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Brian

2/14/2018 – Michigan 74, Iowa 59 – 21-7, 10-5 Big Ten

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[Marc-Gregor Campredon]

There are many reasons your correspondent does not coach basketball. One of them is that I would not look at Michigan's defensive issues from their first game against Iowa and solve them by putting Duncan Robinson on Tyler Cook. Cook eviscerated anyone Michigan sent at him en route to 28 points at Carver-Hawkeye; yesterday my humorous tweet about how things were going for Robinson was not quite hyperbolic enough:

Cook actually had four points at that juncture. He'd finish with ten, on 18% usage, and Iowa does not win a game where Cook ends up being a role player. Without Luka Garza going NBA Jam from 15 feet, Iowa's offense would have collapsed in a wet puddle; even with that net-burning activity the Hawkeyes were held to 0.88 points per possession, their third-worst outing of the year.

Also Robinson singlehandedly shot Iowa out of their zone, and the game, by hitting 6/8 threes—many of them from a couple feet behind the line. This naturally leads to a lot of sentences that start with "if" and end with ellipses, like "if Duncan Robinson can just do that six straight times..." or "if Duncan Robinson is possessed by the soul of Glen Rice..." or "if Duncan Robinson made a pact with the Devil..."

Then, yeah, man. Yeah. Sometimes a Mitch McGary comes from out of nowhere. It's not likely with Robinson, who's been a contributor for long enough that he's established a baseline of performance. We probably just saw Robinson's best game at Michigan.

I can accept one "if", though: if Robinson can be the 40%+ three point shooter he was his first two years, that could take Michigan's offense up to "threatening to high seed" levels. Knockdown three point shooting makes it very difficult for a Michigan opponent to not get caught in possession-based quicksand.

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I keep poking it in case it wakes up and trundles off into the sea, leaving me to wonder if it was ever real. It does not wake up. It does not even seem vaguely fluky. Michigan's defense is legitimate. Crashing the boards on this team leads to more transition opportunities the other way than second chances. Iowa is the top OREB team in the Big Ten and Michigan obliterated them. Iowa got 18% of their misses; Michigan got 28% of theirs.

That's a six shot advantage. Turnover margin provided another ten. Even if Michigan is a wonky shooting team, and they usually are this year, there's almost no way to stay in contact with a team that gets 16 more opportunities to score than you do. When only 10 of your attempts are from three, forget about it.

Michigan now combines elite turnover avoidance, elite defensive rebounding, and elite three-point shot prevention. If they were anywhere near their usual level of sharpshooting this team would be really something. They aren't, so they're just a B outfit headed for a middling seed.

But I think there's something in this new paradigm. Michigan will remain an elite turnover avoidance team as long as Beilein is here. Their worst performance in the past six years was 17th. Preventing threes also seems sustainable. They were 218th two years ago when Beilein turned his staff over and hired a defensive coordinator; under Billy Donlon they were 9th; under Luke Yaklich they are 10th. There's no reason that can't continue.

Rebounding is an open question. This is Beilein's best DREB team by almost four full percentage points, and Wagner is (somehow) now the kind of elite DREB vacuum that might move the needle. You'd think Teske would be at least in the vicinity, though.

If Michigan can go from a team that gets a lot of shots to a team that has a huge shot margin because the opposition isn't getting second chances, and that eFG D is helped out by that 3PA prevention, and they can do this with a Typical Beilein level of shooting... well, yeah, that seems like it would be good.

I eagerly anticipate marrying the era where there's a defensive coordinator with the one where Michigan assassinates archdukes with called bank shots. For now, let's hope Maverick Morgan sent Robinson a shitty DM last week.

BULLETS

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oblig mad fran [Campredon]

Damn me to hell. Yesterday in our Slack chat I wondered why Fran McCaffrey, a guy with one regular under 6'5", didn't play zone. So of course for the first time in McCaffrey's dang career he sends his team out in a 2-3 zone from the drop. Michigan spent their requisite 5-10 minutes staring uncomprehendingly at it, staking Iowa to an early lead, and limped to a 1.1 PPP performance against a defense that was previously horrible.

