 2019 at 1:01 PM ^
I think I've got it - All other teams pay off all players and we dont so it's no fair as we are the beacon of integrity even though a team with far less in the way of recruits just pulled our proverbial pants down and paddled our bare asses/you dont like watching/consuming the current college football product.
Enjoy whatever your other hobbies are, most likely buying into conspiracy theories and denigrating a hugely popular sport because its not 1975 anymore.
September 24th, 2019 at 4:38 PM ^
Like watching the Big Ten Channel Football in 60..Sure it is a rerun of a game that was played but there are no interuptions for commercials and time outs. Wish I could get a schedule of when they are aired.
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:27 PM ^
Warde will not fire Harbaugh, if that's what you are suggesting. Never...... Jim will have to resign.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:25 AM ^
Tl;dr
"We're ass, my dudes"
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:27 AM ^
I know that there have been threads about this, but there is just something off with Harbaugh and this whole team. He just seem . . . off. No emotion, no fire. Every time we get dominated, it's the same thing: we got out- coached, out-prepared and out-played.
To some extent, I get it - what else is he going to say. But at this point, it's like groundhogs day: Play a good team, come out COMPLETELY flat, get blown out, look completely lost in the process, and then sit in the presser spaced out with the same mantra of "out-coached, out-prepared, out-played, need to tacked and block better."
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:57 AM ^
Tired of the coach speak BULLSHIT. Talk specifics, not blah, blah, blah....
That will be the EXACT same spiel he will give in the next couple of losses.
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:04 AM ^
It really doesn't even rise to the level of "coach speak." Coach speak would actually be an improvement.
Like, about Charbonett - Q. Is he hurt? A. No. Limited, but...
What is that? So, you have two answers to the same question, and one of them was patently untrue? I just.... are there people who don't see this as really really odd behavior?
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:30 PM ^
If he say's he's not hurt, don't we have to believe him? This says he got a scope last week, and isn't really hurt, but wasn't 100%. This is my take on the situation. This was the most telling thing to me:
On Mazi and Hinton: "We're looking for, as I said, the players are going to help us. Maybe something can help us on a cover team, a return team. Run down and cover a kick off, return a punt. Looking for guys to have that great focus" that this level demands.
This is coach speak that they aren't working as hard as the coaches want, and they will not reward players who aren't working as hard as the guys in front of them. I don't have a problem with this. Other players see these things and respect it.
September 23rd, 2019 at 3:36 PM ^
I'm not sure I agree with your take. Coachspeak is a thing for a reason. Coaches have to answer questions without divulging sensitive information or damaging the team. Usually makes for a less-than informative analysis.
First, what would you have said differently? The only thing I would like to have heard is a bit more about how he plans to do better - both he and the team.
I wouldn't want a coach who called out individual players or coaches; it's a team game, and the buck stops with JH. Blaming Gattis would have been awful; blaming players, worse. He didn't do either.
He shouldn't - and probably can't - speak directly about player injuries. I think his response about Charbonnet was accurate, if ineloquent. Clearly Charbonnet wasn't 100%, but he was cleared to play.
His assessment was truthful. Wisconsin outplayed and outcoached us. Chryst is good. Taylor is good. He was absolutely right when he said Michigan closed off the middle and Taylor did a great job bouncing things outside - not easy to stop. Wisconsin played a great game; we didn't.
Very tough presser. Hopefully further inspiration to have better things to talk about in the future.
September 23rd, 2019 at 9:25 PM ^
It's like Harbaugh has a string in his back and when you pull it, you get a recording of:
"outplayed"
"outcoached"
"Out tackled"
"They executed better"
Fuck you Harbaugh... that's not what your fucking $$$$$$$$ MM salary is for.
September 26th, 2019 at 1:05 PM ^
I'm tired of the BS coach-speak too. But the first year after he was hired, we used to revel in his obtuse way of answering post-game and Monday questions.
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:25 AM ^
Remember when everyone was making fun of the Paul Chryst hire?
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:33 AM ^
No, not really
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:23 PM ^
I knew we were in trouble early when he went for it on 4th and 1 on their own 35 or 40. Still not sure Chryst is some desirable head coach as he's just following the same Alvarez-Bielema path, but he sure gave us the business this weekend
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:33 PM ^
No I don't remember that either. People were commenting on how Gary Anderson left them high and dry, but I don't remember anything bad about Chryst.
