Sam says looks like MSU at Night
You are trying to foist phony numbers.
MGoBlog's voting system is really handy at calling out B.S. And buddy, you're getting murdered on every one of your posts. The Michigan fans here disagree with you, harshly.
You keep asking for a poll. It's right there on every post. These are all Michigan fans. Some are season ticket holders, some are not. Some will be soon. Others prefer to overpay for select single games and not waste their time and money on the likes of UCF or Rutgers. Tickets are a personal choice and none of us are more or less of a fan than any other. We all pay Jim Harbaugh's salary. Whether directly buying season tickets and PSDs or indrectly reimbursing those season ticket holders on a secondary market. Everyone has a hand in it.
It's your link. Use it. There's nothing in there that says coaching salary is lifted from any particular source of revenue. Michigan's licensing royalties alone cover Jim Harbaugh's salary. That's the apparel that everyone buys. WD alone pays Harbaugh's salary. On his behalf, you're welcome.
The college landscape has changed. Night games are high exposure, high energy, hype fests. Lots of people want them, season ticket holder or otherwise.
To my point, you certainly are trying to foist phony numbers on all of us. Your call for some non-existent poll is clearly searching for some subset of the fanbase that is going to validate your dated thinking and somehow overrule an opposition that you clearly feel is beneath you. I regret to inform you that anything short of hand-picking your buddies isn't going to yield you the majority.
The MGoBlog community and the aggregate contribution to the Michigan revenue stream that we all provide disagrees with you by a large margin. I don't need to assign dollar amounts to each vote.
P.S. On a personal note, you seem like a pompous douchebag. I would like to fart on your pillow.
You are making the presumption that MGoBoard participants are representative of Michigan fandom. There are thousands of Michigan alums and season ticket holders, providing millions in revenue to the Athletic Department, who have never heard of MGoBlog.
I'm not at all surprised at the upvotes/downvotes. I have seen the night game issue debated here before, and I know what the sentiments of the hivemind are. Just like I've seen the "Up in back!" kerfuffle. You would need to talk about that, with somebody who cares.
Previously, I hadn't seen anybody forcefully call out the divide (as I believe exists, and for which I'd like a poll) between season ticket holders and others. So that is what I've added today.
And thanks for the personal insult to top it off. Just like old times, on MGoBlog.
I would love to take your stupid poll. I know all of my friends (all season ticket holders) love night games. Not all of us have a 9 pm bed time.
I'm in metro Detroit and I'd venture that there are many, many thousands of season ticket holders/donors all around me. I am not a season ticket holder but when I go to a game I have a 1 hr. drive to A2 before the game and it can take up to 2 hrs to get home afterwards with traffic. If the game goes til 11:30 I'm not getting home until 1:30 or 2 a.m.
There is no way in hell I'm going to that game. I'd guess a lot of season ticket holders will be pissed off with this. We know who these people are. They get there early to hear the band. They bring their lucky seat cushion. They yell at people to sit down. And they give a lot of money to the University of Michigan.
Fine. Don't go. No one is stopping you or anyone else from not attending. I am sure of one thing, though - that being the people in charge could not give a flying fuck about what time people get home by. The night games we had were a blast and set attendance records at the time. They're fun. We should do them far more often.
That seems like a bit of a stretch. I have to travel back to Columbus, OH and I'm home in just over 3 hrs.
I did that drive last month. Not a football Saturday; not in any rush hour traffic. Dealing with exiting the Stadium, walking to your car (and even if you did absolutely nothing to celebrate a big win -- which is really funny, considering all of the posters here who don't like party-poopers) and game-day traffic, you can add two hours to that.
You would be getting home to Columbus around 6am - 7am Sunday. If you showered fast, you might make it to church on time.
People who decide to attend a night game have NO reason to bitch. They know the traffic problems and getting out of the stadium issues. It's a giant football stadium with well over 100,000 people inside. There are thousands upon thousands of people tailgating outside and attending bars/restaurants. If people who don't want to deal with that who complain about it before/during/after attending a game, they have no one to blame but themselves because they could have easily avoided it by watching at home.
... Warde Manuel is going to give me an option, to purchase only a "day-game" package of season tickets. And he is damn sure not going to reduce my PSD.
You are telling me to eat several hundred, and maybe several thousand dollars. Or sell my tickets.
And I have already said that selling my tickets to a night game is something I have already done, and might do again. Force me to do that often enough, and I might quit the program.
Bye Felicia
Tell those season ticket holders who don't like it to go cry to mama. The school installed permanent lights for a reason. I don't understand why night games at Michigan are such a big deal. It always has to be a game against a "worthy opponent." That is absurd to me. Playing in prime time does nothing but help the program.
Let's dispense with that.
The lights are there to make the Stadium all-purpose. For nighttime catered events in the Concourses. For after-dark practices if the team wants them. For other events like the odd hockey or lacrosse games. Etc., etc.
We do not have to play football at night, just because lights exist.
He never said that we have to play at night just because the lights we're installed. Just that they were there for a purpose, to use the stadium at night. so "lets dispense with that".
We use the lights for almost every 3:30 game in October and November. Yes, the lights are remarkably useful. And good riddance to the mobile light trucks. I am not against "lights" and yes I am glad that we have them integrated into the concourses so that you don't know they are even there most of the time. Kudos to the architects and the planners.
Again, just because they are there, it is no imperative to start a game at 8:00 pm such that season ticket holders get home after 3:00 am Sunday morning.