Michigan—Robinson—eventually shot Iowa out of it, but honestly they should have stuck with it. The zone completely neutralized the Bohannon-Simpson matchup that was a major problem for the Hawkeyes earlier this year. Simpson had one shot attempt, four assists, and three TOs. Charles Matthews also struggled mightily against it, and the Robinson threes weren't always open or anywhere near the three point line.

Michigan's going to continue facing these zones because they don't have many rise-up threats against it. Matthews and Simpson aren't; Robinson evidently can be but if he's having an off game your other options are... MAAR, I guess, and he loathes being a high usage guy. Hopefully next year's vanguard will make zone a very bad idea—DeJulius, Nunez, and Brazdeikis are all guys who can punish the half-closeouts zones generally provide outside shooters.

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[Campredon]

Every day I'm scuffling. Charles Matthews continues to implode down the stretch. We should mention that one of his misses was a Kobe assist that led directly to a Teske dunk. Still: 10 points on 17 shot attempts is grim even if he grabbed four OREBs. A couple of his makes were transition gimmes, too. It's nice that he's able to run the floor and dunk explosively; in our imaginary grading system that's less of a positive than breaking down a set defense.

Michigan just has to live with it, I think. MAAR will turn into a gremlin if he ever gets up to 24% usage in a game, Simpson's total lack of a jump shot limits him, Wagner's already carrying a heavy load, Livers is a role player at this point in his career, and Robinson is 85% Just A Shooter. And it's tough to shove minutes over to Poole when he's 0/4 in a game, as he was here.

Matthews still has a lot of upside to explore but I don't think we're going to see a 180 down the stretch here.

Expand flagrants. Iowa had two hard fouls on Michigan fast breaks that were not declared flagrants. They probably weren't under the current rules. But they should be. On both, the Iowa player had no realistic play on the ball and undercut a Michigan guy in a full sprint. Instead of cool dunk action, we got free throws, and both Michigan players hit the court hard. Those fouls are intentional and are not legitimate defensive plays; they should be two shots and the ball. If you are behind a guy on a fast break you should not be able to grab them without that outcome being worse than no foul at all.

It'll be different without Mo, but maybe not worse. I assume Mo Wagner is headed for the exit after this year even if he's not ranked particularly high on draft boards, because he's done what he can to make himself more attractive to the next level—become an excellent rebounder—and his defensive deficiencies are baked in. I'd love to have him back, but I'm not banking on it.

I am relatively sanguine about this possibility because of Jon Teske, who had 8 rebounds, three offensive, and three steals in 16 minutes. Teske doesn't quite qualify for Kenpom leaderboards—he's about 4 MPG short—but if he did he would be in the top 20 nationally as an offensive rebounder. And his OREB rate goes up as the competition gets stiffer. That's probably a sample size issue, but it does go to show that it's not an artifact of beating up on the Alabama A&Ms of the world. He's also got an absurd-for-a-big steal rate:

He is the blue dot all the way to the right, and would be top 100 in steal rate for all players if he qualified. While Teske isn't an elite shot blocker his post defense is already solid or better, and he's showing flashes of being an efficient scorer with decent usage. He's not far from being this site's Dream Beilein Post, non-Pittsnogle division: an elite possession generator and rim protector. Just has to get that block rate up some and he's going to be a major positive. McGary-esque, perhaps.

FWIW, I was poking around Beilein's history on Kenpom and the one year Michigan's OREB rate wasn't in the red was the Final Four team, which had 20 MPG of McGary, an elite OREB guy (16%), 15 MPG of Jordan Morgan, a very good one (14%), and 5 minutes of Jon Horford, an okay one (10%) along with Glenn Robinson's solid 8% OREB rate. Livers is at 8, Matthews is at 6, and Wagner is at 7. 30 MPG of Teske and his 15% OREB rate has the potential to bring Michigan's OREBs from around 250th to 130th.

That would take Michigan's possession advantage from very good to great.

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[Campredon]

Simmons lives! Jaaron Simmons has 20 minutes in the last couple games; he canned a pull-up three in front of the zone and had a clever steal to set himself up for a dunk. With four assists to one turnover he had a productive outing. He's not in Simpson's class as a defender but he is the man who got absolutely zero help from his Ohio teammates a year ago; if there's a team daring Michigan to shoot over a zone he might be a decent option. Certainly more of a threat than Simpson to do so.

