Which NCAA BB team is dirty ?

Submitted by Wal-Mart Wolverine on

After watching UCLA humble our Wolverines with their superior recruits, I wondered what NCAA basketball teams are the dirtiest while recruiting? When I lived in Arizona three years ago, I got to be friends with my dentist whom is still best friends, former roommate, and fraternity brother with one of the "Big 12" head basketball coaches. He shared with me that the dirtiest program that he recruits against is "Duke". That surprised me but it came from a great source straight up. Any thoughts ?

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OwenGoBlue

December 11th, 2016 at 1:39 AM ^

Players should get paid, especially in basketball. The NBA restrictions on draft eligibility and undervalued rookie contracts dictate that elite players should only care about college as far as remaining eligible for a semester at most. Sure, bagmen can be problematic, but the programs that most benefit from these labor laws are taking the most advantage of these kids.

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ThadMattasagoblin

December 11th, 2016 at 2:40 AM ^

Everyone else cheats seems like an excuse for why we can't be good. Alabama, LSU, FSU etc. all do the same thing in football yet we aren't bringing in MAC level players like we are on the hardwood.

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Squeeks23

December 11th, 2016 at 7:37 AM ^

My best friend was a student manager for a perennial power and it was discussed by coaches what programs were dirty. Seems widely known that UK is dirty. Others brought up include Purdue, OSU, Cuse, Louisville and KU.



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1974

December 11th, 2016 at 8:33 AM ^

Give this a look if you haven't:

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-foot…

It's a different sport, but I suspect the same kind of thing goes on in basketball.

"Plausible deniability" is an important idea here. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Coach K cheats, but I'd be surprised if anyone ever successfully tagged him. If he cheats, I'm sure he has plenty of layers between him and the shady stuff.

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GoBlueMAGNUS

December 11th, 2016 at 8:04 AM ^

MSU using that little girl with cancer and her family to paint Payne and Appling like angels after they were accused of rape was pretty low. I'd love to see what skeletons are in that program's closet.



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WestQuad

December 11th, 2016 at 8:38 AM ^

Robert Traylor (RIP) who was a Murray -wright kid (economically disadvantaged school in Detroit), drove a $70,000 Cadillac Escalade in college. Glass houses. NCAA is a joke.

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WestQuad

December 11th, 2016 at 10:04 AM ^

You are correct.  It was the Expedition. Got my E's confused.  It was the giant sized Ford one that was substantially bigger than the Explorer.  I only saw him in it once, but people talked about it.  Maybe it was a "team bus" that the players had access to, I don't know.  

My point was that boosters want to do players favors and it is hard to call which program is dirty or not.    Louisville and the hookers definitely crosses a line, but there are a lot of lines.  It sucks that some teams actively cheat in any way they can.  No one cares about the asterick that says the team broke all of the rules.

 

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shoes

December 11th, 2016 at 8:49 AM ^

No one was dirtier than Wooden's dynasty teams back in the day. Papa Sam (Gilbert) provided lucrative "no show" summer jobs for players at his construction company.

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TomJ

December 11th, 2016 at 9:35 AM ^

this is another reason I don't like college b-ball. The refs are biased, the programs are dirty, and the best players are only there for a year, laying waste to the illusion that they care a whit about the school you support. Why should I invest any emotional energy in this crap?

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Mr. Yost

December 11th, 2016 at 9:40 AM ^

Is there a committee to rank these teams?

Is there any evidence to support these games?

I keep hearing Duke, I hate Duke...but what does Duke and Michigan basketball REALLY have in common? Their head coach coaches the best players in the WORLD routinely. They're a blueblood basically program.

That would be like Duke calling us dirty in football - because we're Michigan and they're Duke.

I'm not saying they aren't...but half of you are just naming schools that are good with high profile coaches.

Using that same logic, Alabama, OSU and Michigan are the dirtiest teams in college football right now since they're good with high profile coaches. And they could be, but how do those 2 criteria make them dirty?