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:32 PM ^
Come out flat! Yes, happens over and over. And we lack any creativity. Our offensive “wrinkle” was having a DT run the football. It was “unfortunate” he fumbled? First hit the guy has taken all year as a ball carrier. And we have no confidence in what we do. BVS runs it once last game, fumbles. He’s out. Oh, let’s go back to Mason as our big back. Runs it once, fumbles, done with him now.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:30 AM ^
That hit on Dylan and the subsequent reaction of the Wisconsin fans was the most classless thing I’ve ever witnessed inside a football stadium. They gave the player that hit him a standing ovation and loudly booed the call. Totally classless.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:40 AM ^
As a lifelong Michigan fan living in the state of Wisconsin, I can tell you this is par for the course. They are some of the biggest fair weather fans I've ever seen. If the results had been opposite they would have moved onto the Packers already, as it is, every smug fan is going out of their way to make today a badger holiday.
They really only care when they're good. And the silliest thing of all is how much they watch other teams. They're always in my ear about how Michigan is doing and they'll watch all of Michigan's games. Then they'll act shocked when I tell them I didn't watch the badgers. Why the hell would I watch a team I don't root for?
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:59 AM ^
I was there too. From where I was, it was hard to see, and everybody was really just booing a penalty and ejection. I think if they had shown it on the scoreboard, in slow mo, people might have acted differently.
September 23rd, 2019 at 1:54 PM ^
I totally disagree. I was there two and it was completely obvious. Every yellow flag in the stadium was already in the air before Dylan hit the ground. They actively and lustily cheered that pos as he walked off the field. It was gross.
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:05 PM ^
I second this notion. I've been living in WI for about 18 years (Lived in MI for 21 years), and you're spot on. I've learned to despise all fans of WI sports (pro and collegiate) for this exact reason. When I first moved here, nobody gave a rats ass about the Brewers and quite frankly didn't even know they were in the National League, and now it's like all I see anywhere. The 2017 game in Madison was the same when Peters got taken out...it was disgusting. After the game (and pretty much all year long for that matter), people will see me in MI gear and give me the teary eyed gesture and make obscene comments. I know some buckeyes around this state that are more reasonable than Badger fans. No, I am not saying every single person, and yes, I know all fan bases have their fair share of douchebags, but it's pretty f'n bad here.
September 23rd, 2019 at 3:44 PM ^
This is really interesting to hear. I went to 2 games in Madison back in the 80's, when Wisconsin wasn't very good.
Michigan kicked their ass one time, and Wisconsin pulled off a huge upset the other. In both cases, the fans couldn't have been friendlier or more good-natured.
That second hit on McCaffrey was dirty and gruesome. It's rare to see such a cheap shot these days. I hope Chryst has enough integrity to make it clear that crap is not acceptable.
Boy, if you can't count on people from Wisconsin being nice, we're all in trouble.
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:35 PM ^
They sound suspiciously like sparty fans.
September 23rd, 2019 at 12:43 PM ^
Yep, almost every student I know at Wisconsin posted on Instagram after the game with some tailgate pic with a snarky, self important caption and the hashtag "#muckfichigan." Like I'm sorry you didn't get into Michigan and had to settle for Madison, but like damn y'all are assholes
September 23rd, 2019 at 1:09 PM ^
If only they were giant insufferable pompous arrogant asses that constantly remind everyone of their football deeds back when the earth was pangaea and are constantly over-hyped, undelivering narcissists that are paying their God-coach Saban and Swinney money for less than Kirk Ferentz results while they parade their players on undeserved "cultural acclimation" trips paid for by the same types of people and applaud cringe-worthy rap videos about how great they are - then they would be super cool, amirite? Good god you little child.
September 23rd, 2019 at 2:44 PM ^
Well, at least you're here to correct these horrible wrongs on the internet.
Thumbs up.
/s
September 23rd, 2019 at 5:38 PM ^
Thought i kind of nailed it - no?
September 24th, 2019 at 8:13 PM ^
no you only nailed sounding like a huge asshole. and explain why those trips are "undeserved".
September 23rd, 2019 at 3:09 PM ^
Pangaea should be capitalized.
Signed,
Arrogant ass Michigan fan
September 23rd, 2019 at 4:25 PM ^
Get bent
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:55 AM ^
Agree and the hit was textbook, deliberate targeting.
September 23rd, 2019 at 10:56 AM ^
Fucking cheeseheads!
September 23rd, 2019 at 11:59 AM ^
I don't care much about classiness; drunk fans at a blowout are going to be assholes.
What did surprise me was how blatant the hits were. They were dangerous hits. It wasn't like the Army game where a guy got targeting because of a change of angle. In both those hits, it was toward the head, led with the helmet type of shots.
September 23rd, 2019 at 1:52 PM ^
I don’t agree on the first one. It was a dumb play by the defensive player to be sure, and given how targeting is enforced getting ejected wasn’t unexpected, but to me hits like that aren’t the reason there is a targeting rule.
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