Final Four fluff from Ramzy
One of many nice things about a Michigan trip to the Final Four is watching the attempted non-reaction from our friend(s) to the south.
For me, if there was an Final Four that included a B1G team that was not Michigan, I am relatively certain that the B1G team would hold my rooting interest. Because I am a conference loyalist, in precisely the way that Ramzy Nasrallah (and his readership, apparently) are not. I am a conference loyalist because of the likes of Ramzy Nasrallah and OSU.
It's a special sort of butt-hurt to go into a Final Four weekend -- where you have no other personal interests -- and not root for the team from your conference. As his exception-that-proves-the-rule, Ramzy picked the perfectly rotten example of his having rooted for Wisconsin to knock off Duke in the 2015 Championship game, because Duke and everybody hates Duke and yeah Duke.
But would it have been different if the Badgers had played Kentucky? North Carolina? Kansas? Butler? Loyola-Chicago? The Washington Generals? I say; if right now, the Final Four included Loyola-Chicago, Kansas, Villanova and The Ohio State University, I'd be rooting for Ohio State (and figuring out if any local golf courses were playable this weekend). One thing I wouldn't be doing is advising Michigan fans to not root for The Ohio State University. It would be so easy -- a given, really -- that I would want the Big Ten representative to not lose to any of the other schools in that hypothetical Final Four.
The minor obsession with NOT pulling for anyone else in the Conference seems to be a peculiarly OSU thing. It is the one way -- maybe the only way -- that they desire to separate themselves from SEC culture. (And I was never too sure about how deep the "S-E-C!" thing was, throughout the SEC.)
It's really more Sparty than Sparty; MSU has more recent success in basketball than OSU (pretty much everybody has more recent success in basketball than OSU), and two (2) fewer claimed national championships in football than OSU. And yet the feel that I get is that Michigan State alums have more of a genuine academic interest in the game of basketball and some respect (however grudging) for U-M teams that make it to a Final Four. I have yet to hear from a Spartan -- excluding, perhaps, the fever swamp of RCMB -- who wants Michigan to lose to Loyola-Chicago because, "scUM." Indeed, I actually saw a terrific little post at RCMB, with basically the entire tiext reading thusly:
"Over the last 6 years UM and MSU have each won a B1G regular season championship and two tournament championships. The head to head series is tied at 6 in that span.
"In those six years, MSU has been to 3 sweet sixteens, 2 elite eights, and one final four.
"UM has been to 4 sweet sixteens, 3 elite eights, and 2 final fours."
One other wonderfully inapposite comparison made by Ramzy was suggesting that fans of the New Orleans Saints would never deign to root for the Philadelphia Eagles in a playoff run because of something like "divisional loyalty." Which actually illutstrates my point. We college football fans ought to want for nothing so much as to be unlike everything represented by the mercenary tar-pit of the NFL. The NFL doesn't have any 100-year rivalries. They don't have "conferences" in any meaningful way, outside of tv contracts and old documentaries about the '69 Jets. People root for NFL teams because the pharmaceutical company that they work for moved them to a city with a franchise.
Let's Go Blue. Win one two for the Conference.
I have always been a conference loyalist. So I have no problem rooting for other teams when Michigan isn’t involved. Most of my family and friends are Ohio State fans, I like to see them happy if it doesn’t take away from my own. When we play each other, I want them to suffer in the pits of agony and despair. Otherwise I get no satisfaction from their team losing.
Watched the end of the Florida State game with my Buckeye loving cousin at a bar, he was cheering as loud as I was.
March 29th, 2018 at 12:50 PM ^
Wow, I didn't even make it to the end. This has to be some sort of mind-fuck troll, no? Let's review:
- Post an 11W article
- Agrees with conference pride
- Would encourage M fans to not root against OSU(!)
- Has tough time rooting against Duke
- Would root for MSU(!!)
- DEFENDS MSU(!!!)
- DEFENDS RCMB(!!!!/head asplode)
If you're looking for a template for downvotes, here it is, people! ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!?!?!
March 29th, 2018 at 12:53 PM ^
I never root for OSU. Before MSU became so annoying in '08 I'd root for them in Basketball. I did during their '79 national championship run. But no longer, they are so annoying now that they have joined OSU for teams I will never root for and I hope they lose every time I watch them. PSU is joining that never root for list in the B1G as well.
I say fuck the B1G, I now root for no damn team in this conference. At work we have several B1G alum from WI, NE, OSU and PSU and they are all rooting for the Sista's team. I hope when I see them on Monday I can rub in their face.
March 29th, 2018 at 12:56 PM ^
The B10 is not the SEC Pawwwwllllll!
rooting for either of those trash fanbases
kthankx.
Before I moved to Nashville for college, I never really thought that much about conferences. And a good conference rivalry sounds kind of fun in the abstract.
However, hearing a bunch of Vanderbilt fans actually trash talk you 'cause SEC is enough to convert even the staunchest of conference supporters.
