Your unpopular Michigan opinions?

Submitted by Wolverine Devotee on

This can be any sport. 

-I think we should keep the all-Maize as a permanent alternate in Football and wear them for big non-rivalry games (PSU, UW etc.)

-The endzones being green is stupid. Make it Blue and step into the 21st century. Almost everyone has colored endzones and they look great.

-The renovations have made The Big House feel smaller and boxed in. Not a fan. They look great don't get me wrong, but I miss the stadium I first walked into as a 9 year old kid.

-The holier-than-thou degree waver fans are obnoxious, thinking because they went to the school they're higher than non-grad fans on the totem pole. 

gbdub

May 16th, 2018 at 7:51 PM ^

"The holier-than-thou degree waver fans... thinking because they went to the school they're higher than non-grad fans on the totem pole"

There's nothing wrong with being a "Walmart Wolverine". But being an alum adds something uniquely special to your fandom. I don't really believe in a fandom totem pole, but if forced to make one it would be athletes and coaches > band geeks, cheerleaders, etc > general alums > immediate family of alums > non-alum season ticket holders (family history of fandom) > unaffiliated fans. And I would lose zero sleep over that totem pole. Besides, the totem pole is on top of a mountain with all the fans of lesser schools down in the sunless valley, so nothing to be ashamed of wherever you are on it.

My unpopular addendum: Not all "Walmart Wolverines" are obnoxious, but the most obnoxious  fans are usually "Walmart Wolverines". Alums, in my experience, are less likely to be the sort to scream obscenities, start fights, be jerks in a not-fun way to opposing fans, just generally go full "fanatic" rather than fan. Maybe it's a love for / perspective on the school that depends less on wins and losses, maybe it's the sense that you as an alum are an ambassador for the university, I don't know. This seems to be true of all fandoms though - the worst people at the 'Shoe are the 70k truck drivers, not the 10k alums.

Part of this is that adults getting obsessed over amateur 18 year olds just feels a little ickier if you don't otherwise have a connection to the school. Being a general fan of college football, and your favorite team just happens to be a school you didn't attend, is one thing, but obsession with the athletic program of a school you didn't attend or have some other connection to is a bit puzzling - I just honestly don't get it.

MaizeRage89

May 16th, 2018 at 9:23 PM ^

I’m a native California and started following Michigan in high school when Woodson played ball (I was a corner too). My dad is from Ohio and a die hard buckeye fan. I have zero connection with the school and I am pretty obsessed with Michigan athletics. Even though I didn’t graduate from college there I still bleed maize and blue. I love everything about Michigan and absolutely fucking hate being called a “Walmart Wolverine” I almost feeling like telling people to go fuck off when they say that shit but whatever it’s a free country and isn’t going to change my support for the athletics or the school.

Go Blue

gbdub

May 16th, 2018 at 9:52 PM ^

To be clear, there's nothing wrong with being a Michigan fan if you didn't go there. Walmart Wolverine is a stupid insult (I don't actually call people that, just use it because it's the simplest way to convey what I mean here).

It's just that I sort of feel the same way I would if you, with the same biography, were a die-hard Steelers fan that "bled black and gold". It's a head scratcher to me, to be perfectly honest.

Also, unless your avatar is you or your significant other - it's not really helping the perception. Nor is being proud of wanting to tell people to fuck off.

Keep in mind this is the unpopular opinions thread. Normally I would just say Go Blue right back at ya.

SouthOfHeaven

May 18th, 2018 at 1:22 PM ^

Agreed. I hate that insult as well. I never attended U of M but my great grandfather played here back in the late 20's/early 30's. My father grew up listening to his stories and watching old game film reels, and love for the Wolverines was passed down to me. I've got zero reason to root for any other team. 

BoCanHam15

May 16th, 2018 at 9:37 PM ^

In order to be an alum, you would not have to actually wave a degree. See your belief is a more within your circle. You have poignantly bundled your circle into a box. For the record one must only complete one class in order to be considered an alum. So do you actually believe that this would allow one to act in such a manner as you stated? Anyways, your opinion is good humor for an otherwise far more nebulous factoid! I love Michigan.

