ESPN post-NSD Way-Too-Early Top 25

Submitted by MGoBkExam on

It feels like a lifetime away but here is ESPN's take on the Top 25 post-NSD yesterday. They did a 'Way Too Early' Top 25 right after the bowls so they basically just updated that based on on recruiting classes panned out. 

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18586725/alabama-crimson-tide-florida-state-seminoles-remain-top-2017-way-too-early-top-25-national-signing-day

Obviously Alabama is #1 because why not. I didn't realize that they play FSU (#2 on list) the first game of the year in 2017. Note that Florida (M's first opponent in 2017) does not make the list.

In terms of the Big Ten:

Team (Way-Too-Early #1, Way-Too-Early post-NSD)

OSU (#6, #4)

PSU ((#4, #5)

Wisky (#9, #12)

M (#12, #14)

MSU (NR, NR)*

*Character is not quantifiable thus ESPN was not able to fully get their minds around how good State is going to be next year.

 

stephenrjking

February 2nd, 2017 at 3:35 PM ^

I don't need to argue, because it was, in fact, a neutral site game. Sure, Florida had a few more (disheartened) fans there, but it was nothing remotely like playing a game in the Swamp. Would you consider a game at Ford Field against Florida with 30% of the tickets owned by Florida fans to be the same thing as playing at Michigan Stadium?

Bowl games, in unfavorable regions or not, are not at all like regular season games on an opponents home field. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

APBlue

February 2nd, 2017 at 10:45 AM ^

Didn't click the link, but it's weird that after having their #6 class in the country that we would drop. We haven't lost anymore players since then (everyone knew Peppers was going). Not sure who passed us. But unless they had better classes than we had, not sure this makes sense to me. Overall though, 14 does seem about right, given the players we lost.

LSAClassOf2000

February 2nd, 2017 at 11:23 AM ^

The problem might be that there is no formal name for the category of teams that sit below "NR", but I can see how you might argue that such a thing exists. I suppose we could call it - "Are they still playing football? Who knew?" or something along those lines. Rutgers would fall into this category as well. Wake Forest has been in it for decades at least.

I Like Burgers

February 2nd, 2017 at 10:49 AM ^

I mean, they do return 16 starters from a pretty good team.  The loss of Godwin hurts though.  I'd put them behind Washington for sure and maybe behind LSU (who I think is too low).  But its tough to say Clemson, OU, OkSt, or Auburn should be ranked higher.

Looking at the rest of the list, I'd have Georgia (17 returning starters) and Stanford (16 returning) ranked higher.

alum96

February 2nd, 2017 at 11:18 AM ^

Per Connelly, OU, OK State, Auburn bring nearly 70% of their production back overall. That's pretty darn good.  Yes Stanford and Georgia are mid 70%s too. 

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/1/31/14451014/2017-ncaa-f…

Clemson sub 50%. 

Michigan in 2018 is going to be in great shape in returning production.  This year...not so much.

 

I Like Burgers

February 2nd, 2017 at 12:27 PM ^

I'd feel better about Oklahoma if they weren't losing all of their offensive weapons.  Its nice Baker Mayfield is back for his 8th season of eligibility, but I don't know who he's giving the ball too.  OU is losing 2300yds of rushing, and 2000yds of receiving.  And given that, I'm not sure how Connelly says 70% of their production is back.

Auburn and OKSt were hot messes at various points of the season, so I'm not super optimistic about them even if they have a good amount returning. Maybe Auburn only because they've recruited well.

As for Clemson, I've done the "they've lost too much" song and dance the last two years in a row.  Not doing it again.  They're Alabama-lite as far as I'm concerned.

