Bag of Tricks?: Play Calling

Submitted by Bigku22 on

First off, we should have won the game and obviously officiating played but a big part in the loss. But wanted to touch on some questionable play calling and the "we are going to throw everything at them". 

1) The Pepcat has not had any success against teams who have defenses with a pulse. Also running it on 3rd and goal from the 5? Not running any variation off of it past read option or direct snap run? It was basically wasting downs. 

2) Play action from our own goalline which lead to the pick 6, thought the risk/reward there is just foolish. Speight was basically in a toss it up or take a safety scenario with pressure. 

3) Maybe on a rewatch we can find some things, but did anybody notice any wrinkle or speciality play of any kind? Maybe the Speight injury limited our playbook but we ran a very vanilla gameplan. 

4) I didn't think we tested the edge enough in the run game, Smith averaged 2.9 YPC and was really not very effective. Our lack of a run game didn't allow us to control the clock, salt the game away when our defense was dominating. We just couldn't keep the football in the 2H and I am surprised at the lack of origination. 

Even with all this we should have won, but I didn't think Fisch/Drevno/Harbaugh had their best game. Not the primary reason we lost, but after the OSU games vs Wisky and MSU I was expecting more success. 

Bando Calrissian

November 26th, 2016 at 8:46 PM ^

All week the Michigan Football social media accounts were posting Peppers Heisman campaign videos... You'd think the Pepcat packages would actually do something other than two yards and a juke or two.

Playing every position doesn't win you a Heisman. Guy hasn't done a single thing Heisman-worthy in about two months. He's a great player, but good god, the hype was absurd.

Magnus

November 26th, 2016 at 9:01 PM ^

I don't think the hype was absurd. It was about him being an all-around football player, not necessarily being great at every single thing. He is a very good returner. Otherwise, he's just pretty good at various things. I don't think that necessarily makes him the most outstanding player in the country, but it's got to count for something.

I also think he was misused and underused a little bit on offense.

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Magnus

November 26th, 2016 at 9:31 PM ^

I thought the play calling was pretty bad, especially in the second and third quarters. I think we shelved the jet sweep because OSU a) has good team speed and b) was leaving an overhang defender to take care of the jets most of the time. Chesson's late jet sweep (which he almost broke for a big play) was a good call because OSU's alignment made it possible.

You can do crazy things against Maryland that a team like OSU won't bite on or will be fast enough to recover from. I agree that we could have been more creative, but I'm not sure that a double pass would have worked against OSU because their team speed - especially at DL and LB - is so good.

bamf16

November 26th, 2016 at 10:33 PM ^

Playcalling's sucked the last month or so.  Not sure if the problem is "too many cooks" (broadcast today alluded to Drevno being primary play-caller with Fisch calling some and Harbaugh making calls at times) or if the primary cook is an imbecile.

Night_King

November 26th, 2016 at 8:48 PM ^

Shocked at the ways (or lack thereof) Peppers was used this season. Also shocked we didn't run some plays with McDoom against Iowa or OSU. We absolutely gashed MSU in the first half with jet sweeps and misdirections. No idea why these plays were not used again.



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lhglrkwg

November 26th, 2016 at 11:38 PM ^

Didn't we do that a ton last season and earlier this year? Seems like we got away from using Peppers as a decoy almost entirely. Maybe that's an effort to minimize his snaps, but it makes the times he's in so obvious as to what's going on "HEY I AM GETTING THE BALL"

As someone said above, it's kind of astounding how poorly we used Peppers on offense this season. A bunch of wildcat and zone read is all we came up with? For Jabrill Peppers? Nothing at wide out?

Fitz

November 26th, 2016 at 8:58 PM ^

The two interceptions sucked but Speight had Perry on a wide open out route on the second one. That's not a play calling issue. Clearly they got more conservative after the 2nd interceptions but they were also shutting down the OSU offense and were on the 1 looking to go up by 10 early. 

