What are your thoughts on the 9-conference-game schedule?

Submitted by WichitanWolverine on

I haven't seen a whole lot of discussion on it, but as most of you know this will be the first year we have 9 B1G games. Just curious what people think about it.

I have mixed feelings on it. Generally, I am one of the people that thinks there's no benefit in creating a harder schedule for your team than you need to. Getting smoked by a team like Bama to open the season is not good for many reasons, especially your playoff chances, even if you go 12-1. So playing more B1G teams, which are supposed to be tougher than a cupcake, is somewhat similar.

On the other hand, most teams in the B1G are cupcakes right now. IMO there are only 3.5 legitimate teams (Michigan, MSU, OSU and I'm giving Iowa a half point) in the conference, so adding a 9th game does give us a chance to play some other conference teams we wouldn't normally face without too much risk of adding another loss.

What are your thoughts?

SBo

May 21st, 2016 at 8:53 PM ^

What's your definition of a "legitimate" team? I agree with those three, but Wisconsin, PSU, and Nebraska are very tough games (especially on the road). If your definition is playoff contender, then I'd agree minus Iowa.

WolverineHistorian

May 21st, 2016 at 9:23 PM ^

I lean towards this even though it works out to an uneven 4/5 home and road games.

But, in my humble opinion, 14 teams is too many for a conference.  12 should be the max number.  Sorry Maryland and Rutgers, you should have never joined. 

More games against conference foes lessens the chance of teams getting off easy, as MSU did all time while I was growing up not having to play OSU about a dozen times and all of Barry Alvarez's Wisconsin Rose Bowl teams not having to play one of the top teams in conference every single time. 

We now have a conference championship game but teams can still have an easy road to it as Iowa did last year, proving they had no business playing in one of the big bowl games.  The Rose Bowl was over in the 1st quarter. 

It will never be perfect but more games against conference competition is better. 

Don

May 22nd, 2016 at 7:30 AM ^

In light of the recent revelations about how far back the abuse at PSU went, I've wondered whether Bo had heard rumors about it and didn't want the conference to have any association with PSU. Of course he wouldn't have been able to mention the rumors in public, so instead he places his disagreement on the university presidents angle instead.

UMProud

May 21st, 2016 at 9:18 PM ^

I don't think Bama would smoke us. I'm not certain we would lose to them either. I like new OOC games and having a cupcake in the schedule is ok with me

Avon Barksdale

May 21st, 2016 at 9:19 PM ^

I really like it because let's be honest: it will be more fun to play a Wisconsin / Nebraska every year than a Miami of Ohio. An ideal schedule in my opinion would be:

Nine Big Ten games
Notre Dame
A team like Vanderbilt, Kansas, or Wake Forest.
And then a Group of 5 game: Hawaii, San Jose St, UAB etc. etc.

turtleboy

May 21st, 2016 at 9:22 PM ^

Our out of conference schedule has changed a lot since the 80s. Our in conference schedule has too. Today, I'd rather play the entire traditional Big 10 instead of UNLVs and UCONNs. I don't like playing some traditional B1G teams only once every 3-4 years.

Wolverine Devotee

May 21st, 2016 at 9:50 PM ^

The B1G was terrible back in the 70s and 80s so you could get away with scheduling big schools. It was Michigan, OSU and then in the 80s an Assorted 3rd Challenger popped up every year. 

Even then, we still never scheduled Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, USC and the like. 

We hosted Oklahoma State in 1992 and then were supposed to again 2000 before they backed out. We did a similar two for nones against Miami and Florida State in the 80s where both games were played.

That would NEVER happen today. 

Bambi

May 21st, 2016 at 9:35 PM ^

I see no downside. It allows us to play out conference more often, like we should be doing. I just graduated from Michigan and not once while I was there did we play Wisconsin, a conference foe. That's unacceptable.

I'd much rather see us play even a bad B1G school like Purdue than a directional Michigan. Even when they're bad half the time a crappy team we play in the non conference like UNLV is just as bad. And there's a much higher chance that B1G team is good, and this doesn't even include the fact that even a bad B1G team at least has the appeal of being a conference game.

