allintime23

February 14th, 2017 at 4:15 PM ^

No shit? Next you're going to tell me that LJ Scott and Donny Corley raped a girl. Sad shit in EL. Even more sad that once again it was attempted to be covered up.

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Nolongerusingaccount

February 14th, 2017 at 4:32 PM ^

This will probably not end well for the MSU football program, but I probably want more facts before I condemn the entire program.  No program is completely clean with outstanding citizens who can do no wrong.  However, it would be pretty sick if a staffer was covering up for the players if the allegations are true.  

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Stringer Bell

February 14th, 2017 at 4:58 PM ^

This could be the end for Dantonio.  Especially if Hollis is gone, MSU doesn't want to come off looking like Baylor, so the new AD comes in and cleans house.  Especially if Blackwell told the players to get rid of evidence.  No matter how much Dantonio did or didn't know, it ultimately comes down to the head guy.

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Nolongerusingaccount

February 14th, 2017 at 5:03 PM ^

I understand your point and agree that ultimately a head coach and AD need to take responsibility. Would your opinion change if Dantonio immediately reported the same to Hollis once he found out what was happening? My opinion probably would be different if it was a one-off situation and Dantonio did do the right thing when confronted. As much as I hate Dantonio as a football coach, I don't necessarily want to view him as Art Brilesque either.

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Stringer Bell

February 14th, 2017 at 5:09 PM ^

I don't view Dantonio as Briles-esque either.  He's an asshole but he's not a monster.  However, if multiple players and a staff member are prosecuted for this as seems will be the case, then it's gonna be hard for Dantonio to escape this.  It's really terrible timing for MSU because it's coming right on the heels of the Baylor scandal, and whoever is the new AD (I think Hollis is gone) will want to come down extra hard on this.

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Whole Milk

February 14th, 2017 at 4:36 PM ^

Word over in the boards at 247 say that multiple reputable sources are saying that there should be no expectation that any of the three suspended players (I don't care to speculate who) will ever see the field again. If the rumors are true of what the act was, I sure as hell hope not. 

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LabattBlue

February 14th, 2017 at 4:58 PM ^

The comments made last week by alledged victim's attorney included the assertion that "arrests will be made" Players involved will be charged, expelled, careers over. Nothing to celebrate.

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rainingmaize

February 14th, 2017 at 5:07 PM ^

I also don't know all the details right now (which neither do any of you) but I kinda feel bad for Mark Hollis to some degree. The fallback from the sexual assault scandals at Penn State and Baylor has created an environment where the national reception to any case of sexual assault in higher education athletics a national public relations nightmare. Obviously any case of sexual assault is bad, but what I'm saying is that because of what happened at Baylor and Penn State, which were monumental levels of horrific action and failures of the system, this may end up costing Hollis his job even if he had nothing to do with it nor knew about it. If Hollis were to lose his job, I hope it is because he did know about it and covered it up, because I have actually met and talked to Mark Hollis a few times and he comes off as a genuinly nice guy, too nice of a guy for him to be a fall man. 

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Everyone Murders

February 14th, 2017 at 5:57 PM ^

I can see your point if it was just the football allegations regarding Blackwell and three players.  An AD is not all-knowing, all-seeing, and he could (if the allegations are true) say he was really blindsided by this.  And he could say that he got in front of the issue as soon as possible, which might be true.  So viewed in isolation, the Blackwell + 3 situation is not proof that Hollis is inept.

HOWEVAH, when you take into account the gymnastics doctor (Nassar), the Payne-Appling situation, Glenn Winston, Dorm Vikings, and other incidents?  That makes me feel (in honor of your avatar) unsorry for him.  And the Nassar allegations get awfully close to Penn State territory.  It all starts to look like a loss of institutional control.

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MGoUberBlue

February 14th, 2017 at 6:15 PM ^

Would seem to be premature at this time.  Both of those institutions were engaged in systemic behavior, including administrative coverups, over a lengthy period of time; several decades at PSU and five years or so at Baylor.  It would appear that this alleged rape is not part of a coverup by the MSU administraton.

On the other hand, the allegations against Dr. Nassar and gymnastics Coach Kathie Klage appear to be evidence of a systemic problem at MSU relating to the gymnastics program.  That appears to be somewhat comparable to those institutions mentioned above:  a senior member of an athletic program engaged in criminal behavior that was ignored even though it was reported to other members of the athletic program or to the parents of the child, who in turn met with the members of the coaching staff who pressured them into thinking that the criminal acts did not occur.

When will these fuckers learn?

In the instance of football players, you cannot force a sexual act on someone that does not consent.  That crosses over the line of acceptable behavior.  If extreme, as in the Vanderbilt case, the lives of the former football players are ruined as they will spend time in prison....certainly as it should be in that instance.

Also, when a juvenile complains of a circumspect activity by a coach, someone has to pursue the matter to determine whether a crime occurred.  Why would a child create a fiction about an adult touching them or worse in an inappropriate manner?  

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Ty Butterfield

February 14th, 2017 at 5:08 PM ^

Feel terrible for any victims. But, the way the media went after Michigan for some stretching and gave MSU a pass on everything else makes me have no sympathy for them. I hope their football and basketball programs are burned to the ground.

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URNotGuilty

February 14th, 2017 at 5:44 PM ^

My Take MSU Athletic Director Hollis ultimately is either going to (1.) be put into a position to "cooperate" and shine a bright light on Ingham County/MSU Corruption which spanned decades, yet ended unceremoniously last year when Ingham County Prosecutor was convicted of Soliciting charges. (2.) fall on the sword and take the hit for years/decades of institutional neglect, cover ups, settlements, pay out to victims. No way he survives 1 Football and 2 Gymnastics, Among many others. He must have between 3 and 9 concurrent institutional neglect issues happening presently. My best guess, (2)

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switch26

February 14th, 2017 at 5:44 PM ^

Yawnn.... He was the obvious choice for the sexual assaults bs.. especially since ecass tech players were involved which he was so closely tied too. If o had to bet, he corley and others are gone from msu.. what a joke

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DrMantisToboggan

February 14th, 2017 at 6:27 PM ^

In terms of average episode quality I would say that this season is even better, so far, than the last 2 or 3. The situations keep getting more and more depraved, and Danny Devito keeps getting better and better. The old lady sitcom, the waterpark, and the making a murderer episodes have been phenomenal this year. 

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SteamboatWolverine

February 14th, 2017 at 6:22 PM ^

The biggest issue at MSU right now is the Dr. Nassar case - it is going to impact MSU's image as a university and have a huge financial impact as well.  That is a Sandusky / Patterno-like case and settlements to victims (now over 50) could reach into the tens of millions of dollar.

I believe that if the players / coach involved in this alleged sexual assault did anything wrong, MSU will make them examples because of their desire to appear tough on sexual assault ahead of the settlements with Dr. Nassar's victims.  Further, if MSU can minimize settlements by throwing Dantonio or Hollis under the bus, they will do that without hesitation. 

I do not believe that the MSU Athletic Department has suddenly grown a consciensce.  Instead, I think that as an institution they are circling the wagons for self-preservation, and because of that timing this case will be handled very differently than incidents in the past.

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