Silly thread.

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bweldon

December 11th, 2016 at 10:56 AM ^

There is one other way to look at the term ditry.  That is when coach A goes into the home of Johnny Hotshot Recruit and talks up his program and is open about playing time and what he sees as this kids furture, both academics and athletics.  Then coach B goes in and stars to do the same thing and the when he has the players attention he starts to tell stories about the "problems" with Coach A and that he is on the hot seat, or other crap that while not all the time true but sometimes enough to change the view of the kid or parent enough to not want to go to that school.  

It is one thing to talk up your program, and claim that you can provide the best for this kid but there are coaches out there who feel it is necessary to talk shit about everyone else as well when they feel threatened.  That is also a dirty coach.  Those sort of coaches are a lot more common than those with bags of cash and car keys.

 

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titanfan11

December 11th, 2016 at 11:02 AM ^

dirty certainly varies from program to program. that being said, the western university dolphins were one of the dirtiest in the early to mid 90s, but the head coach had a lot of trouble coming to grips with it.

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pbmd

December 11th, 2016 at 11:22 AM ^

Duke
Has many built in advantages
Personally, i would never question why someone attends duke on a basketball scholarship
I don't think any extra inducements would be required



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WorldwideTJRob

December 11th, 2016 at 11:24 AM ^

I think it's a lot less than what people think. It's just to hard to keep people's mouth shut. All it takes is one disgruntled player, family member or girlfriend to send everything crashing down. Just like some coaches are better at X & O's ; Some coaches are just better than others when it comes to recruiting.



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Sten Carlson

December 11th, 2016 at 11:54 AM ^

This "someone would talk" meme is one of the major anti-conspiracy theory arguments. The problem is, people DO TALK, all the time. Whatever the issue is, there's always someone somewhere saying the mainstream story is false (and often times the whistleblower has inside knowledge) -- it's just that there's almost always a ready made "shaming network" in place to hammer that raised nail back down. "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." AH

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Sten Carlson

December 11th, 2016 at 12:29 PM ^

I'll bet if you really dug into it you'd find that there is a lot of "evidence" but it's circumstantial and pushed to the fringes. In re: other coaches wanting to get Cal caught, I don't think they've the time nor resources to make that happen. Further, I'm sure they know their own programs have some skeletons that they'd prefer don't come to the light of day. Then there's "professional courtesy" at play too, I'd imagine. It's a pretty small fraternity of coaches out there relative to the rest of the workforce, and one doesn't want to get the rep as a rat -- look what happened to the whistleblower from PSU! It's football, but why do you think Carr never came public with what he HAD TO KNOW was going on at OSU under JT? You either keep up or shut up, but you NEVER speak up! It's amazing how often the things are known but the people don't say anything out of fear.

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LDNfan

December 11th, 2016 at 11:32 AM ^

I often wonder why clean programs don't turn in their dirty competitors. Seems that by keeping quiet and taking it the clean programs are complicit and putting their coaches and players at a distinct competitive disadvantage which ultimately hits the programs bottomline. 

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bweldon

December 11th, 2016 at 4:19 PM ^

In answer to your question, all you need to do is look at the old Southwest conference.  Every school that got busted all the way up to SMU was turned in by another program.  The reason most teams stay quiet is because of the witch hunt that will end up on their own front door if it is found out that you busted the other team.  Most coaches just hope things like what happened with JT and OSU and UNC's football team happen, and eventually  they get busted because someone from inside screws up.

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MichiganMAN47

December 11th, 2016 at 11:38 AM ^

It's very often the people that are praised the most are actually the most corrupt. K can get away with it

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Sten Carlson

December 11th, 2016 at 11:43 AM ^

Crooked coaches, crooked refs, crooked conferences, crooked NCAA all maintaining this pathetic facade of "amateurism" to hold the moral high ground in maintaining their lucrative fiefdom. The height of Hypocrisy!

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