Bad mgoblog Twitter post is bad

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If somebody could please embed for me, but here is the link. https://mobile.twitter.com/mgoblog/status/897134505030545408 I think some of us need to separate the real world and sports world sometimes. I understand the premise as far as the ridiculous moral victory headlines, but to put MSU and what happened on Saturday next to each other is pretty shitty.

UMinSF

August 16th, 2017 at 5:52 AM ^

I studied poli sci and mom was a librarian. I understand sourcing and attribution – neither of which you’ve done whatsoever. I’m not going to footnote a blog post. 

Regarding Sirhan, your statement contradicts itself. RFK was a leftie who acted against his political viewpoint to support Israel, but Sirhan must have been a leftie in every way because of his opposition to support of Israel. Did I get that right?

Sirhan was born in then-Palestine, was a Jordanian citizen, and moved to the US when he was 12.

It’s not surprising that someone born in Palestine would be opposed to US support of Israel in the 6-day War. In itself, it offers absolutely no indication of his overall political viewpoint.

Many sources say he was born, raised, and devoutly Christian – he didn’t “allegedly explore” Christianity. You’re right, his religious affiliation doesn’t indicate his political leanings any more than does his opposition to the US support for Israel in the 6-Day War.  If you have reliable sources that affirm his “leftie” beliefs, I'll accept it. 

“doesn’t make him a repub.” – as Reagan said, “There you go again”. I responded to your argument about “lefties”, and mentioned nothing about political parties. 

Re: Nixon’s “Southern Strategy”

Kevin Phillips was a Nixon strategist, widely acknowledged as the primary architect of his “southern strategy”.  From a NYT profile:

“Kevin Phillips plots the emerging Republican majority, its common denominator is hostility to blacks and browns among slipping Democrats and abandonment of the Democratic party because of its identification with the colored minorities.”

“Phillips had one conspicuous campaign success—the urging of an Outer South Strategy aimed at capturing Florida, Tennessee, North Carolina and Virginia, as opposed to the Deep South Strategy that had carried Wallace territory for Goldwater in 1964, but at the cost of frightening away millions of potential voters elsewhere.”

Phillips' own words:

“Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.”

“My argument was this: Your outer Southerners who live in the Ozark and Appalachian mountain ranges and in the Piedmont upcountry—and now in urban‐suburban Florida and Texas—have always had different interests than the Negrophobe plantation owners of the Black Belt. This is a less extreme conservative group. It adheres with other Republican constituencies across the country and can be appealed to without fragmenting the coalition. When you are after political converts, start with the less extreme and wait for the extremists to come into line when their alternatives collapse.”

Ken Mehlman – GOP Chairman in 2005

"Some Republicans gave up on winning the African American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."

Finally, Giffords' shooter. Yes, he did drugs. No, his political affiliation isn’t clear.

“He’s an independent who didn’t vote in the 2010 election.”

I already provided one attributed quote; here are more:

“Democrats paint him as "an anti-government, Tea Party conservative; "Republicans say his reading list suggests he's a "left-wing wacko." “

“Though the evidence seems to indicate Loughner lacks a fixed ideology (outside of anti-government sentiment) and may be mentally unstable, many have drawn conclusions about his political leanings. Some have cast him as a conservative and blamed Sarah Palin and Tea Party influences for his actions, while others have cast him as a "lunatic liberal."”

I’m done with this.

drjaws

August 15th, 2017 at 11:57 PM ^

have to say on this blog XM. But that post was stupid quite frankly. Nazi's et al you mention are right wing ideologies, regardless of what they were named. Most domestic terrorists are hard right-wingers (McVeigh, Roof et al.). However, assigning their terror to all people who are "conservative" is flat out wrong. But mostly it's stupid because it is full of gross generalizations that do not apply to 99.99999% of people on either side of the left v right spectrum. Your stance on abortion is absolutely ridiculous. It is a legal medical procedure and 100% the womans choice. But you act like it's "lefty driven racial genocide." EDIT for some reason this posted as a response to someone else.

xtramelanin

August 16th, 2017 at 4:54 AM ^

but finding a handful of wingnuts who now say they are 'right wing' isn't much proof.   even the southern law poverty center called environmental extremists (always left) the greatest domestic terrorist threat and that the SLPC is no friend of the right.  also, 'terror' includes riots and violence which again, is owned by the left world-wide.

as to abortion, when they are cutting up the babies' body parts and selling them i'm sorry, that isn't 'medical procedure' any more than lethal injection is.   it is left driven genocide - it is an absolute requirement of the democrat party who now say they won't support any pro-life candidates.   it was founded by margaret sanger (admired by hitler) who hated blacks and people with special needs.  she was a leftie and her plan kills black children at a rate that is shocking:  more black children are killed in some places than are allowed to be born.  roll that around in your head for a minute.  more killed than birthed.  that is indeed genocide.  

