This Week’s Obsession: QB1 Comment Count

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Nick’s First Question:

Does Michigan have a new quarterback?

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[Patrick Barron]

BiSB: This is a bit of an Allegory of the Cave situation. We only see a small fraction of the available evidence, and we see it with only a fractional understanding of what should be happening. The coaches have much more information about both of these guys, and they clearly thought - right up until the moment he was origami'd by that Purdue defender - was that Speight was better. So I don't think I'm even qualified to guess in this situation, though that has never stopped me in the past.

My blind-ass prediction is that he gets the start against MSU, and his performance in the first game or two determines what happens when Speight is 100%. Two things I will mention in favor of the premise of the dawning of the O'Korn Era. The first relates to a name that hasn't been mentioned much recently: Colin Kaepernick. Alex Smith missed a start because of a concussion, and he never got his job back. The second point, which is related to the first one, is that O'Korn has the kind of mobility that Harbaugh has traditionally enjoyed with his quarterbacks. If he can extend that mobility to include mobility in the pocket the way he flashed against Purdue, I think he has a good shot to keep the job.

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Brian: I don't see how they can go back to Speight until and unless O'Korn's performance gives them a reason to. Michigan just had their best offensive performance of the season by a healthy margin, per S&P+, and that was with three Speight-led drives that netted 12 yards weighing down the O'Korn section of the game.

Speight's performance so far this year has looked worse than it's actually been. He's getting little help from his OL, RBs, or receivers. In this one he suffered when Schoenle failed to rub a guy on third and short, and when Michigan let guys through untouched up the middle, and when they did that some more. I don't think it's a blowout all of a sudden.

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The more a thing happens the more you have to expect it to happen. [Chris Cook]

I do think O'Korn has a clear edge after Saturday. Speight's ability to make plays in the face of pressure has seemingly evaporated. For whatever reason he's gone from a guy who will avoid a rush and reset and do something productive to one who airmails his receivers when someone is vaguely in the area. Or he'll break the pocket and not find Grant Perry. O'Korn broke the pocket and found Grant Perry. With the offense in its current state, I'm going with the guy who finds Perry.

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David: Probably? There's no official word on Speight's injury or any sort of timetable, but I don't think most people are expecting him back in less than two weeks...and even then, how much practice would he even get? The Bye Week came at the perfect time for Michigan. If Speight cannot go, Harbaugh and Co have two weeks to rep JOK with the 1's and continue building the continuity of timing routes and general teammate feels. Speaking of which, despite just missing Perry on a couple of key third downs, JOK looked very in sync with his targets.

We talked about the audible in Cover Zero leading to the jump ball to Gentry. Also, he consistently was able to connect with McKeon, leading to Sean's biggest day of his career. After taking a couple of series to settle in, JOK showed wonderful pocket presence and mobility...stuff that was projected and hoped for a year and a half ago. Granted, this is just based on facing a Purdue defense, and we really are still stuck with a small sample size, but it is starting to feel that the offense's ceiling took a huge bump with what JOK brought to the huddle.

The only reason I downgraded to “probably” is in case of a minor scenario. As Adam and I drove back from West Lafayette, I mentioned that if Speight's injury ended up being very minor, he practices and tidies up during the next 10 days, there's still the chance that he starts on the 7th...but with a much shorter leash. The bye week is the perfect time to make a QB switch, though. So, I would not be surprised to see JOK lead Michigan's offense in their 4th ever home night game.

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Ace: I agree with everyone else here for the same reasons so I’ll just note that since none of us predicted O’Korn would even be on the two-deep in this year’s HTTV, he’s a dead lock to hold onto the job.

BiSB: The one caveat to Brian's point about Speight's production this year is that we have a significant sample from LAST season as well.

Ace: I think the offensive line really changes this year’s circumstances, though. Speight hasn’t responded well to having consistent pressure in his face and it seems like it’s affected him even when he isn’t under fire.

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Adam: I think O'Korn is probably the new starter, but I can't discard the adverb because of what Bryan was saying about Speight and the coaching staff. There was clearly something the coaches saw that led to Harbaugh reiterating every week that. despite the offense's struggles, Speight was the starter.

