I never saw this posted about Devontae Dobbs

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http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/2017/08/04/top-uncommit…

Detroit — Five-star Belleville junior offensive tackle Devontae Dobbs says Michigan’s coaches are still not talking to him much.

The 6-4, 290-pound prospect, ranked the No. 2 offensive tackle in the nation for 2019 by Scout.com, currently has 26 offers and says he’s not leaning toward any one school. He added, however, that he thinks Ohio State, where he likes the game day atmosphere, would be one of his top teams.

“Especially after the Michigan game, the fans just went all on the field,” Dobbs said Friday during a Sound Mind Sound Body leadership forum in Detroit.

Dobbs recently visited Michigan State, where he talked to coach Mark Dantonio. He said his favorite thing about Michigan State is the positivity of the coaches.

“I’m working on helping my teammates get better,” Dobbs said. “The coaches want me to continue what I’ve been doing, just get stronger. I want to commit before my senior year.”

FatGuyTouchdown

August 8th, 2017 at 12:17 PM ^

Trevor Keegan. He's one of my favorite linemen in this class. He comes from a school that produced Fahn Cooper from Ole Miss, Jake Bernstein from Vanderbilt, and a couple of Bowling Green kids. There's an OLine specialist in our area that both of us have been coached by who has coached Bryan Bulaga, Kyle Bosch (kicked him out for being an asshole), and a host of guys that ended up at Notre Dame and other good D1 programs. 

Long story short, he's probably one of the most polished and ready to play players in his class. Get excited because he's legit. 

bamf16

August 8th, 2017 at 12:21 PM ^

Yeah, rankings matter, but there are definitely faults to find.

 

Before they arrive on campus, I'm more concerned with the list of offers a player receives. Afterwards, it's about the coaching they receive. A guy I used to coach with would often say something like, "A guy who runs faster than another but doesn't know where to go just runs himself further out of position."

 

Case in point: Wilton Speight was a 3 star recruit whose other offers were NC State and Miami (FL).

 

Alex Malzone was much higher "ranked" by the recruiting sites, and a lot of people bought in to the 4* ranking. But his only other two Power 5 offers were Pitt and Wake Forest.

 

Dobbs has not only a good recruiting "ranking" but an impressive list of offers as well, so I think it's pretty clear there's something else going on that we as fans don't know about...

Maizen

August 8th, 2017 at 12:28 PM ^

There are offers and then there are "offers." I don't find that rationale more reliable than the rankings. Jourdan Lewis for example only had two offers but was a top 150 recruit. Not every recruit is going to pan out, but generally speaking the higher rated the recruit the higher the chance he's going to be a good player.

nerv

August 8th, 2017 at 2:23 PM ^

Haha Maizen you truly are a special kind. Graduated from Beilein concern trolling to Harbaugh. You're kind of a one trick pony when it comes to the point you try to make.. you have to switch it up if you're trying to reach that next level of trolling. Kind of hard for folk to take you serious when Harbaugh has landed two 5 star recruits in the last week, don't you think? Nah of course you know that but you're bored today and looking to rile people up.

Troll on good sir. Keep trying to convince everyone you believe Barton Simmons is a better evaluator of football talent than Jim Harbaugh.

Maizen

August 8th, 2017 at 3:59 PM ^

And keep trying to convince yourself recruiting rankings don't matter when every piece of data we have says they do. I'm sure Kurt Taylor is going to lead the team in rushing this year too, after all, recruiting rankings are nonsense.

nerv

August 9th, 2017 at 1:00 AM ^

Sorry guy youre a broken record to me. You post the exact same thing in every thread. Get more 5 stars. It doesnt matter how much data, fact, rational thought, or common sense people come at you with.. you respond with the same line every time "get more 5 stars" 

Every thread you post on you lose another few hundred points, sooner or later you'll be washed up in bolivia like many a concern troll before you. At the very least you need to change up your routine.

TrueBlue2003

August 9th, 2017 at 1:37 AM ^

you actually made a valid point in your last sentence.  Not sure why you screwed it up by saying you'll trust the recruiting "experts" (whose opinions don't mean squat compared to just looking at someone's offer list) before that.

The experts are the coaches.  And in this case, you're right that some fairly credible talent evaluators clearly like the guy.  That's all you needed to say.

mgobaran

August 8th, 2017 at 9:28 AM ^

Even if he did, I'd rather posters keep that to themselves when it comes to talking about a 16/17 year old kid. Seems like the staff is cool on him, and he is cool on Michigan. Harbaugh has proven the best in Michigan are a priority to him. He obviously doesn't rate there with the staff. Whether that is because he is 6'4", or he is unathletic enough for the position without the flexibility/willingness to move inside, or he has an attitude. It doesn't matter. 

