Space Coyote

September 27th, 2017 at 9:49 AM ^

Which, yeah, go figure. The disappointing part is that I really, really liked watching how his teams played defense. I thought they were a very fun team to watch.

Luckily, Beilein also has very entertaining and also very clean.

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Ty Butterfield

September 27th, 2017 at 9:54 AM ^

Forget the death penalty. The NCAA should make the unprecedented move of naming Michigan the 2013 National Champs. I think that would actually piss off Louisville fans more.

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Red is Blue

September 27th, 2017 at 9:54 AM ^

So, didn't at least some of the alleged bribery take place after the "escort" scandal came to light?  If so, wouldn't this indicate "lack of institutional control."?  

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Yeoman

September 27th, 2017 at 10:52 AM ^

How can the allegations not be true?

The accused might not be guilty of crimes: there could be arguments about whether the facts meet the legal standard for bribery, or whether the evidence was properly gathered. But there's tape and film of Louisville coaches arranging six-figure payments from Adidas to their recruits. How the hell they can argue that they didn't commit a pretty serious NCAA violation? They won't even try--they'll clean house and self-flagellate and cross their fingers that 100 other programs come tumbling down behind them.

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Yeoman

September 27th, 2017 at 10:30 AM ^

 

Noting that University-6 was already on probation with the NCAA, DAWKINS indicated that they would have to particularly careful with how they passed money to Player-11 and his family. Coach-1 agreed, saying "we gotta be very low key."

 

They're completely hosed; their only chance is to delay and hope that by the time the NCAA gets around to leveling penalties there will be 40 or 50 other schools in the same boat. At that point the association might opt for sweeping structural changes instead of euthanizing a large chunk of their membership.

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Mr Miggle

September 27th, 2017 at 11:31 AM ^

The top 15-20 recruits would go into the draft. They aren't the only ones who want to make money, just the ones where going pro straight out of HS is the right career move. 

The players aren't driving the cheating. It's the coaches and boosters and other adults. They are still going to want the top remaining players. I seriously doubt there was any less cheating before the one and done rule went into effect.

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stephenrjking

September 27th, 2017 at 12:42 PM ^

Louisville isn't in on most of the top 15-20 kids anyway. Pitino builds with guys who stay for a few years. When we have played them we have faced athletic, experienced sophomores and juniors and seniors, not one-and-done types. Louisville's recruiting classes have usually featured maybe one guy around #30 and one or two other top 100 guys. They then develop.

The bitter irony about this is that Louisville, ON the court, is exactly what you want to see from college basketball teamwork and effort and guys developing over years. Off the court it's a cesspool. 

 

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Go Blue Rosie

September 27th, 2017 at 9:59 AM ^

There aren't too many people I actually spend time hoping will fail in life - Rick Pitino is definitely one of them.  Louisville is a trash school that deserves everything it has coming to it.

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Hemlock Philosopher

September 27th, 2017 at 10:11 AM ^

The pity in this situation is that good guys like Coach B rarely get the opportunity to win it all - especially in a sport so rife with corruption. The 2013 CG game still smarts and knowing that Michigan was deprived by one of the most crooked asshats in the game doesn't make it any better. I hope he gets another shot at the championship and takes it home. 

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MichiganTeacher

September 27th, 2017 at 10:11 AM ^

It's great and all, Pitino deserves to be fired and then some.

But there are so, so many dirty programs out there that the FBI won't get to - because if they got them all, that'd destroy the current incarnation of college basketball.

If it were up to me, though, I'd go ahead and push the re-set button. Nuke the NCAA - because you know they're complicit - and then just start from scratch.

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stephenrjking

September 27th, 2017 at 12:44 PM ^

Federal investigations are what really exposes serious wrongdoing. We know this because that's how the Ed Martin situation was exposed and how Chris Webber was forced to cooperate with Michigan's investigation. 

My guess is that we'll see more stuff come out as the histories of these corrupt coaches and execs is revealed by court order. 

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matty blue

September 27th, 2017 at 10:11 AM ^

reminds me that back in the dark days, idiots were flooding the board with "WE NEED RICK PITINO!" posts after we canned tommy amaker.

proving once again that the loudest fans are usually the dumbest.

i wouldn't trade john beilein for anyone in the country.  period.  full stop.

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