A Dude

July 11th, 2017 at 10:39 AM ^

How there can be this much hate for an indepth series that highlights Michigan and other players in the conference.  I look forward to these posts because there is only so many things to talk about before camp starts.  Even the recruiting roundups can be tedious since they are filled mostly with "top *" lists and not as many commitments.

If you really hate it, don't read it.  But I will continue to look forward to the first one, and the following 10 as they get posted. 

A Dude

July 11th, 2017 at 10:52 AM ^

I would read that just as well and then it would be in an actual ranked order without team designations dictating spots.

But that being said, I enjoy fantasy football so I do enjoy the chaotic nature of it all where someone goes a bit to high so they aren't left with a bad qb and then someone slips somehow that everyone forgot about.

Different Strokes for Different Folks.

But out of all the things that get posted on this site, this is the one that just blows my mind for being so hated.  Its just football content and snark.  

Sopwith

July 11th, 2017 at 11:55 AM ^

because a list is organized in a cognitively useful format.

The great information guru Edward Tufte (Google if you're not familiar with his books) gives a seminar on presenting data and includes a segment on what he considers the best-designed websites in the world. You know what he considers the best from a usable, cognitively intuitive point of view?

Craigslist. 

blue in dc

July 11th, 2017 at 5:02 PM ^

It wouldn't just be a list, but rather a list with all the in depth analysis that goes into the rankings. The iriny of this whole debate is that many of the people who dislike draftaggeden seem to do so because there is a ton of useful cintent buried in a challenging format. Actually using a fantasy drafting style is really a brilliant (amd probably fun) way to compile the raw rankings and insights, that unfortunately doesn't male it a great way to present them. i suspect using the draft results, and retaining much of the dialogue about those insights would be much better recieved as a list of top players by position as determined by the mgoblog draft.

NRK

July 11th, 2017 at 11:54 AM ^

Agree with this mostly - I think a top 5-10 by position for the Big 10 would be interesting.I get the purpose behind why they are doing it, I just don't like the approach.

And I say this was someone is big into NFL fantasy football.

 

 

Ron Utah

July 11th, 2017 at 3:04 PM ^

Although I'd rather see the Top 100, and I'd like to see at least two players at each position, and I'd like to see the Top 100 sorted by position with a discussion of each position.  I'd also like to see comparisons between the best players in the conference and their counterparts at Michigan.

The thing about using a list format, or going by position, or whatever, is that it would give more opportunities for comparable data points, visuals, and help us digest all of the useful information that the staff are already putting into each pick.  Sure, Minnesota has a DT that looks pretty good...how about a visual comparison with him, Hurst, Mone, and Nathan Bazata? That's much more interesting to me than just picking players, especially when picks like Wilton Speight happen just becuase of the draft format.  Okay, I get it--there are only three decent QBs in the B1G...show me a visual representation of that data.  From PFF's perspective, how far below McSorley and Barrett is Speight?  And far above Thorsen?

Would love to see this, but also like Draftageddon.

Clarence Boddicker

July 11th, 2017 at 10:39 AM ^

I ignore it, but that's fine. Hearing about someone talk about their fantasy team is like watching someone else play a video game--when I have no interest in video games. But I love this site and the vast amount of other content provided. Play on!

BiSB

July 11th, 2017 at 10:41 AM ^

Perhaps "Four Dudes Obsessively Analyze Rutgers Offensive Line Play And Other Assorted Big Ten Shit So As To Better Prepare For Providing Insight During The Season And Figure People Would Rather Have The Option Of Reading The Fruits Of That Analysis In Marginally Interesting Content Form As Opposed To Having Everything Be Behind The Scenes" would be better received?

mGrowOld

July 11th, 2017 at 10:41 AM ^

I dont like it but jesus people give it a rest.  If nothing else it provides some of the funniest comments the front page ever generates so for that reason alone I'd keep it in place.

Now - if we're going to launch a people revolt of our MgoBlog overlords I wouldnt start with killing Draftageddon.  I'd start with a petition to get Brian to do the UFRs on the OSU and FSU games.   

I miss those (or did he do them I really did miss them?)

blue in dc

July 11th, 2017 at 4:51 PM ^

Unless they are hidden under another name. I'd love at a minimum something UFRish that focuses on returning Players (but that unfortunately probably can't be done without doing the whole thing). I actually think if you had a full year UFR you could do some really intersting stuff looking at returning players. I've started something on the defensive line but my inability to format posts is a big stumbling block.

jballen4eva

July 11th, 2017 at 11:56 AM ^

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The character created some controversy when asked to present at the 1999 CMA Awards.  Apparently the CMA was late to discover that the actor playing Drupal - identified as "Andy Charles" on the show - was in fact RuPaul.  Despite concerns over losing advertising, the CMA decided to include Drupal after a show of support from Vince Gill, Shania Twain and Jeff Foxworthy.     