Could that have changed after the Purdue game? Obviously. It seemed like O'Korn was developing his vision outside the pocket as the game progressed, moving from I-have-a-mobile-QB-and-am-in-7th-grade-MAKE-PLAYS Madden player to a legitimate threat throwing on the move. I think it comes down to a battle of weighing whatever the coaches were seeing from Wilton from spring ball through the last week of practices against what O'Korn did against Purdue, and that's a battle where I lean toward live reps. With Speight being definitively ruled out if there was a game this week, the window for him to make his case is shrinking quickly.

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Seth: Speight isn't the guy who earned the Purdue start anymore. That guy was seeing everything in front of him, making correct reads, and could write a tour guide for pockets. Here’s that failed rub by Schoenle that Brian mentioned:

It's a counter off the mesh play that was the offense's staple in this game. It was also a staple play last year when Speight was too injured to throw downfield yet still money on third and short passes. Speight comes off his first read, McKeon, too fast to realize that his hot read is hot, and then bugs out in the direction of his next two reads. The second read is Schoenle's snag, which doubles as a pick route, but like Brian said, Schoenle didn't run it picky enough to open up the third read, Hill, which isn't open because the pick didn't come off.

A year ago Speight had the presence and command to step into that pocket, which was fine, and let McKeon's route have a chance of coming open. From the pocket Speight would have still been able to access Schoenle and Hill, without losing the opportunity to find McKeon and Gentry. Instead he did the thing Gardner did all 2014 where he's bugging out too quickly. The thing that quarterbacks do when they've been under siege and don’t trust their linemen to keep them alive for half a progression.

I think what the coaches saw in Speight was the guy they weren't ready to give up on. The guy who got shaky after Colorado, got a bye week to reset, and eviscerated all comers until Iowa. The guy who played hurt in the Horseshoe for them. Justice is a form of merit, and it was only justice to allow that guy a shot against Purdue’s leaky passing defense to make it to the bye.

There's a version of this story where Speight makes it through the Purdue game, gets a week to reset, and comes out refreshingly lethal against State. But that timeline didn't have O'Korn use his opportunity to demonstrate he can handle the job. Harbaugh said Speight probably couldn't go if there was a game this Saturday, and given the kind of pain Speight's played through in the past that says he's not going to be able to practice.

So the answer for now is yes, Michigan has a new starting quarterback. But then we haven't seen how O'Korn will stand up against the kinds of things Speight's been through. Nothing's permanent; it’s now JOK’s job to lose.

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Ace: One thing going in O’Korn’s favor that isn’t always the case in these scenarios: Michigan has rotated so much at WR and TE that he’s probably had more reps with the pass-catchers who’ll see the field than most backups. That came to mind when it was clear he felt most comfortable throwing to McKeon and Gentry.

Comments

Indiana Blue

September 26th, 2017 at 11:44 AM ^

that no one commented on the obvious difference in the Red Zone.  WS lead Michigan to Nordin territory, but for whatever reason, was 1 of 10 in TD's.  JOK going 3 for 3 is critical to the psyche of this offensive unit.  Everyone can stop with the rationale for WS's inability to lead TD drives, because that is all irrelevent if JOK produces on the scoreboard.

Go Blue!

gbdub

September 26th, 2017 at 12:00 PM ^

O'Korn actually only completed (and only attempted) one pass in the red zone on Saturday (the TD to Gentry). The big difference was that we had successful run plays in the red zone this time, and didn't need to chuck it up on third and goal from the 9 or 12 or whatever as we have in the past couple games.

O'Korn made some clutch throws, no doubt, but he didn't get magically better or worse inside the 20.