BTN gives, BTN takes. On the one hand, Robbie Hummel is already very good early in his broadcast career. He offers intelligent studio analysis and his color is mostly unnoticeable—a major positive—until he says something insightful. On the other, I find it impossible to listen to Jon Crispin for two hours without thinking about the sweet release of death.

Comments

Monocle Smile

February 15th, 2018 at 3:36 PM ^

So I'm left to do the legwork.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/02/15/florida-s…

This kid had issues, and these issues were on record at a mental health facility.

 

That said, he still probably would’ve found a way to get one regardless, as we have found that people in the past that commit these kinds of crimes illegally obtained guns
So we shouldn't have laws, then. good to know.
When we stop showing love and respect for one another, bad things can happen.To me, it’s an attitude change, not a policy change.
I didn't ask for inane platitudes. There were no "good ol' days." It's always been this way.

KTisClutch

February 15th, 2018 at 1:40 PM ^

You mention Nunez, Dejulius, and Brazdeikas as freshman coming in that could help bust zones, but you left out Johns who, at this point in their careers, is a much better 3 point shooter than Iggy. Johns has a tight, compact jump shot with a lot of lift on it. I think he will be a 40% 3pt shooter at Michigan and has the highest ceiling of anyone in the class.

Michigan4Life

February 15th, 2018 at 1:48 PM ^

can shoot 3s. He probably has the biggest upside of anybody in this class because of he has room to grow, can shoot, block shots and rebound. He's probably a year away from being physically able to bang against the bigs in the B1G but they probably need him next year due to depth if Moe isn't back next season.

markp

February 15th, 2018 at 1:49 PM ^

Firstly, thanks for the great site and content. Truly.

Secondly, I agree that the headline and "BULLETS" heading could probably use a change.  They seem a bit tone-deaf.

KTisClutch

February 15th, 2018 at 1:57 PM ^

I can see how people would be a little upset about the headline, although personally it didn't even cross my mind as shooting is literally the most common part of basketball. But to get upset about the Bullets section? That Brian has in every basketball or football recap? That's crazy to me.

markp

February 15th, 2018 at 2:11 PM ^

That's fair.

When quickly skimming the front page those blobs of text caught my eye so I thought I'd share.  Given Mgoblog's recent and well-written meanderings into socially-sensitive subjects (health disorders, the MSU mess, etc.), it's not crazy to think an article might address a tragedy that has caught much of the nation's attention for the moment. When one reads more closely and that's not where the article is headed, it seems a little insensitive.

FWIW, I'm usually on the "don't be so oversensitive" side of things, but this one struck me differently.

Michigan Arrogance

February 15th, 2018 at 4:32 PM ^

SO, either we

  1. figure out ways to prevent several children from being shot in school from happening so goddamed fucking often during basketball season, OR,
  2. Ask Brian to change his headlines

 

 

yeah, fuckit. this is on Brian.

 

god fuckit this country seems more and more amoral every day 

Novak-blood

February 15th, 2018 at 5:33 PM ^

Amen to this. I'm stunned at the absolute absurdity of the "barking up the wrong tree" factor at play here. Totally with Brian on this one. I came here to read his always-excellent analysis regarding a great win by our hoops team last evening as it prepares for its stretch run. Was a bit surprised at the number of comments. And then I made the ex post facto mistake of reading them. Ugh. There doesn't seem to be an escape any longer.

Beat the bucknuts on Sunday.

AC1997

February 15th, 2018 at 2:04 PM ^

The fact that Matthews has hit the wall this year is frustrating since it puts a huge limit on what Michigan's offense can become.  With that being said, I wanted to list a few reasons to be optimistic about Matthews:

  1. He's definitely coming back next year!  While I love our recruiting class, having Matthews return will be a huge benefit to the team.  
  2. We know he's capable of being an all-around star.  We've seen him have great games, we've seen him shoot, we've seen him get his own shot, etc.  He may never be the most efficient player on the team, but he's capable of being a star.
  3. His problems seem as much mental as anything else.  His finishing around the rim has been awful lately and that isn't logical.  He needs to make the extra pass or live to fight another day instead of trying to fight through so much traffic.  I think he has another great game left in him this season and I think he's going to be a huge part of our success next year.  