Everyone Murders

August 16th, 2017 at 7:38 AM ^

I have passionate feelings and deep-seated feelings about a lot of these issues.  They're well thought-out and quite interesting to me.  And I'm even capable of arguing in a civil discourse about them at the right time and place, provided I'm not met with bumper-sticker arguments from whoever I'm chatting with.

Another passionate feeling I have is that this is not the forum to try to sway folks on the abortion topic or most of these other politically-charged topics.

(I will say that calling Nazis "left-wing" is a bit out there - love you, XM, but that's just not tenable.)

TIMMMAAY

August 16th, 2017 at 7:26 PM ^

There is really only one thing that I've drawn from all of your posts. 

We are fucked. 

I've been coming to the realization that we are far more divided as a country and "culture" than I used to think. It will get far worse before it gets better. I believe I will be on the "right" side (not your context of right) of history. I'm sure you believe the same. One of us is very, very wrong. 

I won't even try to debunk any of the things you have posted here today, because "facts" can be twisted and manipulated to say what any given person wants them to say, if you have the wit. You clearly have that, at the least. 

ST3

August 15th, 2017 at 3:04 PM ^

Vice news had a reporter embedded with the alt-right group. Letting them speak allows their nonsense to be heard and rejected. There's no normalizing their ideas. You don't have to filter their message through the left or right media. Let them convict themselves through their own words and actions.


DCmissingAnnArbor

August 15th, 2017 at 2:56 PM ^

The best thing we can do is turn our backs on them. They WANT to stir things up, to create a media splash. How much media will really cover them if there isn't violence and hateful shouting over the top of a police barricade? It is absurd to think that showing up to a hate speech event and shouting slogans would make them have less hate in their hearts.

The point of a "March for ____" is to generate attention. Don't give them what they want.

ijohnb

August 15th, 2017 at 3:01 PM ^

I don't know.  It is getting to the point in this country that silence in the face of this kind of thought and behavior would not be seen as silent rejection but instead tacit acceptance or approval.

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TrueBlue2003

August 15th, 2017 at 6:38 PM ^

absolutely teach your kids acceptance, absolutely talk about and recognize real issues as much as possible.  There are enough (too many) cases of actual, real-life racism and bigotry about which you can be very loud.  Be aware of and denounce these rallys and anyone who believes in this flawed ideology.

But there is nothing productive about being there shouting at these guys in person.  Someone else mentioned it above.  It will only fuel them. It will only keep them in the news. It will only give them the recruiting footage they want.

HL2VCTRS

August 15th, 2017 at 8:18 PM ^

That's what we've been doing. All it does is keep these people and their way of thinking in the dark corners of society. Over time, they bring others to their dark corners until one day somebody comes along that validates their way of thinking and they feel like they can emerge. I don't want them in the dark corner where they are out of sight just waiting for their time. I want their way of thinking eradicated. I want their neighbors, their family, and others in the community to know that this is wrong and that as Americans we won't tolerate their bullshit. I want it to be visible that they are moral outcasts from society. It won't change their beliefs but maybe it will discourage somebody else who starts to think it's okay to think like them. It's time to stop ignoring them and time to stand against them. Edit: in case there is any confusion, I certainly don't mean using violence. My point is that silence and turning our backs on them won't work.

Tyrone Biggums

August 15th, 2017 at 3:08 PM ^

Unfortunatley we as a society lack the compassion and empathy to see that we're much stronger united than divided. Not to mention all the propaganda and social engineering going on these days.

Stay vigilant and mindful of the fuckery my friends, no matter what colors you align yourself with.

And on that note, fuck Sparty, to hell with Notre Dame. Beat OSU fergodsake!

Perkis-Size Me

August 15th, 2017 at 2:31 PM ^

I'm guessing you're joking, but on the off chance you're not, I'd re-consider. I wouldn't want to risk being the next 6pm news story about getting run over by someone's car. Not at all saying you shouldn't go out and voice your opinion, but for the love of god stay back and keep your hands to yourself. 

It's like trying to pick a fight at a bar. You never know who's had one too many drinks or who decided they were bringing a knife with them in case anyone got in their face. 