I think I'm with Brian on this one - our red zone troubles have largely been general offensive woes, other than a couple cases of Speight's overthrows of fades. Our success here came largely from not putting O'Korn in "endzone or bust" obvious passing downs once we got into goal-to-go. The pass he did attempt and make came on 3rd and 4 from the 12 - a pressure situation, but one with a lot of options, including the one he smartly took and executed - dump it short to Gentry and let him make a play.

bronxblue

September 26th, 2017 at 12:48 PM ^

I have been tracking the 3rd-down distance for every game this year, and Michigan's average coming into the game was 3rd-and-7.4 yards; in this game, it was 3rd-and-6 (which is about the national average).  The offense did a much better job this game not getting too far behind the sticks, and it obviously helped with scoring.  Some of that is on O'Korn moving the offense better, but the offensive line is still struggling and who knows how they'll look against a better defense. 

gbdub

September 26th, 2017 at 1:46 PM ^

If Speight couldn't throw the damn ball enough for defenses to respect it, how'd we get into 10 red zone attempts in the first place? Hell, part of the issue was that Speight had thrown 3 TDs from outside the red zone (and 1 inside that was inexplicably taken away). Our run/pass balance has been pretty even up to this point.

 

bronxblue

September 26th, 2017 at 12:42 PM ^

O'Korn threw one pass in the redzone; Michigan being able to run the ball semi-successfully in the redzone was just as helpful.  Now, credit to O'Korn for being able to get the offense down there and, for example, throwing a nice ball from the 25 to Gentry to get close to the endzone.  But Michigan was 1 for 10 in the redzone doesn't (a) mean that Speight played an outsized part in that being the case, and (b) that them then going 3 for 3 was because of some outsized influence of O'Korn.  

Yes, as long as O'Korn plays like a star, Michigan should keep playing him.  Hell, if he struggles a bit, they probably should as well.  But if Wilton Speight starts against MSU and throws for 3 TDs, are we all suddenly going to start singing his praises and consider him a new QB, or could it just be you saw a 3-game stretch of bad play and now you'll see some good play, and because human nature makes people terrible at statistics and football seasons are so short with such small samples, narratives arise to fill in the gaps regardless of the reality behind them?

Denard's Pro Career

September 26th, 2017 at 2:08 PM ^

Reminds me of the W stat for pitchers. Wins and losses are obviously not all at the feet of the starting pitcher, but when a guy gets 20-25 wins in a year, something is obviously going right, and you should try to let that guy pitch in big games. I'll agree that JOK has a small sample size, but when you put in a new QB and the offense suddenly gets way better, you stick with that guy. 

I'd also like to say in Speight's defense: the RZ number should be 2/10 but the refs blew that call at the goal line in the first drive of the Florida game.

AnthonyThomas

September 27th, 2017 at 12:39 AM ^

Football seasons are not that short. We can pretty accurately point to who the country's best QBs are every year and it's not a crap shoot. 

If Speight plays well against MSU, then that's great. But at this point it is fair to say, that won't happen. People wouldn't be wrong to expect him to struggle. Even if he were to play well, he should remain on a short leash. 

The "narrative" that Speight is a mediocre QB hasn't been constructed out of thin air. It's based on good evidence. And O'Korn's success only adds to it.

You Only Live Twice

September 26th, 2017 at 12:46 PM ^

Chris Evans hangs onto the ball and scores as opposed to fumbling.

Not to say O'Korn didn't light things up, he most certainly did.  I am hoping that Wilton's injury at least galvanizes this line to get their act together or John O'Korn will get drilled too.

Edit:  in case not clear, this was a reply to BronxBlue.

Mp1228

September 26th, 2017 at 4:01 PM ^

Very true, the playmakers definitely stepped it up a bit in terms of hauling in not-perfect throws. But I wonder how much that has to do with JOK seemingly throwing a more catchable ball (tighter rotation etc.). Even at his best and most accurate, Speight always seemed to have a little more wobble to his throws than you’d ideally like to see. Obviously throwing a prettier ball doesn’t always lead to a great pass, but in my very limited experience, it’s for sure easier to snatch a tight spiral than a wobbly duck.

LloydCarnac

September 26th, 2017 at 11:21 AM ^

Part of manball is next man up. Speight has taken a beating the last two seasons due to porous (poor-assed) line and receiver play. O'Korn has also faced the same dynamics both seasons.