BoCanHam15

May 16th, 2018 at 10:07 PM ^

A moth couldn’t find a way to bite into your cloth or clothes that you’d tried to give goodwill after graduation. An alum wouldn’t shout obscenities? Um ok! If I’m a bot. Then you’d basically be starring on Mork and Mindy,”screaming Shazbott!” You are pitiful.

JWG Wolverine

May 16th, 2018 at 7:50 PM ^

Brian and Ace gotta stop complaining about their twitter feeds. It's just a stupid twitter feed. Just block people, ignore your feed, whatever. We get it's annoying, and we'd be saying the same thing, but not this often! You don't have to tell us about it every podcast after a loss. Move on.

We get it, you're popular.

BoCanHam15

May 16th, 2018 at 9:27 PM ^

Injuries happen to every team but if you’re playing cupcakes 80% of their games as a Michigan team for the last two decades then our record would obviously be more favorable. Run the D($& ball. Sorry but Wisconsin is exactly what they are. They will never win a championship in football with their model. Every time they’d show up in any playoff they’d lose by 30. Not enough athletes. Maybe Wisconsin is who you’d want Michigan to be. No thank you.

Unicycle Firefly

May 16th, 2018 at 10:31 PM ^

Well, even if they just crack the top 3, they’re ahead of where Michigan has ever been since the B1G title game was introduced. If their “ceiling” is a solid bowl record, being nearly unbeatable at home, being a drive away from making the playoff last year, and having Heisman-caliber running backs year after year, then count me in for that “ceiling.” As far as National Titles, who really cares? Michigan doesn’t cheat/compromise academic standards enough to win one, and I’m fine with that. Big Ten titles and a good bowl record are fine with me, as long as Michigan can beat its rivals.

UMxWolverines

May 16th, 2018 at 7:51 PM ^

People need to come to grips with where our program is and has been for literally decades, we've never had a dominant run like OSU has had since 2002 since World War II, even in the 70s we didn't win a single bowl game. It's not bad luck that we have a terrible bowl record or lack of national championships since the 40s, it's preparation. Hell, how many seasons were we an actual national title contender? Not that many, we usually had 2 losses by November. I don't know what they did in 1997, but they had the magic formula and right mindset, I guess.

FrankMurphy

May 16th, 2018 at 8:15 PM ^

This is a painful realization, but it's one that's difficult to dispute. The idea that our program occupies rarefied air alongside the likes of Alabama, USC, or (dare I say) Ohio State is more a product of great marketing and impressive financials than actual performance. We're pretty much Notre Dame, i.e., a football power in name only. 

lhglrkwg

May 16th, 2018 at 9:08 PM ^

We're like Notre Dame in that we did most of our damage before everyone else got good and then we settled into that 2nd tier for decades where you're very good, but not often a national title threat. Both of us puff up our 9-3 seasons by bragging about things that happened before any of us were born

UofM626

May 16th, 2018 at 7:57 PM ^

Bo was a good coach but not great. He feasted on lesser competition for years and got beat way to much in big games.

Michigan fans feel to entitled like we are owed something. Most young alumni are the worse when it comes to “I went to Michigan”

Fab Five choked twice IMO

Harbaugh w leave sooner then people think.

Michigan’s recruiting is not on par w the big boys.

Maize Pants w white jerseys need a comeback.

Peppers was a huge disappointment in terms of wins, OSU, no bowl appearances, I feel robbed.

I do believe there is a bias against Michigan in terms of recruiting, refs, scheduling etc:

OSU chests more then we know, but I’m sure Michigan knows but can’t reveal things.

Michigan Stadium should build up high and not around anymore. It would be louder.

2timeloozer

May 16th, 2018 at 7:59 PM ^

Let’s go back to running out at halftime to bring in a second case of beer, passing people up, lobbing the PAT over the top of the stadium and a haze of of smoke blocking out the sun. Just sayin’.....