And there's obviously a benefit to having a harder schedule. It's why the SEC has been so dominant recently. They're conference is generally very strong top to bottom, so even when an SEC team loses to a mediocre conference team the public perception is that the conference is so tough that team should get a pass. It makes it much easier for 1-2 loss teams to be ranked higher or make the playoff, which is what matters. So if we're playing a good B1G team instead of a shitty MAC team, even better.

We should want to schedule a harder schedule. Have 9 conference games and schedule an ND. If we're as good as we want to be, we should still be able to win all or all but 1, and that would be good enough to make the playoff. It makes the team better by playing a better schedule.

jonesie022

May 21st, 2016 at 9:50 PM ^

I might be in the minority here but I like it. The super conference format leads to unbalanced schedules which makes determining the most worthy bowl selections (see Iowa last year) difficult.

Plus I don't want shit to do with ND and I think that a three game non conference schedule keeps us away from that discussion unless we break an existing contract.



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evenyoubrutus

May 21st, 2016 at 9:53 PM ^

I guess I would rather see us play a team we don't usually get to see than play a 9th game against Purdue or something. I would love it if we scheduled a team like Oklahoma, Florida State, or any number of high profile teams we have hardly ever played on a yearly basis, but unfortunately CFB isn't really set up well enough for that to work out either.

BornInA2

May 21st, 2016 at 10:01 PM ^

I think it's perfect...for when the Big 10 was ten teams. Full round robin, team with the best record is conference champion. No stupid championship game.

SpikeFan2016

May 21st, 2016 at 10:15 PM ^

Love it. 

 

It's not right to go more than 3 years without playing a team in your conference, in my opinion (every student and player who attends a Big Ten University for a 4 year span should have at least one game against every other Big Ten school). 

Carcajou

May 21st, 2016 at 10:20 PM ^

Maybe I am in the minority, but I would prefer more (quality) non-conference games against different teams than only a small pool of teams.

What I think is smart about the SEC scheduling is they have conference and non-conference games from September through November. (Would love to see a home and home series with SEC or other southern teams in November, rather than September). This means exposure in other parts of the country, on other networks. This will be even more important if ESPN loses the B1G contract.

The way it stands now, if a couple of the upper-echelon B1G teams in the conference stumble in September, people write off the strength of the whole conference pretty much until the Bowl season.

drzoidburg

May 22nd, 2016 at 7:41 PM ^

or you could look at it as if you lose to illinois or whatever in week 1, your season is pretty screwed both in terms of playoff and conference

when i saw playoff hopeful (at the time) south carolina go down this way that was my initial reaction, season's over

LSAClassOf2000

May 21st, 2016 at 10:31 PM ^

I acutally like the move to a nine-game conference schedule - theoretically, it means that the non-conference schedule should be planned a bit more carefully and with some better opponents, and it decreases the likelihood of having any given Big Ten team off the schedule for an eon or more. Well, it will shorten that to a century or two with any given team, I should say. 

Carcajou

May 21st, 2016 at 10:31 PM ^

I prefer variety.
I would rather see series with cross-division and non-conference opponents skip a couple of years before replaying- Yr1 Home, then  off. Yr3 or Yr4 Away, and so on. Yes, it might be a few years between home games with certain opponents, but would have a chance to see more teams- in person or on TV, more variety. More build up, especially with playing a Notre Dame, or Nebraska, or Florida, etc. Better for recruiting in more areas of the country.
 

 

Carcajou

May 21st, 2016 at 10:41 PM ^

Can we at least see one or two of the cross-division games determined by strength?

Maybe based on the standings at the end of the year before. Allow a little flexibility for one or two of the games for teams we haven't seen in a while. Leave the schedule slots open (though it would be clear which weekend was Home or Away), and then clear up the next season's schedule in December or January.

Otherwise you get situations where the SOS varies wildly.



 

TheReal_GR3

May 21st, 2016 at 11:48 PM ^

I'm not sure where I stand on this one. I can see it both ways. I like the idea of playing more teams in conference and actually making sure you play everybody as often as possible. 


I don't love the idea of taking away a nonconference game. Traveling outside our footprint is important for recruiting, even if it isn't a power 5 school. I'm not in favor of playing cupcakes to be clear. 