And 100% on Michigan in 2018.  I'm going into the 2017 looking at it like a preview season for 2018.  If they lose 3-4, that's OK.  We'll get 'em in 2018 in the Death Star is fully operational.

ijohnb

February 2nd, 2017 at 12:36 PM ^

and large, I agree with you.  But Harbaugh did himself no favors by letting The Game slip from his hands this year.  I think there is some pressure on him to beat Ohio State next year.  I think the pressure is a little less to win the conference, go the Playoff next year, because the team is going to be very young, but if he falls to 0-3 against OSU....... with the 2018 game on the road against what will be a loaded Ohio State team.  Yeesh.

I am not making ridiculous "hot seat" statements or any of that nonsense, but let's just say it would behoove Harbaugh to beat OSU at the Big House next year, both for the outlook of next season and for his blood pressure going forward.

stephenrjking

February 2nd, 2017 at 12:38 PM ^

Oklahoma plays in a weak conference, in which they will always contend, but you're right about their talent losses. However, Auburn and OkSt both overcame shakey early starts to hit the gas late in the season, figuring things out. If they have key guys coming back (I honestly haven't checked) I think it's quite reasonable to expect them both to perform very well.

Clemson's major problem is at QB with Watson gone. They're a solid team, but he was the key to their success in a way that has not been the case for a team like Alabama (though put Watson on Bama, OSU, or even Michigan and those teams all win the title last year, IMO).

My only hesitation on Michigan in 2018 is that a lot can happen in two years. A guy gets injured or there's a locker room problem or something goes south and people start getting jittery.

Hopefully not. We have a rock-solid staff and two massive high-quality recruiting classes to mitigate that stuff. And, if disaster doesn't occur, Michigan starts to hit its stride in 2018 full-time. Given that the only significant losses after 17 are projected to be Cole, McCray, and Hurst, I think you are dead-on correct about next season being a "preview" year.

alum96

February 2nd, 2017 at 12:44 PM ^

Clemson loses their QB this yr though.  When you return a stud QB you have more than 95% of the teams in CFB do so I wouldn't have been that down on them.  Even when I scout mediocre teams I look who has a mediocre returning QB since it helps a lot.  Clemson is talented but I don't see them as Bama... they had a singular CFB talent ala Newton or Young... and some ridiculous WR corps as well who are leaving.

I Like Burgers

February 2nd, 2017 at 3:36 PM ^

Just saying.  I've said that about their losses on DL the last two years in a row.  I thought Vic Beasley would be tough to replace.  Then Lawson and Dodd had monster seasons.  Then I thought it would be impossible to replace those guys, and Watkins and Lawrence stepped up.

Does it look like it'll be tough to replace Watson?  Absolutely.  But I'm done saying it can't happen with Clemson.  Hunter Johnson is a stud QB just like Watson was.  And overall, they recruit too well and are too well coached.  Much like Alabama -- just to a lesser extent because no one is like Alabama.

stephenrjking

February 2nd, 2017 at 5:41 PM ^

You can get good QBs, but you don't just get a Deshaun Watson right off of the street. I don't think Watson is quite at a Vince Young/Cam Newton level, but he was clearly the big differencemaker on the team. Neither Texas nor Auburn could equal their previous success replacing their generational talents, even though both maintained plenty of talent afterwards. Clemson, in addition, loses dominant receivers that could make that replacement QB look good (think Braylon Edwards with Chad Henne). 

It's a tough act to follow. None of this means that Clemson will stink next year, but it does mean that a playoff berth is a long shot. As it is they lost to Pitt and nearly to NC State, both at home, and they were the best team in the country.

I Like Burgers

February 2nd, 2017 at 10:53 AM ^

Maybe they looked again at what Michigan lost personnel wise. No one else in the top 25 loses anywhere close to the amount that Michigan does.  They have 5 returning starters.  Next worst is #22 West Virginia with 7, and then #24 Boise State with 11.

Glennsta

February 2nd, 2017 at 10:45 AM ^

Now that NSD is over, and we don't need to sell recruits on how good we might be, who cares where we are ranked for next year?  Play the games,  kick some ass and use the disrespect card if need be against any opponents who are higher ranked.  And then see where we stand at the end of the season. That's what matters anyhow.