Bottom line: Prepare all QBs to play. Next/best man up when the call comes. OSU demonstrated this philosophy well in their last NC run and win.

jdemille9

September 26th, 2017 at 11:29 AM ^

I agree with the post (especially the assertion about how well O'Korn performs the next game, or two) and the comments, but something in my gut says Harbaugh is gonna go back to Speight when he's healthy.

Maybe I'm just so jaded from all the shitty coaching decisions of RR/Hoke but Speight hasn't been the same QB the last six games and they still roll with him as their #1. After Iowa last year he's been something different, yet the staff STILL goes with him. Granted, he probably gave us a better chance to beat OSU but he also lost the game single-handedly with those two pick sixes (one was returned so far it may as well have been a pick six).

But that was last year. This year is all bad Speight and no good Speight. The defense has won (or at the very least kept us from losing) every single game up until Purdue. We won in spite of Speight.. IF O'Korn can keep up his Purude level of play then it'd make no logical sense to take him out. However, given Iowa through Cincinnatti I don't see how Speight could still have the confidence of the staff and yet he somehow did. Benefit of the doubt I suppose. 

True we have the Alex Smith situation to look back on and honestly while I hope Speight has a full recovery, there is precedent for Harbaugh to go with the 'hot hand' so to speak. Still, something deep in my gut says Speight will regain his job regardless of what O'Korn does. Clearly the staff felt Speight was their best option and we've all seen what's happened this year, and the end of last year, so it seems to me they would go back to him when healthy. I hope I am wrong. I just don't see this team competing for a Big Ten title with current Speight at the helm.

jdemille9

September 26th, 2017 at 11:59 AM ^

He very well could be out all year. But if that is the case, what is the likelihood he even comes back for his 5th year? Peters, a true Harbaugh QB, would be entering his third year and by all accounts he's already the most talented QB on the roster. It seems like he'd have progressed enough with his "command of the offense" (whatever that means) by then to make even having Speight around nothing more than a back-up plan if he's capable of still playing. 

If Speight returns to Speight of the first 9 games of 2016 I'm more than fine with him as QB, but given the last six games it doesn't look like that's gonna happen, regardless of injury. So onward with O'Korn this year and let the Peters/McCaffery era begin in spring of 2018!

rc15

September 26th, 2017 at 1:13 PM ^

If he can see he's not going to be the starter, maybe he transfers elsewhere to start.

There is no chance Harbaugh gives him a handshake. O'Korn wasn't given a handshake this year when it was probably thought that he was going to be 3rd string (until Peters didn't develop as hoped). Even the worst Speight haters should be happy to have him as a 5th year senior back-up (whether 2nd or 3rd string), and is well worth a scholarship for 1 more year.

Fezzik

September 27th, 2017 at 2:41 AM ^

Enough with the Speight hater crap. We ALL want the starting QB at Michigan to perform well no matter who is under center. When our QB is consistently struggling and people post about it, it does not mean they hate him. There is a certain expectation that comes with the job and we all want to see that expectation met. Especially when it appears a better option(s) was sitting on the bench during the struggles. If Speight came back and all of a sudden played lights out we'd all be thrilled.

Surveillance Doe

September 26th, 2017 at 11:43 AM ^

Don't forget the goalline fumbled snap at OSU last year as well. 

That OSU game is a weird one. Based on O'Korn's performance against Indiana, I was certain at the time that Speight was our only hope of winning in Columbus. And he made a number of excellent plays in that game. If that fourth-down spot call goes the other way, we're probably saying Speight was one of the keys to winning the game. 

There's no doubt, however, that his errors were a major culprit in that loss. 

gbdub

September 26th, 2017 at 12:13 PM ^

It's sort of like Blake O'Neill - everyone remembers his one huge gamebreaking error, but forgets he was basically the MVP of the game up to that point, consistently flipping field position on a day the offense was pretty stagnant.

The fumble was the killer from Speight though. The pick six was awful, but on the whole team. Speight was hit just as he released the ball by a guy coming through clean, throwing out of his own endzone. His choices were to try to throw that ball or take a safety (and given he was already starting his throwing motion, a tuck probably results in a fumble anyway).

