OT: RIP Mary Tyler Moore
January 25th, 2017 at 3:12 PM ^
I'm starting to think that celebrity deaths are going to continue happening at an accelerated rate. As the enternatainment industry (film, TV, music) started expanding in the 50's, 60's and 70's there were a lot more names that became famous. Now we have a bunch of famous people in their 70s, 80s and 90s who are nearing their end.
For whom the bell tolls...
January 26th, 2017 at 1:18 AM ^
Don't you dare leave us!
January 25th, 2017 at 3:13 PM ^
Well I started a topic too and this one posted while I was still making mine, so since that will probably be deleted I'll repeat myself.
I loved knowing she was still around as a touchstone of continuity to the past, and my past, and the times and years and people it reminds you of when you think back of the old work from someone like that.
It was so nice that she was still working, still so vibrant and funny and smart, and incredibly, still so beautiful, at least up until pretty recently, whenever I last saw updated photos or video.
What a wonderful person and performer. Damn.
As far as the stretch pants mentioned above on the great Dick Van Dyke Show, I heard her recently, probably on Fresh Air, speaking about the pants and concerns from the producers about too much "cupping" of her beauteous Jake Booty by those pants!
January 25th, 2017 at 8:00 PM ^
Her cups runneth under:
http://www.npr.org/2016/12/09/504960137/remembering-grant-tinker-mary-t…
January 25th, 2017 at 3:14 PM ^
pretty sick of making a big deal about celebrity deaths. i am fairly certain everyone dies, and this news has very little to do w/ mgoblog. go read the obits AND GET OFF MY LAWN
:)
January 25th, 2017 at 5:10 PM ^
When someone you know dies and you see someone else who knew the diceased it's natural to take note of the death, express an interest in it, and remark on and discuss the person's life and your thoughts and feelings about them.
It's a connecting and community thing as well. You're sharing in other peoples feelings and concerns and respecting and acknowledging their feelings and the impact someone's death and life has and will have on them, as well as expressing your own and having that be heard, all of which is good, it's nice, it helps people's well being.
Whether you say or think you care about it now, most likely when you are or think you are nearing death, or just thinking about your life and legacy, you'd probably take comfort in or feel good if you thought you'd be remembered, that your life and death would be noticed and noted and thought about and talked about, and that you might live on in peoples thoughts and hearts, and that stories will be told, hopefully fondly, admiringly and, or respectfully.
In the case of a celebrity, that's a common shared experience for everyone who "knew" them in whatever ways we do or feel we do in that context. When your unknown family member or friend dies you don't have common knowledge of the person with the general public as a point of reference or reason to be having the kinds of discussions you have with others who knew someone or knew things about them, or reasons to bring them up.
Since everyone, or most or many people on a public forum will also be acquainted with the same sets of celebrities or public people, and will talk about them in some context or another while they're alive, have opinions about them, why shouldn't their deaths be noted and discussed also?
This entire board is here for the purpose of talking about public people that most of the posters don't know personally. A big part of the communication about the college athlete "celebrities" on the blog comes in the form of photos, gifs and clips of celebs or references to their words or those of their characters. It would be weird and ridiculous not to note their deaths.
Now who and who aren't well known, and why, and who or who else should be, and what else the public attention should be focused on instead of being fed so big a diet of meaningless celeb gossip/attention distractions, are other important questions and issues, but once someone does become someone we "know," for whatever reason, of course it will be a topic of conversation among people, and one of the things strangers have in common to talk about.
January 25th, 2017 at 3:14 PM ^
I know it's 2017 but I'm still gonna blame this on last year because 2016 was a jerk.
January 25th, 2017 at 3:15 PM ^
January 25th, 2017 at 4:05 PM ^
so many of its invitations weren't so premature or painful in their delivery.
January 25th, 2017 at 4:06 PM ^
January 25th, 2017 at 3:19 PM ^
She has always been a favorite of mine.