So, the season ticket holders are the only ones who will get home late? Again, I still don't know why you keep saying "AAAAAHHHH THE SEASON TICKET HOLDERS DON'T LIKE NIGHT GAMES!"
It's the opposite for me. Fall weekend days are usually some of my busiest and I usually have to watch the game on recorded delay anyway. This is always an issue in trying to stay free from any news (texts and phone calls, people discussing it outside) until I get a chance to watch. A night game makes my life easier.
Noon games, 3:30 games, 8 pm games, they are all going to have fans and detractors. (Noon games suck for students, and aren't they the fans we really should worry about, 8 pm games suck for old timer ticket holders who love traditional 1 pm games and they give the most money, shouldn't they be the ones we care most about?).
It's going to be the same argument no matter when we have it. Luckily, the stadium looks like it may be back to not having to worry about it not being the largest croud watching a game for a while.
That might make sense if 100% of season ticket holders were against night games but they are not. In fact, if one third of those ticket holders are okay with night games then at the very least that would offset a third, leaving only a third in the category you describe. In that case, we would then have to know the rest of the numbers around the country, mixing in all other revenue sources such as merch/apparel, TV, etc.
It's happening. Get used to it.
It's not that I hate night games but rather is it a good idea to have a bunch of thugs all liquored up running around town before a game?
This is admitedly interesting data that you have provided and I thank you for sharing it. However, it's important to consider that night games are being mandated by the B1G and Michigan most likely signed off on them (or was on the losing side of the vote) per the terms of the new media rights deal, which will pay Michigan somewhere between $50MM and $60MM (and possibly more) over the next 6 years.
So, you could organize a protest but I'm guessing the Regents wouldn't be swayed since Michigan's conference distributions, while not the majority, still comprise a very large portion of Michigan's overall revenue.
Still, let's imagine a scenario where the Regents are swayed and Michigan informs the B1G that it refuses to play night games. I imagine the B1G could then withhold some or all of its conference distributions, putting the Regents in breach of their fiduciary duty to the university.
I am not disputing the existence of the contract. I am disputing the wisdom of the contract.
Even if there is a contract that binds us now, it isn't forever, and we can protest and complain to Warde Manuel, and the Regents. Networks are sometimes exquisitely sensitive to protests. And Regents are routinely exquisitely senstive to donors.
And hopefully, we will never again agree to such a provision.
I am also a season ticket holder and I love night game as well. Stay home if you don't like and let another Michigan fan take your ticket.
I'll likely be watching from afar, and it looks like MSU's team will be a shitshow this year. Never a sure thing with MSU's monomaniacal focus on Michigan, but still - that team.
So doing it at night, at home, and in front of a national audience? Against a dangerous but damaged team? With a colossal dickhead of a coach who will pout like an angry toddler if he loses?
Sounds OK to me.
I hear they may relax the work release hours for the game.
Fine. I'm OK with embarrassing them at night on national TV.
They won't be "good" again anytime soon. With Harbaugh in town the jig is up. They could never recruit at the level of UM, even in their finest hour, and now that UM is well coached that gap will just get wider - not to mention the most important Harbaugh effect (a well coached and developed UM team)
They will continue to be a thorn in our side playing their Super Bowl against us every year, and probably pulling an annoying upset once every 4 or 5 years, like the good old days under Bo and Lloyd.
IDK...I wouldn't want to be anywhere with Sparty at night...
they play dirty enough in the daylight.
Special all Maize jerseys.
Did you not see the horrific retina-burning effect when Minny, WV and Cal did this?
not maize enough.
Black socks? go all in with Maize socks. Black shoes? I said ALL IN! Black numbers that you can read on a Maize jersey? NOT ON MY WATCH! Go MAIZE AND GO ALL IN!
Burning couches will be extinguished by Sparty tears
would help heal some of the wounds over the past 10 years. I would like to see a thorough ass kicking, punctuated by something akin to the Peppers run back last year in the waning seconds of the game.
I wonder what life is like when you're so stuck in a rut that staying up late every now and then to have some fun is worth this much bitching. Seems kinda whiney.
It's going to be crazier at night theory. If a game is at noon, people wake up at 5 AM and start drinking.
If a game is at 8, people start drinking at noon. Or, they'll drink at 5 AM, take a nap at noon and wake back up.
No matter what, any time you get a group of people together, bad shit happens. It cannot be avoided.
is the whole troublemaker element that shows up (not to go to the game) but to cause havoc and chaos. At a noon game, these people are not able to wake and organize a trip to AA to cause trouble. But a night game gives them plenty of time to wake up, drink, and drive to AA.
About organizing chaos, it'll be done weeks in advance.
While I cannot speak to the night atmosphere at Michigan/MSU, I've been to both stadiums in the daytime for the rivalry game, and it was pure hell.
Especially in East Lansing, the people wearing M gear were treated like total dog shit, and in A2, people in MSU gear were given similar treatment (though not as intense). After the game in EL, it looked like a garbage bomb went off, I couldn't wait to get out of there. So, I think non-sense will find its way no matter what.
Exactly, if people want to cause trouble, they're going to find a way to cause trouble. Is there more hooligan type behavior at night? Probably. Will there be more incidents this year compared to year's past? Probably. Will the incidents be isolated and minor in scope? Yes. Will the incidents detract from what will be an electric atmosphere against a hated rival? No. I'm guessing the game will be such a success that many will wonder why there was such an aversion to night games against rivals in the first place.
College kids getting up at 5am on a Saturday? Come on.
If there is booze involved, it will be earlier.
28-10, UM
Will the 3-9 red lock players be available to play in this game?