Enough good plays and enough terrible plays that, win or lose, everyone thinks it's your fault.

SpikeFan2016

September 26th, 2017 at 12:28 PM ^

The fumble from Speight literally did not matter, far from a killer. 

 

Immediately after the fumble, OSU turned it over on downs on their own 20 and then we scored a touchdown like 1 minute later. The pick 6's are the only thing that was "killer". Without the interceptions, Michigan wins going away. 

Without the fumble, the only difference is Michigan might have a couple minutes to try to respond to OSU after their game tying field goal to end regulation. 

Needs

September 26th, 2017 at 12:15 PM ^

BISB makes the key point in his first post: the coaches have exponentially more information than fans do in these decisions. They've watched them both practice now approximately 100 times, many more if you count video review of practice reps, and have thought Speight was the better  player. We also don't know how close Harbaugh was to lifting Speight if he continued to struggle against Purdue. There's just a ton that we dont, and can't, know.

And even with all the shitty coaching of RR and Hoke, I don't think you can point to a QB decision (other than the desperate decision to start Morris) either of them made where they were sitting a player that should have been starting. 

FWIW, don't forget that JOK got two series in the Florida game and looked like the same player he was against Indiana. Aside from the completion down the sideline, he was looking at the rush and not coming off his first read. He did look like a different player against Purdue and much better than Speight, but ... Purdue. The good news is, he's almost certainly going to start against MSU and we'll get a bit more information about whether Purdue or Indiana were anomolies.

Tacopants

September 26th, 2017 at 12:51 PM ^

What's probably happening is that Speight wears the no-contact jersey in practice and knowing he won't get hit, is able to stand in the pocket and deliver beautiful passes. You see this in the NFL - QBs look great in practice and then can't execute at all in games. It's not the quality of look that the scout team provides, its that the QBs instinctively know they can't be hit in practice and their decision making slows down.

 

Speight probably looks the best in practice and the coaches are just hoping it translates to live games.

Prince_of_Nachos

September 26th, 2017 at 11:33 AM ^

I disagree that Speight's performance after the bye week meant much last year. 

Did he play well? Yes. But in MSU / Maryland / Illinois, he was facing the number 120(!) / 80 / 87 pass defenses per S&P+. Delivering throws against that competition, with receivers open by yards and virtually no pressure in his face, doesn't mean that much compared to how Speight performed under any amount of pressure in his other contests.

trackcapt

September 26th, 2017 at 11:56 AM ^

The biggest difference I've seen between Speight and O'Korn this year has been throwing on time. So, were the guys not getting open for Speight, or has he just not been trusting them. And given what I've watched and what's been covered in UFR, I see a combination. Perry and the TEs are getting open but the WRs aren't. For whatever reason, Speight is thinking that these guys have to be blitheringly wide open, as designed in the play, before he can throw it to them. And maybe he knows it's not Darboh, Chesson, and Butt out there, but mostly a bunch of rookies. Who knows, but he's been way too hesitant.

Erik_in_Dayton

September 26th, 2017 at 12:06 PM ^

It's worth remembering that he threw for 28 TDs for Houston in 2013 and then played poorly but not terribly in part of 2014. That gives us a decent amount of data on him.  His performance at Houston - even when adjusting for quality of competition - and his performance against Purdue suggest that his awful display in the Indiana game was likely an outlier.  I'm cautiously optimistic that he can repeat what he did on Saturday. 

gbdub

September 26th, 2017 at 12:30 PM ^

There was a reason he got benched in 2014 though - he was bad.

2013 he had 28 TDs to 10 INTs - not bad at all, but the gaudy TD number is in part due to the nature of that offense. 2016 Speight had only 18 TDs, but 2013 O'Korn had 100+ extra pass attempts (and didn't have Ol' Touchdown Vulture, the Hammering Panda).