MLD Woody

May 16th, 2018 at 7:59 PM ^

An unpopular rebuttal to your unpopular opinion Fans that are alumni experienced this university/program in a deeper, more involved way than non-alumni fans. A "holier than thou" attitude is unjustified, but you need to realize their experience is different than yours and goes beyond most non-alumni. And in some situations, I feel like that opinion should be taken with more weight. That's not to make sweeping generalizations about different groups of fans, or to say one group are "better" fans than the other.

Tunneler

May 17th, 2018 at 5:35 AM ^

about different groups of fans, or to say one group are better fans than the other".

You start off making sweeping generalizations & end by saying you didn't.  How much deeper?  In what ways more involved?  How much further beyond?

Unless you are officially employed with the athletic program, or are a known major donor, your opinion carries the same weight (none) as mine.

Keep telling yourself how important you are, seems to be working well for you.

Qmatic

May 16th, 2018 at 8:01 PM ^

I enjoyed watching Moe Wagner more than Trey Burke. All white and all blue uniforms should be worn one game a year. I said in 2011 “I’m glad we have Hoke and not Harbaugh” Harbaugh’s antics are indeed growing tired. Wilton Speight never was anything more than average. We will go 2-1 vs rivals this year.

los barcos

May 16th, 2018 at 8:02 PM ^

brian has more hottakes than steven a smith - well, at least the same amount - and the times i listen to WTKA or his podcast can be painful. 

i wish ace would stand up for himself more often.  i think his takes are more reasonable than brians, but he often backs down when challenged.  

 

***********ducks********************

 

**********prepares for trip to bolivia*******************

gbdub

May 16th, 2018 at 9:06 PM ^

***** also ducking *****

Brian's hot takes are way more tolerable because Ace always seems to come off as smarmy / smug. Something about his tone grates when he's trying to be funny

gmoney41

May 17th, 2018 at 12:43 PM ^

I think if Ace’s health is up to it, he could use a little one on one training with Johnny Lawrence at the Cobra Kai dojo, then he could stand up better to Brian. I like both Ace and Brian, but they can grate after a while.

FrankMurphy

May 17th, 2018 at 12:46 AM ^

Sorry, but I just cannot listen to criticism of Don Brown. The ONLY loss I can think of in the last two years that's even remotely attributable to Don Brown's defense was the 2017 Penn State game. In every other loss, poor offensive play either spotted the other team 10 or more points in the form of bad turnovers (i.e., the 2016 Ohio State game) or put so much pressure on the defense that they eventually buckled. If they "folded late", it's because the offense couldn't hold onto the ball or sustain a drive and thereby kept the defense on the field much longer than they should have been.

Don Brown is the reason why we finished 8-5 last season instead of 5-8.

BeatOSU52

May 16th, 2018 at 8:12 PM ^

He was screwed over by the coaches most of his career at Michigan by having players like Moe fucking Ways get more snaps then him this past season.

FrankMurphy

May 16th, 2018 at 8:19 PM ^

The fact that no one has any serious delusions about Michigan Basketball being among the bluebloods (i.e, Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, et al) makes the program easier to root for and more fun to watch than the football program. 

gmoney41

May 17th, 2018 at 12:56 PM ^

I agree and they are just a fun group to watch. Last years football team was the first year in 40 yrs that By the halfway point, I was finding myself turning games off in the middle of them because what I was witnessing was so frustrating. That has never happened to me, even during the Rich rod years. As I’ve gotten older, at least I don’t take losses as hard as I used to. At the end of the day, what my soccer team did this year is what I have wanted from Michigan team to do every year, and that is entertain and win, Manchester City did that in spades and has left me so happy this year. Last years team here did not entertain or win and it was hard on the eyes

Zerodarkwolverine

May 16th, 2018 at 8:19 PM ^

Harbaugh has lost his touch with Qbs, OL, and isn't committed to the run game in his playcalling like he was at Stanford. Or was it David Shaw who designed hte Stanford offense and power run game?

Michigan basketball is too clean to win a national championship.