It sounds like you want to get Ramzy's or our opponent's fanbases' "approval" on UMs Final Four appearence.
I can't tell you how you should feel, but I give no hoots to anyone else rooting for or against UM in the Final Four.
Go Blue!
ever.
There's nothing I need or want less, than Ramzy's "approval."
Lol & agree 100%. I don't care about 11Ws opinion and we shouldn't feed that troll.
The national championship game against Miami...I loathed the Hurricanes that much...wouldn't do the same thing nowadays, though.
If another B1G team does well in the tournament, might that hurt UM's recruiting? and
who is Ramzy Nasrallah?
Nah, I'm all about that schadenfreude
I am guessing that Section 1 has been put in his place a time or two by this Ramzy guy. And so Section 1 wants to take out his personal animosity toward this Ramzy guy through this post. Which means he is really abusing his posting priviledges here. Revoke them.
is on to Section 1.8 now presumably because he's been banned here 7 times. He has gone on and on about how unfair Ramzy was to him at 11W. Maybe Section 1 should ask himself why he keeps getting banned over and over from both sides of the rivalry?
Hey, Section 1, WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR TAKES!
One of the worst takes I've read in a while.
There's too big of a chasm between OSU fans and Michigan fans to ever seriously contemplate rooting for the other. Some fundamental differences can't be reconciled. Insofar as they find Michigan success in any athletic endeavour distasteful, we find carnal relations between blood relatives to be equally distasteful.
Why the fuck does this ass clown keep getting posted here? As if the constant "MICHIGAN MONDAY IS UP!!!" every fucking week isn't enough for some of you. JFC, get the buckeye propaganda out of here.
If Ohio State does well, they are more likely to beat us for top recruits.
If Michigan State does well, they are more likely to beat us for top recruits.
If Ohio State does well, they are more likely to get donations, funds and profit.
If Michigan State does well, they are more likely to get donations, funds and profit.
Why should I want them to succeed?
March 29th, 2018 at 11:04 PM ^
The only time any wolverine should ever want msu or osu to win is if it directly benefits Michigan. Otherwise I'm not sure you're actually a Michigan fan. I mean what the hell does rivalry week and 'the game' even mean to you if you're busy cheering for those same teams to win the rest the year when they're not facing Michigan.
I am just guessing, but I'd happily bet that I've been to more UM-MSU games in E. Lansing, and more games in Ohio Stadium (along with more games in Michigan Stadium) than almost anybody else commenting here. At considerable expense; but enjoyable and interesting.
This is real life; and the notion that you can go through life hating everything about MSU and OSU, and everyone associated with them, to the exclusion of everything else is something that I grew out of when I was about 19. If I've got good tickets to the game, and there is a client or another law firm partner or a really interesting person who is a grad of Ohio State or Northwestern or Nebraksa, etc., it is a special pleasure to take them to the game. I take pride in knowing as much about their schools and football programs as they do.
I don't think of intercollegiate football as some sort of gang warfare, where nobody can go on anybody else's turf and the goal is to make your neighborhood as intimidating as possible. My notion is to make my neighborhood the most desirable one. See; I am not putting on pads and a uniform.
I want the Big Ten to be the best and the most successful conference in every possible way, because it is our conference. I do see "Michigan" as being part of that attitude, and "Sparty" as being part of the opposing attitude (wherein any Michigan success is torture for them). I think of it in terms of historical superiority. We are the school that actually left the Conference at one time because we didn't get our way, but came back of our own accord. I think the Conference needs us, and would be diminished badly without us. The smart people at rival schools know that. And since this is the conference we're in, I want it to be the best. Anything less, diminishes us.
You are a huge Big Ten conference fan and maybe a Michigan fan. You act as if football games are just business ventures. You take pride in knowing everything about osu and msu said...no michigan fan ever.
Would you rather have Michigan win their bowl game and every single other BIG team lose theirs, or vice versa? I think I already know your answer and its very sad.
March 30th, 2018 at 10:56 PM ^
Apologies for being a little too forward.
Whats with your non-answer to my question? You answered like a politician. Is that your way of saying you'd rather the Big Ten go undefeated in bowl games and Michigan lose theirs?
March 31st, 2018 at 12:27 PM ^
March 30th, 2018 at 11:36 AM ^
Assume, arguendo, that Ohio State, Michigan State, Purude and Miichigan all won regional titles in the Men's Basketball Tournament. An all-B1G Final Four.
The immediate gut reaction among all of us (I presume) would be, "How cool is that? What a sensation! What a great thing; an historic thing...)
We would then all be rooting our hearts out for Michigan to win two games against whoever the opponent was, and to win that great, historic thing.
In that setting, would anybody be saying, "You know, I wish that instead of OSU, MSU and Purdue getting this far, I wish it had been Loyola-Chicago, Villanova and Kansas..."?