I think it's best to move on from him as a fan base and just wish Dobbs good luck with his future endevors. And if by some chance things turn around and he comes into the fold. Well that would be great too! We wouldn't want to have to apologize for dragging his name thru the mud because you're insecure about losing out on a kid who is rated as a 5* before he even played one snap as a Junior in High School.

redjugador24

August 8th, 2017 at 12:31 PM ^

The kid isn't even a Junior in high school yet.  Until he ends up somewhere else and plays like a 5* in college let's give Harbaugh the benefit of the doubt here and assume that he just doesn't have him ranked as high as some of the scouting services for whatever reason.  

Also, having offers from Alabama, OSU, etc. doesn't necessarly mean they're showing MORE interest than UM - because he does have a UM offer.

It's still extremely early in his recruiting process ('19) and I don't think they really risk losing any ground with him if he has an offer, talks to the staff at least somewhat, and lives within 30 minutes of A2.  If the kid wants to land at UM and UM wants him, it will work out.  

True Blue Grit

August 8th, 2017 at 1:25 PM ^

in THIS case at least, the staff doesn't  think he's a good match with what they're looking for at that position?  If you can, forget about the star rating for a moment.  There are many intangible factors that most of us can't possibly know about Dobbs, any one of which might significant in the staff not being interested in him.  Whatever, it is, who cares?  I prefer to focus on the players Michigan IS recruiting actively and our chances in signing them.  Dobbs obviously isn't one of them.  

drjaws

August 8th, 2017 at 2:06 PM ^

That way, you can keep coming on MGoBlog and doing your "blah blah blah STARZ ARE ALL THAT MATTERS blah blah blah BEILEIN CANT RECRUIT blah blah blah" schtick and it STILL won't matter to anyone or change anything.

buddha

August 8th, 2017 at 2:33 PM ^

Although I can appreciate Maizen's comments aren't always well received, I don't think he's saying "STARZ ARE ALL THAT MATTERS." 

There's a very fair discussion to be had about Dobbs. Why is it that our arch-rival who has consistently beat us for the past 15 years as well as national-champion winning coaches are high on this kid and UM is not? Maybe there is some fair reasoning to it, maybe not. I won't pretend to understand. But, at minimum, the optics are strange. He plays a position of need and focus; he is rated high on all scouting services; he's in UM's backyard; and, every other marquee team in the country seemingly wants this kid. That's strange to say the least. 

schreibee

August 8th, 2017 at 10:10 PM ^

It IS strange!

SO strange you simply HAVE to say "Hmmmmm"

Any precedence of a player rated this highly from the state being offered but not really pursued? If so how'd the players career turn out?

Obviously JH has been here such a short time there isn't even any basis yet to see how players he elects to not vigorously pursue turn out.

But in the case of this one particular player, it's been apparent for some time now- apparent because the kid says it to the media at every opportunity - that he's not being pursued to the degree he FEELS he should be.

For whatever that's worth

Honk if Ufer M…

August 8th, 2017 at 3:24 PM ^

You're not comparing him to the other lineman we're recruting and you have no idea if he's better or worse than who we'll get instead of him if they have their eyes on other people over him. Do you think we should automaticaly prioritize every local 5 star over everyone else so we don't miss out on them or lose them to a rival no matter who else is out there that's a better fit or a better player or fills a need more?

 

war-dawg69

August 9th, 2017 at 9:05 AM ^

Red had good explanation and way of looking at Dobb's recrutiment. The thing is if he ends up at Michigan you are going to look real stupid. If he goes somewhere else and is not all that you are going to look even dumber. If he goes somewhere else and is an all-american then you are not so dumb. You can tell the kid wants to go to Michigan, so maybe after evaluating his JUNIOR year he may become a priority with the staff. I personally feel at this point the staff likes Keegan and Brown a little more. They are all top five guys so I think Michigan's staff knows exactly what they are doing. Dobb's may blow up this year and the staff gives him his love and unboard he comes. Win Win and you get your five star if he is still one and hasn't been passed by two guys who I think are all Michigan. Both 6'6'' monsters. Michigan is in great shape and may end up with the #1 recruiting class in the nation and Dobb's could very easily be part of that.

maize-blue

August 8th, 2017 at 9:21 AM ^

It seems pretty obvious now that the staff isn't recruiting him hard or at all. There must be a reason for it and probably a solid one, but who knows...... Crootin'!!!

JayMo4

August 8th, 2017 at 9:24 AM ^

It would be a much bigger concern if Michigan wanted him badly and he wasn't receptive. If the staff doesn't want him, that says something about something, but doesn't mean we are unable to attract talent. There's no way to know for sure until a few seasons have passed. If he ends up being a big timer for OSU, we'll be outraged of course. If he disappears, no one will remember that time the coaches pursued better options.

schreibee

August 8th, 2017 at 10:33 PM ^

Oh, you can bet I'll remember either way - and if he isn't the can't miss star his pre-Jr year of HS rating says he should be I'll be reminding Maizen every time he posts his drivel, in perpetuity!