They gained 310 yards with some clear mistakes, drops, and missed calls against the #4 team in terms of YPG. This is post game coulda shoulda woulda analysis.

abertain

November 26th, 2016 at 9:03 PM ^

Michigan was more creative in other games, double passes, reverses etc. It seems like things tightened up in all of our close games. Like every college football fan ever, I want my team to push it and be creative. Well, I want them to do that when the base offense wasn't working. The base offense started to struggle, and I wish Michigan had used McDoom and Peppers in the slot etc. to take some pressure off. I hope that is something that changes next year. I got bombed in the other thread, but I also think this was the year to win the game. We lose a hell fo a lot. It doesn't mean we can't win next year, but it was a damn good shot this year. 

The Truth Hurts

November 26th, 2016 at 9:05 PM ^

Coach Harbaugh have to open up the offense.   He have to spread out the defense.Too many times he will trot out the three tight ends and 1 wr and then motion that 1 wr into the formation bringing the db wit  him creating a 9 man box. Top WR s will not come to Mich if only 2 is playing at a time.  He could have did so much with the speed we had on offense, like line up Mcdoom Evans Jabril Butt and Darboh. Now that's a lot of speed on the field at the same time.  Spread them out then run power .  But no imagination means we will not win the Big games.

1VaBlue1

November 26th, 2016 at 9:30 PM ^

McDoom is a Freshman that has only run jet sweeps.  Three weeks ago we were all whining that him coming in was a predictable play call.  For whatever reason, he never expanded that workload through the season.  Not sure why only one jet sweep was run (and Chesson was thisclose to getting the corner), but I have no problem leaving McDoom on the bench today.  And Evans hasn't been in the slot all year.  You can't just send players out to do something they haven't done before.

columnatedruins

November 26th, 2016 at 11:14 PM ^

THAT was my hope.  I thought this season was going to play out like a chess game, not a series of checker matches.

We just spent 2 months setting up Pepcat to a ... IDK what... a frikkin screen or something.  And if not the Pepcat, the end around to McDoom into a double reverse back to Jehu?  Use what we've done with middling success as a ruse for the thing that turns the tide, changes momentum, sustains a critical drive, or puts it out of their reach...

SOMEthing that we have been prepping for to beat these SOBs

UMfan21

November 27th, 2016 at 12:59 AM ^

I got the feeling today that it was actually the opposite of what we expected. I think Harbaugh did all kinds of crazy stuff during the year to put stuff on tape and make OSU waste practice time. when it came time for us to prepare, he went with a more "vanilla" but focused scheme. so while OSU was preparing for McDoom, etc we were getting extra reps and the stuff we ran today. that's the only way I can rationalize it.

m83econ

November 26th, 2016 at 9:10 PM ^

was good enough to win. offense stalled in 2nd half, but seemed much more due to having pretty much gotten most of what we could reasonably expect from Speight given his injury.

WallyWallace

November 26th, 2016 at 9:36 PM ^

...it came down to making just 1 more play on either side of the ball. If Darboh makes a tough catch on the 3rd down pass behind him late in the 4th we win IMO. Later, if the D can make just 1 more play and take down Samuel in the backfield forcing a 40 plus yard field goal, I get the feeling their kicker Durbin misses another and we win.

543Church

November 26th, 2016 at 9:14 PM ^

I am not going to blame the offensive scheme.  A fumbled snap on the 1 yard line, a pick six, and a bad spot cost UM the game.  The offense was fine given the tools it has to work with.  Let's be honest, the OL is average (and that is quite an improvement) and there are no elite skill position players besides Butt.    The plan was to possess the ball and let the defense win it, and that almost worked against the #2 team in the country in one of the hardest places to play.

Yes I am disappointed but anybody wanting to fire coaches or change philosophies is crazy.

funkywolve

November 26th, 2016 at 9:40 PM ^

I keep seeing people reference this as a turning point/huge play. The reality is though OSU got a first down then had to punt. Instead of punting Urban called a fake punt which got stuffed. After UM got the ball on OSU'S 22, they scored a TD. Maybe it's just me but I don't think the fumbled snap was as big of a play as others do.

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

November 26th, 2016 at 11:05 PM ^

elephant in the room - this team has not eliate O players other than Butt.  Chesson was there before the knee injury last year. 

