FreddieMercuryHayes

September 6th, 2017 at 11:07 AM ^

I'm very much on the side of the athletes, but man, this would totally make the gap between the have and have nots bigger. Find a diamond in the rough? Well too bad, Bama wants him for his junior year. I mean UM wild probably benefit because they could treat the smaller B1G schools and MAC like farm teams, but really screws the smaller schools on this. I'm guessing smaller schools wouldn't slow the change.

Night_King

September 6th, 2017 at 11:08 AM ^

If this passes, players with the slightest bit of impatience with regards to not playing enough early on in their collegiate careers will want to switch schools. Not sure about this one but would need to understand if there are additional limitations/further restrictions. Wonder if coaches/AD's will not let kids transfer within the division, etc...

The other side of the coin is that attrition will increase, allowing for larger recruiting classes each year. The way we are recruiting and developing talent these days, this wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing for our program. I still think it sounds a little risky.

BJNavarre

September 6th, 2017 at 11:12 AM ^

I guess if we want to see a third of every team transfer every year, this is a great idea.

If they do this, they should pay the players above the table. Everyone will be paying them under the table otherwise (even moreso than now).

ijohnb

September 6th, 2017 at 11:57 AM ^

it would.  "Recruiting" players would never stop, even after they began their playing careers.  This would have to have some limitations - i.e can only transfer once and retain eligibility, coaches could contact players on other teams during the season. 

Red is Blue

September 6th, 2017 at 11:15 AM ^

"NCAA working group is also considering raising the level of violations for schools that are found guilty of tampering, or recruiting students from other schools."

I'm sure that will work given the NCAA's stellar enforcement of its current rules.  

 

 

HAIL-YEA

September 6th, 2017 at 11:28 AM ^

want kids to get all they can get from the schools chasing them, but this rule would kill the sport. Teams would lose a bunch of backups that they spent time and effort in developing and theams that were perceived as title contenders would load up

Ali G Bomaye

September 6th, 2017 at 11:31 AM ^

I completely disagree. For one, backups that teams spent time and effort in developing almost certainly wouldn't transfer to title contenders, because they'd be likely to be backups there, as well. Second, I care a lot more about the players' right to go to college where they would like and transfer if they like than teams' ability to force them to stay.

Fieldy'sNuts

September 6th, 2017 at 11:31 AM ^

They should implement a rule that says head coaches have to sit out a year if they want to change jobs. Fair is fair. 

Denard P. Woodson

September 6th, 2017 at 12:04 PM ^

It drives me crazy when people bag on kids for sitting out a bowl game in an efffort to safguard what is potentially their entire family's one time chance at financial security.

Almost no one said anything when Herman left Houston for Texas before the bowl game.

Here is a guys who has already made a few million and had just signed a contract to secure generational wealth.  Everyone was fine with him leaving the players he recruited before the end of their season.  The kids to whom he preached team unity and loyality.  And he left before the bowl game only so he can get a few weeks head start in recruiting.

Man, the power structure in college sports (actually in this entie country) does a good job of getting people outraged when lesser opportunity or lower income individuals protect their personal interests, while deflecting worse behavior by the already powerful.

I hate the idea of unfettered college player free agency, but it is already available for the rich coaches.

ak47

September 6th, 2017 at 11:38 AM ^

Just turn this into the contracts they are.  Pay players, a scholarship is gauranteed for 5 years (it can take longer to graduate because you are playing a sport), and players have to sit out a year to transfer unless certain things happen.  If a player violates certain rules or procedures they can have their scholarship voided, if a coach leaves or a post season ban is implemented players can transfer with no penalty. It is easy to fix but as long as the ncaa allows the players to get screwed at every turn I'm going to support the players having every freedome imaginable regardless of what it does to the game. 

Tuebor

September 6th, 2017 at 11:51 AM ^

If they have less than 60 credits let them transfer without sitting out.  If they have more make them sit since most schools only take 60 credits and as such it would be in their best interest to stay put to graduate sooner.

kyeblue

September 6th, 2017 at 11:40 AM ^

it protests the stability of the programs. We already see how the graduate transfers have ripped less programs their best upperclass man, it would be total chaos if everyone can transfer with zero hurdle. Recruiting from high school will be less important if you can recruite best veteran players from less programs. 