MGoneBlue

August 15th, 2017 at 3:16 PM ^

Do worse: point and laugh.

"Hey guys, thanks for bringing tiki torches, but the luau's the other side of town."

"What, Walmart's out of pitchforks?"

"Really?  REALLY?  It's brown COATS, not brown PANTS.  Fascism 101, here."

"Wait, YOU'RE the Master Race?  I'd ask for a refund."

"Being a Nazi may make you look edgy, but look buddy, you still won't get laid."

I got a million of em.

Gucci Mane

August 15th, 2017 at 3:56 PM ^

So pathetic that people think the best way to stop these "nazis" is to shout at them from across a street. This is a much bigger problem than that. No one seems to want to use reason. There are of course some white men who are despicable people and can never be reached, but there are some people who feel marginalized with the way media and culture portrays them. It is possible to reach those people with reason and not shouting. This type of progress does not happen at a protest. I honestly believe counter protests only help fuel the fire and create more harm.

Reader71

August 15th, 2017 at 8:26 PM ^

The vast majority of those many white men that feel marginalized with the way media and society present them are not members of fascist organizations. The ones that are likely cannot be reasoned with. And you seem to imply that white men, when feeling marginalized, either tend to fascism or are in some way less culpable for turning to fascism. I went through a very tough period, felt very marginalized, and never thought about running people over with my car.

Sopwith

August 15th, 2017 at 4:47 PM ^

the best way to marginalize these people is exposing them on social media for who they are. Extracting social costs did as much to keep this sort of thing down for decades as any physical confrontation or even legislation. 

As a card-carrying member of the ACLU, defending the right of Nazis to march is in my DNA. The right to oppose and disgrace them is, too. 

Tunneler

August 15th, 2017 at 7:02 PM ^

Would you defend the Westboro Baptist Assholes right to protest at a serviceman's funeral?  When their family is at their lowest?  Decency should be a consideration...

I think legislation is in place now that the WBA must be about a mile away to protest.  It was long overdue.

Sopwith

August 15th, 2017 at 7:26 PM ^

I've actually seen those lunatics at a funeral I attended. It's hard to imagine such people exist, but there they were in the flesh. 

The 2012 restrictions kept them 300 ft. (which isn't THAT far, really) from any family members and I believe there were time restrictions about how long before/after the services they could show up. I don't recall a1st Am. challenge in the courts on that particular law but it's likely treated the same way as abortion protest restrictions and those imposed on political protests at the party national conventions ("safe zones") where courts tend to defer to public safety concerns. 

But to answer the question... I do support their right to protest short of deliberately inciting violence. Not because of a "slippery slope" argument, which is a great way to score a D in a constitutional law class. Rather, because if the state can show a balance of harms between reasonable restrictions on free speech (which happens all the time) in exchange for public safety, that's something we as a society can live with, even if the preference of 99.9% of us is that these people would crawl into the world's deepest hole and stay there.

 

uminks

August 16th, 2017 at 3:00 AM ^

They stand at  the street corner in front of my church cursing  everyone out and holding  up their dirty little signs. I feel like going over and breaking their signs and shoving it up their ass. But the best thing  to do is to ignore them. They spread their hate by trying to confront  you plus they have a bunch of lawyers in their racist little klan that go around suing people or municipalities that attack them or will not let them protests. They made some $ in the last 20 years suing cities that refused to let them protest. Ignoring them seems to be working in the last 5 years. Their little group is dwindling and they are not traveling around the country like they use to 10 years ago. The one mile restriction may have worked making them invisible to most and reducing the attention they seek at fallen veteran's funerals.

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wolverine1987

August 15th, 2017 at 2:54 PM ^

I may be reacting to all the outrage I read when the tweet happened. I guess what I'm saying that may be diferent from you today is basically so what? I find the tweet in questionable taste, but at the same time I'm totally fine with it and have no issue whatsoever with Brian sending it. 

zeda_p

August 15th, 2017 at 3:17 PM ^

It's so facinating to see how intolerant we are to other people's opinions and their right to express them. In fact, we socially bully them when we think they are morally unjust (which is quite ironic, with all the anti-bullying messaging that's going on in middle schools and high schools). 

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panthera leo fututio

August 15th, 2017 at 2:40 PM ^

The joke reads to me as "look at these other jabronis who also tried to claim victory in abject failure." I don't see this as minimizing the awfulness of neo-Nazism, but as painting it in an (appropriately) absurd and pathetic light. Reasonable interpretations might vary, but I really don't get the moral outrage.