Smith will last a nanosecond in the NFL if at all. Darboh might make a roster. The OL is marginal. Speight needs to become a gamer in the big games.

I actually think the O willl be more potent next year with Bunting, Asiasi, Kekoa, Perry, McDoom, DPJ, Nico, Isaac, stronger Evans, new OL, and seasoned Speight or Peters. Add in Kareen and a few more recruits and this O is far more explosive and physical.

m83econ

November 26th, 2016 at 9:14 PM ^

The o-line isn't where we need it to be. Too many missed assignment and inability to open creases. Hard to be too creative when basics are lacking.

HarbaughorBust

November 26th, 2016 at 9:26 PM ^

OSU's offensive line was getting man handled by us today. Did Urban continue to bang his head against the wall doing the same thing over and over or did he get Samuels involved and use a couple wrinkles to spring him loose? Our coach, coaches terrified in big games. Theirs doesn't. The 2nd half play calling in our biggest games the past 2 years is boarderline criminal.

VinnieMac25

November 26th, 2016 at 9:26 PM ^

Disagree with much of your points. Pepcat is and was a one dimensional play. Read option. Face a spread team who practices it and you won't have much success. Play action call from Michigan end zone was a missed assignment from Smith. Sure Speight had Butt with a step on his guy but the pressure was getting in his face. One of the gripes I have with Coach H. Yes he's a tad bit conservative. Maybe he's limited with an ailing QB but after the pick by Speight earlier in the game. It's a 17-7 game in the 3rd quarter. 2 and 14. Speight throws a pick. Run the ball or take a deep shot. Punt the ball and keep playing defense. Seniors balled out there. Hill pass interference felt like Crable all over again.

1VaBlue1

November 26th, 2016 at 9:37 PM ^

Speight's arm was hit on the pick 6 and he couldn't follow through.  He tried to hit Butt, yes, and probably would have had him.  Sucked...

No deep balls all day, so clearly Speight was still hurting.  Otherwise, I thought Speight had a prett good game.  The 2nd pick was a bad read/throw.  The rest of his decisions, throws, and pocket movement were pretty good.

Harbaugh coached to not lose the game in the 2nd half.  With 7 minutes left, he ran up the middle twice, obvious pass, and punt - good for 1:30 off the clock.  That is when OSU believed they were still in it, and when UM started to doubt.  The defense never recovered...

Bigku22

November 27th, 2016 at 12:46 AM ^

I'm okay with you disagreeing but your points are more execution based, mine were more theory of the call. Agreed Pepcat doesn't have a ton of variation options....so stop running it, or don't run it at all, or use peppers in a diffeeent way. Just stop slamming him into the fucking line for 2 yards. Yes Smith missed an assignment, my issue is running a longer duration play action pass in your own end zone. Also, It appeared Speight was not capable of taking a real deep shot, we didn't take one all game.

Leonhall

November 26th, 2016 at 9:28 PM ^

I was just going to say, the oline has turned out to be average; that's its ceiling with this current group. The coaching was dreadful for 3 years for them. I think their lack of push hurt us the most in this game, hell, even the pick 6 was rushed and tipped. Poor blocking most of the day limited "trick plays."



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RobM_24

November 26th, 2016 at 9:32 PM ^

You go all year thinking "we're saving "it" for Ohio State." The truth is, we aren't saving anything for Ohio State. We don't have any magical plays, and we didn't really need any magical plays. If we would've executed the vanilla gameplan, we would've won. Turnovers lose games. We had MONSTER turnovers. We probably could've been more vanilla, and won.

1VaBlue1

November 26th, 2016 at 9:41 PM ^

I think the game was lost with 7 minutes left.  The defense was getting gassed, get a couple of first downs, and its all but over.  Instead, two runs off guard for 3 yds each, and a predictable pass before the punt.  Only 1:30 taken off the clock, and momentum clearly given back to OSU.  The defense couldn't recover.  Harbaugh coached to not lose, rather than to win.  He tightened up the offense too much.  He relied on something that wasn't working all day rather than trying something different.

Damn it!