If they have to reduce the one year sitting-out requirement, make it as "if a player appeared in n games the previous season, they are allowed to play after sitting out the first n games after transferring." 

 

 

 

 

 

Denard P. Woodson

September 6th, 2017 at 11:47 AM ^

I hate all of the restrictions on college players, but this rule could destroy college sports and lead to offseason anarchy.

A)     If you think bagmen are a problem now, wait until an Auburn booster is “talking” to a starting sophomore DB at ND or UM and trying to convince him to move back closer to home. $$$

B)      When coaches leave, could a player go with him?  If so, coaching searches would become “who can you bring with you” searches.  What happens if a coach gets fired?  Think of someone like a Freshman J Peppers that commits to Hoke, then Hoke gets fired after 1 year.  These coaches have built relationships for years with these players.  If the coaches and players feel that the coaches have been wronged or fired unjustly, couldn’t a kid feel disloyal if he DIDN’T follow this fired coach?  A coach that he has seen as a father figure and whom the player feels is a victim?

I agree that the whole “amateur” college sports machine is morally ambiguous as it is.  But if Coach Cal can leave Kentucky and take 5 players with him, UNLV is always 6 months and a $20MM/year contract away from creating a top 5 program potentially worth hundreds of millions of dollars to them.

UM Fan from Sydney

September 6th, 2017 at 11:47 AM ^

The current rule is fine. As someone pointed out already, there will be many more transfers, which just makes things more difficult.

Red is Blue

September 6th, 2017 at 1:25 PM ^

What about mid-season transfers.  Have a very good team, but just lost your starting QB for a year?  Play for team for 3/4 of the year and then transfer to the team's rival two weeks before the big game.  

Both of these situations seem like bagmen would be awfully incentivized.

A2toGVSU

September 6th, 2017 at 11:51 AM ^

Players are eligible to play right away if: 1) They were in good academic standing at the time of their release from the previous school, AND 2) They are transferring down a rung in competition (P5 to G5, G5 to FCS, FCS to D2, etc) If a player wants to transfer from one P5 school to another and be immediately eligible, there needs to be some burden of proof placed on the player that they were somehow misled or mistreated by their coach. Also, be in good academic standing.

kyeblue

September 6th, 2017 at 11:55 AM ^

recruits and current players will be pushed out in favor of more seasoned transfers. Big Ten programs will trade with MAC programs. Even worse, certain programs can form alliance to develop a farming system when most young players would start their careering playing for less program to get experience, while be promised opportunity to transfer whenever they are ready to a big stage. Even without certain finicial arrangement can be made to compensate the less program, the less program can be benefited from the interests of fans from bigger programs.  

 

 

lilpenny1316

September 6th, 2017 at 12:00 PM ^

You end up turning the FCS and non-Power 5 schools into the minor leagues for the Power 5.

If I want to go to Alabama but their class is full the year I graduate, I could just go to Alabama A&M for 1-2 years, take fluff classes to get a really high GPA, then transfer over when they have an open scholarship.  That's the way I'd do it.

M-Dog

September 6th, 2017 at 12:35 PM ^

This is a slippery slope.

Schools like Michigan could just go raid a lesser program for their unfilled / unforseen roster needs whenever they felt like it.

As soon as a player at a leser-level school has a good year, he'll just be plucked away by one of the elite P5 programs.  

Those programs have always had to deal with that happening to their coaching staffs, now they'll have to deal with that happening to their players too,  They'll be lucky to field a coherent team.

No team will ever have a 3-deep.  Those guys will just leave for playing time elsewhere.

And don't even get started on what a field day this will be for bagmen.  They'll keep working kids until they are completely done with college.  Let Auburn buy Cam Newton this year, we'll just buy him back next year.  

Some players will wind up playing for a different school each year of eligibility.  Highest bidder wins each year.

