Ole Miss Fighting Transfers

Submitted by umbig11 on

I thought I would throw this out there before April Fools Day. That way there is no confusion. Ole Miss will be fighting the "immediate eligibility" of those that are requesting transfers. Yes, that means Shea Patterson. Let's just say Ole Miss came out firing with their rebuttal to the NCAA. They are not going to admit any wrong doing or grant approvals for the players in question. 

Michigan could have been more aggressive and used more documentation that was made available to them from Shea's attorney. Furthermore, Michigan may submit additional documentation if they can (not guaranteed). They are going to need it. Shea's attorney is far less optimistic than he was a week ago. Hence the statement, he is referring all future inquiries to Michigan's David Ablauf. For the first time in weeks, I am starting to think this going to be a 50/50 decision at best.

Attorney's advising Michigan are adamant that they miscalculated the Ole Miss response. Brace yourselves for the worst and pray for the best. We know what the right thing to do is, but we are now dealing with a corrupt instituition (Mississippi) and an organization (NCAA) with a less than stellar track record in making the right decisions!

Fezzik

March 31st, 2018 at 4:26 PM ^

I thought the whole reason it took Shea's attorney so long to turn in stuff was because how thorough and detailed he was in the case. Sounds like his attorney screwed the pooch. This is terrible news.

DetroitBlue

March 31st, 2018 at 4:27 PM ^

why the fuck would the people in charge assume that ole miss would do the right thing? the person responsible for the decision to not submit every single damning piece of evidence at our disposal should be immediately fired

DJMich23

March 31st, 2018 at 4:29 PM ^

Can't say that I'm shocked but yikes. The loss of optimism by the lawyer is not a great sign either. If Shea isn't eligible for the upcoming season...

ak47

March 31st, 2018 at 4:31 PM ^

Sounds like a pretty bad miscalculation on UMs part. Should have used all available documentation. Where they worried about being nice to ole miss?

MIGHTYMOJO91

March 31st, 2018 at 4:35 PM ^

Looks more like Mr. Patterson will not be the starter next year. The incompetence of the ncaa and their disdain for anything Michigan will see to it. Screw ole miss and the ncaa!!!!. Only hope the next man up is at least somewhat serviceable. 

Walter Sobchak

March 31st, 2018 at 4:36 PM ^

I did not watch my buddies die face down in the mud so that these cheaters, these goobers, could fuck up Michigan's well laid plans and screw our quarterback!

RobM_24

March 31st, 2018 at 4:43 PM ^

I don't doubt what umbig11 is saying, but I'm not going to panic until Shea gets bumped down the ladder in practice. If he's still getting reps as if he's QB1, then they must be confident about his case. If he starts sliding back, then I'll be very worried, but until then -- BEAT LOYOLA!

HL2VCTRS

March 31st, 2018 at 6:07 PM ^

I never understood the optimism that they would go easy. This is another chance for them to proclaim their innocence. I guess I always assumed that they would respond this way, but also assumed that the case against them was so good that it didn’t matter. Does this mean the case isn’t as good or that they have other evidence? Also, if we didn’t submit the best case possible then shame on us.

Yeoman

March 31st, 2018 at 4:48 PM ^

I saw the thread title and thought "oh, good, they've finally listened to all the people complaining about that damn Confederate battle flag and they're changing their nickname."

quigley.blue

March 31st, 2018 at 4:52 PM ^

Honest question, since the NCAA clearly has no teeth, what really happens if he actually shows up at Michigan and Michigan plays him? I mean, REALLY what happens? Burn the institution to the ground.

mgobleu

March 31st, 2018 at 5:03 PM ^

This sets up quite nicely for kids like Shea to get screwed. M's gonna move on without him and then what next year? Ditch whoever starts this year to give him a go? Probably not. If he doesn't get to play this year he might want to think about another transfer if the NFL is his ultimate goal.

This is Michigan

March 31st, 2018 at 5:03 PM ^

All this money being wasted on attorneys on both sides and all the NCAA had to do, months ago, was allow Shea (and others) to be eligible. No one would be hurt by such decision.

Mongo

March 31st, 2018 at 5:10 PM ^

what Ole Miss says. Just the perception that 7 athletes seek a waiver given they were lied to by a cheating organization and then allow that entity to attempt a block would look really bad to the world. This will all become public information some day and easy for the media to have a "public ruling". If the 7 kids have a decent case, the NCAA is going to rule in their favor. But they have to have a decent case and unique enough to grant a waiver.