January 25th, 2017 at 3:22 PM ^
January 25th, 2017 at 3:25 PM ^
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January 25th, 2017 at 3:39 PM ^
She's a great actress. And pretty damn hot for an 80 year old. We should all be so lucky.
January 25th, 2017 at 3:33 PM ^
It will be for all of us comrade. Too soon.
Death - the ultimate shared experience.
January 25th, 2017 at 5:18 PM ^
You're a fully uninformed clown with genocidal & inhuman tendencies. Since we all have to die somehow, I hope yours comes at the hands of exactly what you so sickeningly support, Hotel.
January 25th, 2017 at 3:36 PM ^
The reason for pointing out Mary's diabetes is that living to 80 is a normal life span for many but not a diabetic. Millions don't get that chance. That's a big victory for her.
So many more would like to say F diabetes. But pharma companies don't work on cures because they'd wipe out a $40 billion industry. Private capitalistic health care does not fund cures. For diabetes, some privately funded research is happening like Dr Denise Faustman's work at U Mass.
January 25th, 2017 at 3:51 PM ^
This idea about not finding cures because of money is fundamentally flawed in that people are born with these diseases. The cure is never going to be in drugs, but genetics which is not what pharmaceutical companies do. The same thing for cancer.
Anyways, if it was so easy some private or public entity would have found one long ago. But they haven't and it is not for a lack of trying either.
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January 25th, 2017 at 6:29 PM ^
January 25th, 2017 at 6:32 PM ^
as you imply. Your paranoid not take on why Big Pharma does not find a cure is ridiculous.
That said, my opinion on diabetes was incorrect. I stand corrected.
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January 25th, 2017 at 8:06 PM ^
You are too quick. I only use facts and data. Only just now posted though.
January 25th, 2017 at 8:19 PM ^
Pharmaceutical companies exist to make a profit. That is undoubtedly true. But implying that they are deliberately preventing the search for one is fundamentally dishonest. The extensive of life drugs are invaluable for diseases like AIDS and diabetes. That no one has of yet found s cure is not unusual. We do not have cures for a lot of diseases. There are only so many resources--for profit or otherwise.
I will also point out that socialized medicine nations are not exactly fountains of medical discoveries. Governments are having no more success than corporations.
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January 25th, 2017 at 9:19 PM ^
They aren't doing anything dishonest in this case. They are following the law. Your review is very simplistic and doesn't show any insight into the facts involved and how capitalist business works or how behind the scenes decisions are actually made. It's very altruistic. I'll give you that.
There are factual examples of research not funded by pharma or by .orgs with pharma research boards. If you look at the governance and comp structures there are real issues as well. So far this is all about business structures and research funding.
But your last point brings up a much deeper discussion and analysis which can't be adequately prosecuted here. It's also a political one because if nothing else "socialized" was a political label placed on the single payer option years ago for political purposes. In that discussion there are political points and anecdotes and there are independent studies and facts. The actual data is overwhelmingly one sided. But as a political issue we cannot discuss any of that. You can do your own independent research.
January 25th, 2017 at 5:07 PM ^
January 25th, 2017 at 8:02 PM ^
It's not false. First it's the legal fiduciary responsibility of any CEO of a public company to maximize shareholder value. Of course the CEO cannot break any laws but they have a legal responsibility. So when faced with limited capital to spread across many investment opportunities the obvious decisions big pharma has to make are normal. There is nothing wrong with the outcome but there is no business case for a cure. Next the argument is often that a startup can have a green field business case. But a start up still has to raise capital from sources that make the same decisions regarding which investments have the highest return. Subscription business models are the most profitable. Chronic diseases are the perfect subscription market.