There is a reason the sit-out-a-year rule was put in in the first place.  This kind of thing used to happen all the time and they had to put an end to it.  

Now they want to open up that can of worms again?

 

ak47

September 6th, 2017 at 11:52 PM ^

If playing for a different school every year is what is best for the individual players why should that be denied to them?  If the schools can offer scholarships in one year increments I don't see why athletes shouldn't be able to offer commitments in one year increments.  If you want to lock in a player you have to give them some sort of protection in return.

ijohnb

September 6th, 2017 at 12:48 PM ^

a player wants to transfer without sitting, he should just be made to pass some kind of Fear Factor test, i.e eat a bunch of worms, lie in a coffin, etc.  Nothing too crazy, but enough to make him earn it.

Gr1mlock

September 6th, 2017 at 1:12 PM ^

Not a fan of this.  Yes it gives more kids freedom, and lets a guy who's been stuck on the depth chart go somewhere better, but in actuality, it'll just make it easier for top tier schools to raid mid majors for any decent player.  Plus, you'll have coaches who have to spend half their time recruiting their own players to ensure everyone stays, especially their high value/young backups.   I think this would honestly be a mess. I'm all for loosening transfer restrictions, or giving waivers more generously based on coach conduct, but a free agent free for all seems like an absolute recipe for disaster.   

CRISPed in the DIAG

September 6th, 2017 at 1:12 PM ^

I agree with much of what has been said upthread, but transfers could easily work in the other direction.  Highly touted players who find themselves buried on the depth chart could find playing time at other schools - P5 or otherwise.

Lasell

September 6th, 2017 at 1:17 PM ^

Seems like the problem is that good players will get poached and there is a loss in parity. Downside is that the kids lose, espcially those who are having a tough time at the current school. Let kids leave P5 schools for non-P5 schools do so without having to wait a year or something like that. 

Marley Nowell

September 6th, 2017 at 1:40 PM ^

The NCAA's number one priority should be what is best for the players. Allowing them to transfer immediately after a coaching change, sanctions, or if they have completed X amount of credits would be the best for them.

Jonesy

September 6th, 2017 at 1:52 PM ^

Should replace grad transfers with a one time any time transfer with no sitting out...also should allow players take only a half load then finish their degree for free after their eligibility is up.

bob_ufer

September 6th, 2017 at 2:11 PM ^

The current rule is in place to keep schools from more actively recruiting kids from other teams - if you don't have this (sit out) rule it will be crazy.

Solecismic

September 6th, 2017 at 5:22 PM ^

While I think the proposed change is fair, it takes another chunk out of the illusion that revenue sports at major colleges are amateur events. It will also hurt mid-majors, as a player who is rapidly developing into an NFL prospect would have considerable incentive to transfer for his junior or senior year. Would this be balanced by a flow of major-college players dropping down a level because they lose their jobs to transfers? I was working on an estimate of the source of NFL player-seasons, and my best guess is that 70% of NFL experience comes from the power five plus Notre Dame. I think that would go up significantly with this rule. I still wonder how Malik Zaire is progressing with his Master's degree. For that matter, did Jake Rudock ever get his Master's in movement science (I know he was close)?

JTGoBlue

September 6th, 2017 at 7:33 PM ^

This would give a significant advantage to FBS schools not named Michigan, Stanford, Notre Dame, etc. mid major conferences would become a d-league for the MSUs and second tier SEC schools (except Vandy).

UM Griff

September 6th, 2017 at 8:07 PM ^

For situations like Baylor or PSU, otherwise the transfer rule should remain in place. Commitments are made to be kept; and part of growing up is learning to finish what you start.

ak47

September 6th, 2017 at 11:55 PM ^

Find it pretty interesting that people are more concerned about the depth chart of smalltime schools than they do about what is best for the individual atheltes.  If any athletes have restrictions the same thing should apply to coaches. If coaches have to wait a year when switching schools than so can athletes, if they can transfer with no penalty because that is what is best for them regardless of how it impacts the school they are leaving well than that should be true for the athletes too.