LSAClassOf2000

March 31st, 2018 at 5:11 PM ^

Let's just say Ole Miss came out firing with their rebuttal to the NCAA. They are not going to admit any wrong doing or grant approvals for the players in question.

This would be the expected response from Ole Miss though, I would think. Even in the face of serious allegations from the NCAA itself, their official reply is going to be "Nothing to see here. Keep moving." as the place slowly catches fire. What I wonder is whether or not the NCAA can simply dismiss any argument that Ole Miss might present based on that. Someone out there who knows more than I will hopefully explain the mechanics of this. 

umbig11

March 31st, 2018 at 5:26 PM ^

It is in the NCAA's hands to decide and they haven't had the best track record when it comes to rational decisions. See North Carolina, PSU etc. I would have much rather Ole Miss said nothing or didn't put up a fight at all. However, you are right. This should have been expected.

mgobrooklyn

March 31st, 2018 at 5:32 PM ^

I don’t know enough about the merits of the case, but unless Ole Miss presented new evidence that UM/Shea’s camp didn’t know about or expect to be presented, I don’t see how the mere fact of their rebuttal changes the likelihood of the ultimate outcome. I mean, everything I had previously heard was that this was a slam dunk case.

Giff4484

March 31st, 2018 at 5:19 PM ^

With our luck he would have been approved ASAP. I swear our football program had someone sell their soul for 97. After that it’s been a rocky road for us.

bluepdx

March 31st, 2018 at 5:45 PM ^

Agreed, and it’s difficult to understand how anyone at UM had any reason to think Ole Miss wouldn’t fight this as hard as possible. Nothing to do with Patterson or Michigan. Ole Miss just flat out denies wrongdoing, and the strongest position against immediate eligibility is the only angle consistent with the underlying position.

My one question is whether Michigan did not come with guns fully blazing bc, whatever that means, it could compromise their position in a later situation where someone wants immediate eligibility transferring away from Michigan.

m83econ

March 31st, 2018 at 5:35 PM ^

NCAA is going to make a decision with or without input from Mississippi and that decision will occur at some point, probably before the start of the season.

Attorney is overly optimistic about his case and now the outcome is less certain.

Michigan will have a QB to play against ND.

 

jbrandimore

March 31st, 2018 at 5:34 PM ^

And it wouldn’t surprise me if the NCAA agrees. At the end of the day, the NCAA is a series of committees, made up of members who have sometimes wildly differing needs and priorities. Let’s say that at some point in the near future Pattersons eligibility comes up and the committee members are FSU, Memphis, UNC, Georgia, Nebraska, USC and UNLV. How many of them would you suspect would vote to create an environment where probation = player free agency? Everyone has interets in this case, and Ole Miss isnt the only university that doesn’t want this decided the way Michigan does. If I were a lawyer, I’d be publicly talking lawsuit for millions in damages - even if I was bluffing.

blueday

March 31st, 2018 at 5:39 PM ^

To be Peters or Dylan as the starter. There are no silver bullets. Year 4 is now. We had the chance to recruit and these are the QB options. If Shea is eligible, just more depth and competition. Im not drinking the NCAA koolaid. They can't make a logical, unbiased decision. Harbaugh needs to just get this done either way.

gasbro

March 31st, 2018 at 5:47 PM ^

How many transfers are restricted by a university and the relaxed after parties complain?

Hopefully they just want to say "we didn't do anything wrong" and then, after parties complain, move on to "ok we'll benevolently let you go because we've always had your best interests at heart "

garde

March 31st, 2018 at 5:52 PM ^

I hope I am wrong, but I never thought Shea would be eligible. It just opens up a can of worms for the NCAA anytime this happens in the future. Its BS, but I have kept my expectations extremely low. Yes, it stings a bit after some early camp rumors, but I suspect we will see Peters or DM at Notre Dame..unless Speight comes back.

NowTameInThe603

March 31st, 2018 at 6:12 PM ^

1. Michigan now looks stupid for not making a stronger case to do Ole Miss a service

2. Ole Miss is pathetic

3. How can Michigan, as an institution with the alumni network and tradition not have enough pull to make things like this happen no matter what

SkyPanther

March 31st, 2018 at 6:17 PM ^

The NCAA cannot come down on the side of Ole Miss. They penalized Ole Miss, and letting the players be eligible this year should follow with the penalties. We can see they we mislead about how severe the penalty would be.

 

Having said that, we might be seeing Dylan McCaffrey vs Notre Dame on September 1.