JClay

July 11th, 2017 at 10:48 AM ^

I don't understand the non-sequitor argument of "its free content, you can't complain." What does that have to do with anything? If I get an invitation to a restaurant opening that's free and the food is rotted, no one is going to tell me to not complain about the food because it was free. Something can be free and also terrible. 

The Maizer

July 11th, 2017 at 10:57 AM ^

I think your analogy is missing a key component. It would be more like you got an invitation to a restaurant opening that's free that serves only salads. If you don't want a salad, you're not going to go, but complaining that there are free salads would be silly.

Jmer

July 11th, 2017 at 11:55 AM ^

This analogy is pretty awful. A trip to a restaurant, if you include drive time, waiting to be seated, ordering food, waiting for food etc. could take a few hours. This is the interent, the time comitment for you is litterally one second to click out of whatever content you don't like. Plus, the next year, when you are offered a free meal by the same restaurant, don't take the invitation. The same can be said about the content on this website. If you don't like it don't read it. To continue to complain about a free meal years after you ate it sounds really stupid. I would begin to think that the restaurant owner stole your girl.

NRK

July 11th, 2017 at 12:07 PM ^

Restaurant analogy aside the point is a good one.

We, and this blog, have been bashing media outlets for the move to video in many instances. The issue with video is the content might be good but we don't like the presentation. This is my same issue with Draftageddon. 

I don't think MGoBlog is going down the path of other spots media sites, but the readerbase should speak up if it sees this issue, and listening to feedback, even if you don't agree with it, is important.

mGrowOld

July 11th, 2017 at 12:25 PM ^

If it helps I was serious in my complaining.  And t annoy me somewhat to think there a faux complainers instead just us true believers in the complaining cause.

Perhaps we should start a straw poll asking "are you serious in your Draftegeddon complaining or not".

lhglrkwg

July 11th, 2017 at 11:01 AM ^

All the people with who hate Draftaggedon should funnel that energy into writing some good off-season diaries instead of just whining about the free content. 

BrewCityBlue

July 11th, 2017 at 11:03 AM ^

I enjoy the series, but don't always read all of them. the format of how it is posted and who picked who sometimes confuses me and I don't know why. Last few posts can be combined into 1 for the hardcore that want to read about 3rd stringers. it's informative and entertaining, from the snark to the unexplainable backlash.

ST3

July 11th, 2017 at 11:04 AM ^

I like the way it is setup so that everybody wins. The people that hate draftageddon can say, "only 43% of the people like it," while the people that like draftageddon can say, "only 34% of the people hate it."

I did start to wonder if I was part of a research project on object identification while verifying that I am, in fact, a human. I bet some AI software scored better than me on those image identification things. Some of those were tough.

ijohnb

July 11th, 2017 at 11:18 AM ^

on this site every day and have been for ten years, and I have no idea what Draftageadon is.  I see it referenced but don't click of read it.  It has just never interested me.  Of course I don't "mind it" being on here, I just have no interest in it or really any idea what it is.

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grumbler

July 11th, 2017 at 3:16 PM ^

You claim that you don't click on it because you don't know have any idea what it is?  I'm callling shenanigans right there.  

kehnonymous

July 11th, 2017 at 11:20 AM ^

My two cents, which is worth exactly that:

I'm really kind of surprised at the volume of kvetching about it.  I mean, I shouldn't be given... well, the Internet.  It's fine if Draftageddon isn't your thing, but there's a thousand other things in life and possibly this blog that are more worthy of your scorn so this really isn't the hill y'all should die on.

That said, I do think it has diminishing returns.  My interest generally wanes once we get to Part 20 where we're parsing the relative merits of guys on the two-deep that we're likely never going to see.  Make it shorter and more concise and it might be better received? /shrug  

Either way, not gonna sweat the finer points of free content.

Mich1993

July 11th, 2017 at 11:37 AM ^

I enjoy it now that Michigan's teams are better.  My recollection of the first couple years was that the top 10 would be just about all OSU players with rare U-M players even in the top 20.  That was not much fun too read. 

Now that Michigan has improved, they are more interesting.

Sopwith

July 11th, 2017 at 11:51 AM ^

because I'm afraid the list is going to be turned over to Seth, and eventually everyone on that list will have a motorbike pull up to their car in traffic and die in a hail of automatic weapon fire. The gunmen will never be found. 

Forget it Jake, it's Draftageddon.

But seriously, I have zero issue with the content, which is fantastic, but a huge problem with format, which is awful. They do all this great work analyzing the B1G and could present the raw draft data in some ways that would be far less cognitively fragmented and more useful... but rather than curse the darkness (yet again), I hereby promise to shut up w/ the complaining and instead light a candle. After the draft is over, I'll pull together what I think would be a more useful way to present the research they've done and post it in a thread, and let's see what people think of it.

Seth

July 11th, 2017 at 11:53 AM ^

Look, what business is it of yours if this is how I choose to use my international journalist conspiracy points? Mark Snyder wasted his on getting Rich Rod replaced with Brady Hoke. At least mine has a chance of doing some good in this world.