So...the Orange Bowl, huh?

Submitted by I Like Burgers on

So Michigan ain't making the playoff.  How do we feel about playing Florida State in the Orange Bowl?  Or Clemson on the off chance they lose to Va. Tech?

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RobM_24

December 3rd, 2016 at 1:10 AM ^

If you think that the money-hungry NCAA is going to pass up one of the biggest money making teams in the country, as well as the TV ratings of a Harbaugh-Saban and/or Harbaugh-Meyer matchup, then you're delusional. They might to that if the other teams were Notre Dame, Texas, or someone similar ... but nobody wants to watch Wisconsin or Penn State. Especially with the way people feel about PSU.

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I Like Burgers

December 3rd, 2016 at 12:11 AM ^

The Mich-WI-PSU trio is 5-6-7 in the last rankings.  If you think a conference championship and a win over the No. 6/7 team in the country isn't enough to leapfrog a team that's lost 2 of 3, sat at home this week, and saw one of their big wins of the season get absolutely destroyed, then I don't know what to tell you.

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SeattleWolverine

December 3rd, 2016 at 12:34 AM ^

The question of who lost doesn't matter, but the difference in their opponents does. It would have been better if it were UW losing because then our CO win looks a lot better as a 10-2 PAC 10 champ we beat by 17 whereas after this stomping of the Buffalos by 31 (at the moment), that only hurts our SOS and quality of wins. 

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I Like Burgers

December 3rd, 2016 at 12:17 AM ^

The CFP rankings don't work like that.  Its not a simple someone ahead of you loses, so everyone else moves up thing. Conference championships are a big data point for them, and they don't factor it in at all until after someone wins one.  That's what saw TCU drop from 3 to 6 in 2014 (despite winning big in their last game) and OSU move from 5 to 4.

So while you may use that example as "hey, OSU moved from 5 to 4 and got in" they also won big in their conf. champ game to do so.  Michigan has nothing to further wow the committee whereas PSU and WI does.

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Maynard

December 3rd, 2016 at 1:00 AM ^

You don't seem to grasp how it works. They are looking for the four BEST teams and conference championships are part of the protocol they follow but they only come into play when teams are so close that they need to be a determining factor and in case you don't take my word for it, here is the actual protocol for you to see. 

http://d30ratpzqzalg7.cloudfront.net/CD-drupal-cfp-PROD/s3fs-public/CFP…

 

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Gulo Gulo Luscus

December 3rd, 2016 at 3:13 AM ^

"Ranking football teams is an art, not a science. Football is popular in some measure because the outcome of a game between reasonably matched teams is so often decided by emotional commitment, momentum, injuries and the 'unexpected bounce of the ball.'" Guess it would depend whether we are perceived as more "reasonably matched" with OSU or with B1G champ. I think it's a tough call unless PSU or Wisconsin dominates. I tend to think the committee would take the conference champ but it's not a certainty. Gobble gobble!

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I Like Burgers

December 3rd, 2016 at 12:23 AM ^

It helps a tiny bit, but not enough.  If Michigan hadn't lost to Iowa its a different story, but they did.  And for all the strength of schedule people out there, Michigan played three games out of state and lost two of them.  And its not like Rutgers is some big selling point, either.  That doesn't look good to the comittee either.

So while its nice that they beat PSU and WI, they lost the games that actually mattered.  The committee can put in OSU and the B1G winner and just say tough luck Michigan, should've won your important games.

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I Like Burgers

December 3rd, 2016 at 12:54 AM ^

It's one of four criteria for the committee. Conference championships is another. So while it's nice that Michigan beat both head-to-head both PSU and WI can cancel that out with a conf title. Throw in closing out the season strong vs. Michigan's 2 out of 3 losses and I think it's easy to give the nod to the B1G winner over Michigan. Especially if you're already including one non conference winner in Ohio State.



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Rico616

December 3rd, 2016 at 1:25 AM ^

The committee can weigh each part of the criteria as each member feels. So if a member values head to head over conference championship, then that is how that member sees it. The committee has said over and over again that the goal is to get the 4 best teams in and that those other criteria are only used as "tie breakers". This past Tuesday, they said that the gap between psu and osu is huge but the gap between Washington and Michigan was razor thin. However that was before Colorado got smoked.