One concern I have is preception. A lot of people have mentioned how the SEC benefits from playing themself and how they are seen as a deep conference so dropping a game in conference doesn't hurt as bad at times. I have covered the SEC for the last two season, approaching my third. I tthink their overall strength of the SEC is a little overstated. I do believe the stadiums that they play in make it very tough and I have never felt anything like it. The fan bases are unreal. I think that factors into watching the product on the field with all of their night games. 

Let me get to my point, the SEC is seen as strong so when they beat each other it's just "Hey a good team beat a good team". They only time that was questioned was two years ago when they dropped all those games during bowl season. So here is the problem, if the BIG Ten is seen as weaker and doesn't have the non-conference games to prove their strength and then beat each other it won't be given benefit of the doubt the SEC would. 

The B1G must first prove it deserves the benefit of the doubt by winning big in bowl games, non-con games and sending talent to the top of draft before they will be given the credit you see in the SEC. 

My concern is that we are hurting ourself but limiting our chance to prove it and by creating more chances to drop a game in CON that will be held in a negative light. 

 

brad

May 22nd, 2016 at 4:05 AM ^

My ideal would be a full round robin and no conference championship game. That's not feasible these days, but the more conference games the better.

I'd be in favor of a ten game conference schedule, so every team would play each other at least twice in a four year period. That would also minimize the potential for Michigan State and Wisconsin to miss all of the good teams in the other division.



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Carcajou

May 22nd, 2016 at 10:57 AM ^

In a twelve game season, the ideal conference size is 8. That way you have enough room to schedule round robin AND get 5 non-conference games in- preferably 1 or 2 against southern teams; another on the west coast; another against a Big 12 opponent or ND. More exposure for recruits, and better for the fans living outside the footprint.

Unfortunately, 8 team conferences will never return.

Carcajou

May 23rd, 2016 at 10:31 AM ^

Whatever they do, how about a 'No Repeat' rule for cross-divisional games (Indiana-Purdue excepted). We play a fresh set of West Division teams from year to year, in addition to the same rivals in the Division. IOW, we play a West Division rival one year, we don't play them the next year, but possibly year 3 or 4. So we would be playing each Western team every 2 or 3 years, but that way we cycle through the whole lot faster.

This would actually allow the tension to build as such games would become more rare, special events.

tlo2485

May 22nd, 2016 at 7:16 AM ^

I like it. Combined with a bunch of awesome non conference games coming up is nice. Bring back ND, but only for series like we schedule other teams.

jblaze

May 22nd, 2016 at 8:30 AM ^

Don't like it with a 4 team playoff. One of the P5, maybe 3, if ND is ranked high enough is automatically out. 3 cupcakes help a 1 loss B1G winner.

UMForLife

May 22nd, 2016 at 9:02 AM ^

Unless B1G is going to put up decent teams and not just top heavy, this will not be a good move for B1G. Let us hope WISC, IOWA, NU and NEB stay competitive for longer periods of time. Otherwise, this will come back to bite us. Not to mention not able to play good out of conference games that often. But, looking at SEC, it is not like there are many great teams there. But, they have enough competitive teams that can give AL trouble. That is all you need in B1G. If we can have 4 or 5 teams that can give Harbaugh and Meyer enough trouble, the conference will be looked upon favorably. Then the cupcakes in B1G would be something we need (Rutgers, Purdue, Illinois).

One thing I would suggest is that MSU being moved to the other division. I don't want OSU in another division as we don't want to play them twice in a year. But having MSU in the other division helps shore up that division. I would not mind kicking their a** twice in a year. But it does give them much better chance of going to B1G championship more often than being in the same division as UM, OSU and PSU.

JayMo4

May 22nd, 2016 at 9:22 AM ^

I like the extra conference game, but would prefer it under a system where everyone had to play 9.  Say what you will about the committee taking SOS into account, but a loss is always worse than a better record against creampuff opponents.  If we lose that ninth conference game while an SEC team we're trying to beat out for a playoff spot is busy routing South Carolina State, we're the ones that pay the price and not them.

Basically, it's better for the fans, but is a competitive disadvantage until if and when the committee proves willing to punish an SEC team for playing four joke teams out of conference.