 

AC1997

February 15th, 2018 at 2:08 PM ^

I know there was a lot of clammoring for more Poole the other day on this site.  While I do think he's going to be a star, it is hard to justify more playing time when he made two late blunders against Wisconsin an is now in a prolonged shooting slump at 20% from three over his last ~25 attempts.  

It was nice to have Livers back just to give Beilein more options to play with.  I liked how he tried some unique lineups last night with his forwards and even a Rahk at the point.  Livers was a star for a few games off the bench and has done little as a starter but he adds hustle, open shots, and size.  I think he got yanked a couple times for losing his man on D though.  

I'm excited about Teske's progress and future, but I'm not where Brian is.  I think next year with Z, Matthews, and Teske all being mediocre shooters we're going to see some struggles on offense at times.  Livers isn't exactly Glen Rice either.  I think the freshmen who can shoot will get the most minutes.

AcheBlue

February 15th, 2018 at 2:13 PM ^

We seem to have had a bit of bad luck in being on the wrong end of non-flagrant (but excessively aggressive) fouls lately. All in the transition game. In addition the to two that were reviewed against Iowa, in the NW game Matthews was fouled (originally called a flagrant 1 but overturned), and Livers was knocked out of the NW game when undercut during a fast break (ordinary foul - aggressive but not flagrant). Are we suffering from bad luck? Is this a small sample size? Are teams playing overly aggressive on us because they see a perceived weakness or are frustrated?

Tex_Ind_Blue

February 15th, 2018 at 5:53 PM ^

I am curious, what in this tragedy has generated the reaction you have? I mean if you draw a 50 mile circle with your home as the center, may be 2-3 people die everyday from completely preventable traffic accidents. If you draw a 500 mile radius, that number would be much much higher. I am assuming that those events didn't rattle you the way this tragedy has. 

I have seen people using phones, putting on make-up, reading, eating, etc while driving and completely oblivious to the danger they are posing. But a mass shooting would really make them sad. I am not sure what exactly precipitates this emotion. 

So I am sincerely asking, what in this tragedy has generated this reaction in you?

Blue in PA

February 15th, 2018 at 2:48 PM ^

The youth of this team....... If coach B continues to develope these kids the way coach B usually does, Sky's the limit!

I Bleed Maize N Blue

February 15th, 2018 at 3:32 PM ^

I love the turns of phrase like:

I keep poking it in case it wakes up and trundles off into the sea, leaving me to wonder if it was ever real.

Even if I don't always quite understand...

I eagerly anticipate marrying the era where there's a defensive coordinator with the one where Michigan assassinates archdukes with called bank shots.

Wouldn't the latter start WWI, which would be bad?

TrueBlue2003

February 15th, 2018 at 3:47 PM ^

it's been deployed by bad teams as a hail mary (Minnesota and Iowa) and one decent team that is actually running it regularly (Northwestern).  Those are teams that knew they couldn't say in front of Z/MAAR/Matthews and either don't have the athletic bigs to switch the pick and roll (Iowa) or just didn't want to try (Minnesota).

I don't think good defenses (OSU and PSU, and either MSU or Purdue in the BTT and pretty much any team we'd face in the round of 32 or later) are going to stop doing what they've been successful with for the season. They either have the perimeter defenders to stay with Z/Matthews/MAAR well enough or they have athletic bigs that can switch picks and rolls or both (or at least, that's what they'll stubbornly think, because MSU doesn't really - Z dominated Winston and Wagner dominated Ward, but Izzo will probably just switch JJJ onto Mo and stick with man).

Flagrants: I had the exact same thought.  It shouldn't matter that you "went for the ball" if you're then at full speed taking a guys legs out from underneath him - that's a super dangerous play.  Absolutely needs to be a flagrant if they care about the safety of players.

As for Duncan, we've seen this all year.  He has a remarkable split in games against quality opponents vs. games against poor opponents.  He has an abysmal 98.5 Ortg against kenpom A+B tier teams (essentially top 100-150).  That's in 13 games so it is not a small sample.  He has, incredibly, a 140+ Ortg in our 14 other games.  I would bet that's one of the, if not the biggest discrepancy of any player in a power 5 conference with more than 50% minutes.

