More likely to survive: Dantonio or Izzo?

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Maybe 10 years ago, it would take a coverup to force MSU to fire those two. What is true and well-known is that those two did not do enough to discourage the sexual abuse culture at MSU. ~Five years ago, Izzo survived Appling and Payne. Nowadays if you have a kid on your team that is accused of rape, the expectation is that they are cut from the team or suspended until the legal system sorts it out. Izzo and Dantonio don't do that. If you can help their teams, you play regardless of what you have done. Every time Dantonio talks about their high standards I think about LJ Scott and his 7 moving violations. Dantonio has no standards, he just knows as a coach he has to pretend to the media that he does. In Izzo's case, he said "in my mind" I still have a job. He is sounding just a little contrite. As in, someone else might disagree with him. If he was in full-on denial mode, he would not have made that distinction. Personally, I would fire Dantonio and encourage Izzo to retire before the NCAA tournament, because that is when the media attention is going to flare up again. I am interested to see what opposing fan bases do when MSU's basketball team goes on the road. Fans can be pretty brutal with their chants and signs. Izzo might decide, if he truly loves the University, not to put his team, his program and his university through that tidal wave of recrimination.

What did he get fired for? Less than what you're claiming is necessary to fire Izzo and Dantonio. He was flat out fired too. He offered to finissh out the season and retire.

The more bad publicity for a school, the less that's needed to fire coaches and anyone else involved in the scandal. The amount of bad press MSU is getting is second only to PSU and it's getting worse. Izzo and Dantonio are already implicated in more than enough to cost them their jobs. What's left is figuring out who's going to be in charge at MSU and how their removal is going to be done.It won't be firing via a letter like with Paterno.

 

Its one thing to be regretful and sad for victims. Its another to turn a blind eye to lying facilitators because its a bad look from a Rival.

Get off your high horse. They did what they did and facilitated the culture of rape. Either one of them could have put their foot down but they didn’t. They are culpable and should feel some pain.

If it were corporate America you would be outraged. A Rivalry doesn’t cancel the need for justice and outrage.

And lets not forget how much these two guys hate our programs. How often they’ve run up the score, or committed personal fouls alacrity (head twisting, countless late hits). We all know these are dirty programs (MSU football more than basketball).

I hope they get fired and never work again. Im going to post about it If and text my Sparty fiends that they need to care about this. No one cared about the victims until there was public outcry.

If you dint like it don’t click on an MSU topic.

This. All this izzo/dantonio getting fired shit takes attentionaway from the real issue at hand. Oh and here's an idea: the fucking attorney general is investigating MSU. How bout we see what that shows and not rely on ESPN who we uniformly hate until they publish something bad about dantonio/izzo.

That will only care about the basketball and football implications of this and that is a sad indictment of our society. Some Michigan fans will take satisfaction in the downfall of these programs without any regard for the victims. And as we see in public forums there are some MSU fans who will defend their beloved coaches regardless of what may have happened, even if the worst scenario turns out true they will still keep them elevated to deities as PedoSt fans did JoPa. That being said, these are 2 huge national stories happening concurrently and we are affected. This is our community, our state, MSU is a public institution. You may not have any ties directly but everyone has family, friends and colleagues who bleed green and white. This may end up bigger than Baylor for the fact that we know MSU gymnastics, basketball & football are involved and as the investigation turns up stones others within MSU athletics may be too. But OTL implied that the authorities surrounding MSU were not doing as they are charged to do. This is a serious systemic breakdown which is a big enough story in itself. The other significant aspect is going to be the economic impact of countless lawsuits against one of the largest academic institutions in America. We are treading into unprecedented waters. The litigation could draw out for years. To sum up, it is a huge and unfortunate series of events. Often the mass media is late to the game as they were in the Nasser story. For many reasons that i wont rehash. We were inundated by Weinstein and numerous Hollywood sex assault stories for more than the usual media news cycle. And for those paying attention there were many stories over a period of months on Baylor. Those stories pale in comparison to what has happened in EL. To make an analogy, often when an earthquake happens the story is biggest within the state that it happens. The further away or more borders crossed the less of a story it is. We just had 2 8.0magnitude earthquakes happen in our back yard.

If you think the narrative on this board is that people are simply trying to get Dantonio and Izzon out, first of all this is proably the only thread you've clicked on all month, since we've been talking about all the issues pretty steadily, and nobody even started this conversation until evidence came out that these two coaches were acting improperly. 

Secondly, nobody here (scroll up or down) is saying that they should be fired regardless of what an investigation finds. People are only speculating what will end up happening, not wishing them gone. Get off your high horse and put your reading glasses on.

Seriously, I have issues.

Look, I grew up a spartan fan. My mom and Dad are alumni. The issue at hand is the school’s handling off ALL sexual harassment and assault, but so much of the our focus seems to be on Dantonio and Izzo. Because their jobs matter to our fans. I personally care a lot more about this shit ever happening again. If we are going to be “leaders and the best” then we are going to help our friends and colleagues fix this mess. If that’s me being on a high horse, I’ll ride that stallion into the sunset every day if my life.

60 minute show on the msu debacle. Probably a rehash of Friday night's sports center but we'll soon find out.

I dunno about that. Briles couldn't even get a job as a CFL assistant without an uproar.

They are both in their 60s as Dantonio is only a year younger than Izzo. Neither is young enough to go through the requisite cooling off period and lower level job success necessary to get another high level job.

Decent chance they could get NFL/NBA assistant jobs but given their age, past career success, and lifetime earnings that probably doesn't have much appeal. 

The difference is in Izzo’s cases charges were at least brought forward in the Travis Walton case, and he still let him stick around and coach. Also in the Payne/Appling Case, Adrien admits of wrong doing going on. Yet, Izzo never disciplined them either! Dantonio for the most part can say that most of these were allegations and when charges were brought in the cases last summer he let the students go.

Appling raped a girl. Payne admitted it on camera. Izzo knew about it and helped hide it all while playing them both. I don’t think he survives. Neither will. MSU will have to start over. That can’t happen with those coaches that were a huge part of the failure.

I don't know if I would say Izzo is fine. Even if you think his accountability for this scandal won't get him fired (not sure I agree but that's been discussed in depth elsewhere), he is about to have a gigantic comprehensive high profile investigation into the program. An investigation backed by law enforcement/subpoena powers. While Izzo isn't particularly dirty by most accounts, the nature of college basketball recruiting puts him on very shaky ground. 

Agree. Want Dantoniinyo to stay in order to beat his ass. Don’t make him a martyr.

Unfortunately nobody is getting fired based on hashtags when the AG is conducting an investigation that actually matters