Further, a quick query into the matter through Phrma.org, the pharma industry lobby, will show you a mission statement dedicated to care and extending life. This is a "subscription" business model for chronic diseases. Now years ago if you looked at the specific research from the lobby group for most chronic disease you might see 200 drugs in development and not one cure. That has changed slightly and you may see a couple. But that's more due to the deeper understanding we have regarding subjects like T cell regulation and immunotherapy and some enterprising deep pockets not co-opted by industry. It's also for PR. AIDS is another example. There is no cure but to live you have to take really expensive drugs for the rest of your life. For diseases that have to have cures, vaccines are the most profitable option.
There are many anecdotal examples and first hand discussions that support this conflict for how profit and patient care can be in conflict.
But finally, a funny version of a similar business confict is the story told the movie "The Man in The White Suit" starring Alex Guinness. It's worth watching.
January 25th, 2017 at 8:55 PM ^
January 25th, 2017 at 9:21 PM ^
You're confusing the word proof with what is only an anecdote about hep c. Your scientist sister would be ashamed.
Further I'm not condeming Pharma nor am I suggesting that there is a conspiracy. This is just how things work. People do what they are paid to do. The laws, governance, and other legal structures in place create a specific system that incents certain behavoirs. I am only pointing that out. And there is plenty of evidence to support it. It can be addressed with different laws and governance.
January 25th, 2017 at 3:37 PM ^
Looked just like Buddy Holly.
January 25th, 2017 at 3:44 PM ^
I dont care about that
January 25th, 2017 at 3:47 PM ^
they say about us anyway.
January 25th, 2017 at 3:44 PM ^
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January 25th, 2017 at 4:12 PM ^
Just watched that episode last night. Classic. Poor Chuckles.
January 25th, 2017 at 3:56 PM ^
I grew up watching both "The Dick Van Dyke Show" and "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" in syndication, and as someone mentioned above, her performance in "Ordinary People" was exceptional.
Indeed, "The Mary Tyler Moore Show" once aired an episode called "Chuckles Bites The Dust" and it is still one of the funniest things ever. Presented without further comment below:
January 25th, 2017 at 3:58 PM ^
A true TV icon beloved by many viewers. Had some great co-stars on The Mary Tyler Moore Show. Always was one of my favorite comedians.
January 25th, 2017 at 4:13 PM ^
Huh. I guess she's not gonna make it after all...
January 25th, 2017 at 4:40 PM ^
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January 25th, 2017 at 7:53 PM ^
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January 25th, 2017 at 9:28 PM ^
You're going to hell.
If you want, you can ride with me.
January 25th, 2017 at 4:18 PM ^
She really was fantastic in both the Laura Petrie and Mary roles. That Monday lineup really was strong - must see in our time - no DVRs.
January 25th, 2017 at 5:05 PM ^
Mary was the "legs" of the receptionist younever saw in 77 Sunset Strip. I am old.
Her reaction on the DVD Show when she thought a doorknob was a diamond is timeless.
Little Richie was the winiest brat on TV.
The Satuday night line-up also included Mash (for some time period).
January 25th, 2017 at 5:47 PM ^
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January 26th, 2017 at 1:52 AM ^
but we also lost a celebrity from the music world this week.
Drummer Butch Trucks of The Allman Brothers Band passed away Tuesday. Trucks was a founding member of the band and stayed with The Allman Brothers the entire career of the group until they called it quits in 2014.
RIP, Butch Trucks. Enjoy your reunion with Duane!
January 25th, 2017 at 6:55 PM ^
January 25th, 2017 at 7:28 PM ^
This sucks.
Hang in there, Bob Newhart!!!!
January 25th, 2017 at 9:29 PM ^
There's an awful lot of miles on his odometer, too.
January 25th, 2017 at 7:33 PM ^
I really think that the Mary Tyler Moore show was ahead of its time. It was an office workplace comedy before that was common. It was a true ensemble show before that was common. It featured a single, profeesional working woman before that was common. I'm not saying that none of these things existed before but this show brought them together. I would argue that it influenced very different shows like Cheers, Friends, and even Seinfeld. And unlike many shows from the 70s and before it holds up.
January 25th, 2017 at 9:25 PM ^