I think a Clemson loss Michigan has the upper edge over Wisconsin and PSU. That would mean osu-Washington match up and I'm still not sold on Washington.

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mGrowOld

December 3rd, 2016 at 12:13 AM ^

Yup. We're fucked. Clemson wins we're out. Clemson loses and winner of B1G championship game advances

So to the shock of no one over the age of 25 the worst possible outcome for Michigan occurred. As it has for the past 50 years. As it will continue forever and ever....amen

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SHub'68

December 3rd, 2016 at 3:17 AM ^

it's just how it is. Even in 1997, when there was 'no doubt when we win the Rose Bowl' we had to share due to somebody out there who had to screw us/extremely unlikely single play (illegal kicked ball catch by Nebraska). A missed field goal, a phantom fumble, a bad spot, a spiteful vote, an inexplicable loss to a bad team. Happens. Every. Fucking. Time.

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SHub'68

December 3rd, 2016 at 3:38 AM ^

We absolutely NEVER get years like, say, MSUs 2015-16. Add their luck last year to our team this year and we're easily sitting at #2, maybe even #1, with people salivating over what the game between Michigan & Alabama is going to be like. Or the college football landscape of 2002 where this team would have easily rolled over anything OSU or Miami had that year. Nope. We get to have our best shot when there are no less than SIX TEAMS (!!!!) worthy of pulling off a title. If we can't have nice things when we have this defense - arguably the best/equal to the best unit we've put on the field in some 30 years - along with our 6th highest scoring offense of all time, we are never, ever, going to have nice things. I have a nice lawn; get off it. I'm going to bed.

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Wolverine Devotee

December 2nd, 2016 at 11:59 PM ^

I know one thing: I'm not gonna be bitching about going to a NY6 game. Last time I complained about going to a great bowl was 2006 in the Rose Bowl when we should've went to the NCG.

Haven't been back since and quite a bit of suffering followed.

Appreciate that we're going to a great bowl game and will be favored in year 2. And that we've been in the playoff race late in the season in the first two years of a head coach who came here to rebuild.

 

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UMxWolverines

December 3rd, 2016 at 12:05 AM ^

We didn't go into a tailspin because we complained about going to a Rose Bowl as a consolation prize after losing to OSU for the 3rd time in a row. 

We are still short of winning a big ten title AGAIN. We still lost to OSU AGAIN. We lost a game to a crap team we shouldn't have lost to AGAIN. It's what this program has done since the 40s save 1997. 

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Wolverine Devotee

December 3rd, 2016 at 12:11 AM ^

Say what you will, but I think it was bad juju. Everyone was bitching about it. Have we been back to the Rose Bowl since? 

If you dislike this program so much, maybe, just don't watch? You're disparaging what Bo did here by saying that, by the way. 

I'm sure we'll find another person to fill that seat on gamedays. 

Amazing how ungrateful people are after success. The humility and appreciation of success that our lack of success from 2008-2014 should've created has all but evaporated in the words of many.

What a toxic atmosphere this board has. You wouldn't even know that our team is 10-2 and ranked in the top-5. 

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Stringer Bell

December 3rd, 2016 at 12:14 AM ^

Fact is we blew an opportunity this year.  Beat Iowa as a 3 TD favorite and we're comfortably in the playoff, instead we're sitting here praying for a big upset in conference championship weekend.  He's not really wrong when he says that Michigan pretty much always comes up 1 win short of true greatness.

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WeimyWoodson

December 3rd, 2016 at 12:26 AM ^

It's great to have improvement and have Harbaugh for sure. But this year the team totally shit the bed in November. There is no other way to describe it. Blew the Iowa game which was the worst we had looked all year, and pissed away the OSU game despite the refs jobbing us. Stop acting like all these mellinial parents trying to give everyone a blue ribbon. I believe a lot of us down the road will look back at this and realize what a blown opportunity it was.

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Wolverine Devotee

December 3rd, 2016 at 12:36 PM ^

He already sounds like an OSU fan. 

Bo never played for national titles, either. The goal was always to win the B1G and go to the Rose Bowl. Because national titles back then were mythical.

And they're still mythical today until an 8 or 12 system comes. Because someone outside the top-4 can win it. 

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