Part of it (I hope) is just randomness but those are large enough samples and the eye test confirms that there's a big difference between him playing bad teams and playing good teams.  As mentioned in the zone section, good teams tend to play man and are usually athletic enough to stay with our guards such that they can put a guy on Duncan, deny him the ball or get a hand in his face and he's far less effective.  He's taken almost exclusively tough shots against good teams and has forced a lot of them (the kind of shots Brian mentioned yesterday as being a foot or two further back and with a hand in the face).

Teams that don't have the athletes and have to help agressively and can't close as quickly, or even better for Duncan, that play zone, are ideal matchups for him (and that's why he was able to be good last year as a sub - we were mostly able to match him up with those types of players even if they were on good teams).

We said the same thing after Rutgers: oh Duncan got his confidence back!  Then he had a -16 outing in 8 min against Purdue and went 3-14 from 3 in his next four games.  I would be very happily surprised if he had a good game against OSU.  He looks angry though so maybe he will!

10AlumGoBlue

February 15th, 2018 at 4:11 PM ^

The only chance this team has of getting passed the Sweet 16 (probably even the second round) is if Simmons plays a bigger role and Matthews realizes his offensive limitations.

Simmons has the ability to run a great pick and roll with Wagner with both able to step out and hit three's, while that is a huge limiting factor to Z's game. PG's win games in the tournament and, with a few exceptions, Simpson isn't going to lead the team to victory. Obviously haven't seen Simmons grab the reins yet but last night's game was a big step forward and he's one of the few people on the team that has a ceiling we haven't really seen yet (based on last year). I liked seeing him get into the game so quickly but he barely played in the second half after, imo, his best performance of the year.

Matthews is a great defender and rebounder but him putting up 18 shots a game will lead to a quick exit come tourney time. I was at the game last night and just shook my head every time he pulled up because they weren't going to go in. Beilein isn't used to having a SF that can't shoot but needs to adapt to that quickly to end this year.

Those two things happen and this team could put the fear of God into a lot of teams in a few weeks.

jmblue

February 15th, 2018 at 4:24 PM ^

Simmons has the ability to run a great pick and roll with Wagner with both able to step out and hit three's, while that is a huge limiting factor to Z's game.
Would that be the same Simmons who has made four three-pointers all season, and is shooting 32.3% from the floor?

matty blue

February 15th, 2018 at 4:21 PM ^

...i don't think there's any doubt that a) this team has some flaws and is not quite to the status of 'gorilla with a chainsaw for a penis' of the final four team, and b) if and when we are shooting with any kind of efficiency we are an extraordinarily tough out for literally anyone in the country come tournament time.

seriously, who scares you out there?  virginia?  villanova?  cincinnati?  purdue?  duke?  sparty?  nope, nope, etc.

i like our chances. a lot.  not "i think we'll win it all" a lot, but a lot.

B-Nut-GoBlue

February 15th, 2018 at 5:27 PM ^

All of those teams scare me.  We lost 2 games to one of them...and beat 1.  But it's not like those would be probable wins.  I mean, every game scares me so there's that.  But going up against the fire power of Duke would be...scary.  I do know what you're saying though...it's an interesting year.  Purdue I think (maybe Villanova when they're not having an off night like the they've been of late) is the most complete team out there...no weaknesses.  And we should've won a game against them.  But they still scare me!

Novak-blood

February 15th, 2018 at 5:48 PM ^

I love that pic of Ferocious Duncan. Apropos that it has been used as the primary photo in back-to-back content posts. I hope he's officially busted out of his "slump." If so, bodes well for Sunday and the stretch run.

Goblueman

February 15th, 2018 at 5:49 PM ^

Matthews has issues offensively,everyone can see that,including JB.Coach B has the patience of Job (sorry for the religious comment) but most Coaches don't.There are many Coaches (looking at you Izzo) who by now would have Matthews looking over his shoulder every time he touched the ball;Should I take this shot? Should I drive? Should I pass? JB gives his players just the right amount of freedom which instills confidence and often results in the player showing dramatic improvement in his game eventually.If only I had that much patience *Sigh