2013 O'Korn was a bit worse than 2016 Speight in terms of accuracy (58.1% completion vs. 61.6%) and YPA (6.99 vs 7.67). So if he can at least replicate "Good Speight" from last year we'll be in good shape. His full history seems to suggest he's certainly capable of that - but that or a little better is probably the ceiling (still might make him the starter, since Speight can't seem to replicate Good Speight). I doubt he's secretly Baker Mayfield though.

gbdub

September 26th, 2017 at 1:18 PM ^

Did you miss the part where said "Speight can't replicate good Speight"? I'm not arguing against leaving O'Korn in at this point, I'm arguing against swapping over the top criticism of Speight for over the top optimism about O'Korn.

But for the record, 2014 O'Korn was somewhat worse than 2017 Speight.

O'Korn '14: 52% completion, 5.50 YPA, 6 TD, 8 INT

Speight '17: 54.3% completion, 7.17 YPA, 3 TD, 2 INT

Danger of small sample sizes though, as Speight has attempted fewer than half as many passes as O'Korn did in '14 (81 vs 176). 

An interesting bit, Speight has taken 8 sacks vs. '14 O'Korn's 11 (in twice as many attempts). Spin that as "Speight's had terrible protection" or "Speight holds onto the ball too long" or "O'Korn is super elusive" as your confirmation bias demands - hard to tell without detailed analysis.

EGD

September 26th, 2017 at 1:27 PM ^

My hope for Speight pre-injury was that he could achieve consistency at the level of his better 2016 performances. That wasn't happening, but it was at least a realistic hope. By that logic, O'Korn should certainly be capable as a fifth-year senior at Jim Harbaugh's Michigan of replicating his perfornance as a true freshman at Houston.

stephenrjking

September 26th, 2017 at 12:01 PM ^

We know Harbaugh is coy about discussing player info. He won't declare JOK the starter even if Speight is on a ventilator in an ICU somewhere. 

The fact that Harbaugh has said that Speight wouldn't be able to play this week tells me that the injury is reasonably rough. I think he knows that JOK is taking the field against MSU.

dragonchild

September 26th, 2017 at 12:06 PM ^

College QBs are very young men trying to learn an extremely complicated job.  So they are prone to fits and starts, explosions and regressions.  Even a positive trendline can be very messy even after removing the variables of the other ten guys out there (not to mention opposing defenses).

So it's quite possible JOK has turned a corner, in which case all the data we have prior to the Purdue game is out the window.  But that's not a given; it's a dangerous assumption to make with certainty.  It's possible.  Sometimes a light goes on.  The light can just as easily go out.  Only time will tell.

My point is that even the data we do have may be flat-out useless.  But I think for precisely that reason, Harbaugh has a track record of being very slow to pull a QB over performance, even when the backup is clearly better, because such a situation can be a very transient thing.  At Stanford and SF, he generally only switched QBs due to injury, but IF the backup outperformed the starter, the latter stayed on the bench even after recovering.  I've referred to Harbaugh's QB hysteresis before.

Nickel

September 26th, 2017 at 12:16 PM ^

[quote]...we haven't seen how O'Korn will stand up against the kinds of things Speight's been through...[/quote]

This is the thing I'm worried about. JOK showed some magician like escape skills a few times in this game. I hope that's something he can replicate, but I think the more likely scenario is that he got lucky to escape from most of those on Saturday, and those instances turn into sacks or ill-advised throws as he's going down against better defenses.

EGD

September 26th, 2017 at 1:33 PM ^

It was really only the one play where he spun out of the sack that seemed unreplicable. Otherwise O'Korn generally did his damage within the system. That play seemed to have given his confidence a major boost--maybe O'Korn wouldn't have played as well the rest of the game if that hadn't happened. But it did, and O'Korn doesn't necessarily need another play like that to continue playing well.

volnedan

September 26th, 2017 at 2:08 PM ^

You make a good point, but in direct comparion Speight didn't do jack shit against the same defense for an entire quarter.  2/4 for 10 yds, and he looked like he crapped his pants pre-game.  JOK maybe got lucky, but I'll take that performance of "luck" over Speight just turning into Navarre Statue and eating sacks.

As someone already said, we can't include what Speight did last year because he's obviously a completely different player now.  Yes, the team around him has changed, and he hasn't adjusted well.  JOK looked much better than Speight has all year.  It should be his job to lose now.