And if he is, we know he'll do the same...

That's family!

HHW

August 8th, 2017 at 9:26 AM ^

We know JH is going to recruit players with a similar attitude to his regarding competition and playing football. I will assume JH and staff don't see that in Devontae. My guess is JH would've passed on McDowell too.

Hannibal.

August 8th, 2017 at 9:30 AM ^

For whatever reason, Harbaugh does not appear to put any priority on Midwest kids over national kids. If a bunch of big programs love the kid, then I don't see how you don't make room for him.  I'd like to see Harbaugh go after these kids more since if you take a kid from SEC territory, you hurt a team that is not on our schedule, but if you take a kid from our backyard, you hurt MSU, PSU, or OSU.  MSU (and especially Dantonio) is great at capitalizing on kids who have a chip on their shoulder because UM didn't recruit them hard enough. 

Hannibal.

August 9th, 2017 at 10:13 AM ^

And in 2016 we got 2 outof the top 20. In 2018, we currently have 1 out of the Top 15. This thread is about a Top 50 OL from Michigan with interest from national powerhouses that we are pretty much ignoring.  If that's not putting a low priority on our backyard, then I don't know what is. 

We have, for all intents and purposes, also had absolutely no presence at all in Ohio.  Our 2016 class had zero Ohio commits.  Our 2017 class had a paltry three Ohio commits out of 30 total, and only one of those guys was even in the state's Top  15.  Our 2018 class has zero commits,   And in most cases, it's not like we lost any down-to-the-wire recruiting for Ohio kids.  We didn't even recruit them. 

For as long as I have been following recruiting, Michigan and Ohio have formed the nucleus of the Michigan football team.  Harbaugh is taking a markedly different approach.  To argue otherwise by pointing out the lone exception to the rule is profoundly idiotic.

There's a lot of room for debate on whether itis a wise strategy to do this.  We are getting some great talent from the Southeast, but not every kid that we are pulling out of SEC territory is a 5-star kid.  There have been lots of fliers.   I'd rather not see Michigan State pulling in Top 20 recruiting classes (like they did in 2016) loaded with guys that are obviously talented enough to play for Michigan while we add longshot guys from SEC territory or the Northeast.  I'd also rather not OSU go completely unchallenged by Michigan in their home state.  They are stockpiling talent at a level that we have never seen there. 

 

reddogrjw

August 9th, 2017 at 10:36 AM ^

that isn't a smart way to look at it

 

2016, according to the 247 composite, there were 9 composite 4 stars

Michigan got #1 and #5

#2 and #8 have been expelled from Michigan State

 

in 2016 we got the top 6 and 7 of the top 8 out of 10 total 4-stars on the composite

#9 was an MSU legacy, #10 was a 5'9" CB - too short for us, and #7 was a LB we did not recruit because we got 3 higher rated ones from elsewhere

 

2018 - 7 4stars at the moment - we have #2, 4 and 6 in the 247 composite

we have discussed #1 - McCall

#3 is a CB (Gervin who we have discussed) we are not pursuing - probably not tall enough

#5 is Sampson, a center with very few power 5 offers

#7 is a QB and we got a higher rated one from Florida

 

 

2019 - currently 10-4stars

we are pushing for #'s 2, 4 and 5 at the moment

 

 

so no, we are not ignoring the state of Michigan, we are selectively pushing for the top guys we like

reddogrjw

August 9th, 2017 at 11:02 AM ^

Michigan vs. OSU

in Michigan, OSU has gotten 1 4-star since 2016 - and it was in 2016

2016 - 1 out of 9

2017 - 0/10

2018 - 0/7

2019 - 0/10

totals 1/36 - about 3%

 

Michigan in Ohio for 4-stars and up

2016 - 0/12

2017 - 1/17

2018 - 0/14

2019 - 1/10

totals 2/53 - about 4%

 

basically we are pulling 4-stars from Ohio like OSU is pulling 4-stars from Michigan

 

nothing to see here

redwhiteandMGOBLUE

August 8th, 2017 at 9:49 AM ^

just to "...hurt MSU, PSU, or OSU.  MSU (and especially Dantonio)" is so far outside of Harbaugh's M.O. it's comical to even consider.

Harbaugh and his staff have specific traits and capabilities they're looking for in recruits and for whatever reason Dobbs currently isn't a match. Maybe things change in the futre and he eventually gets an offer, who knows?

But to suggest taking him and use up a scholarship spot just to "hurt" a B1G school is not something I ever imagine this staff doing.