OT: Paterno knew of Sandusky abuse in 1976
The PSU cultists will still defend him.
http://www.pennlive.com/news/2016/05/court_filing_says_joe_paterno.html
A new bombshell dropped in the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal Thursday.It came in the form of a line in a court order on a related insurance coverage case involving Penn State, and its ramifications can't immediately be gauged.But that line was eye-popping in itself.The line in question states that one of Penn State's insurers has claimed "in 1976, a child allegedly reported to PSU's Head Coach Joseph Paterno that he (the child) was sexually molested by Sandusky."
If I'm not mistaken, in most parts of the country that is the law already.
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Penn State should be penalized for placing football above all else. Taking away their football program seems like fair punishment.
Yeah, I'm not really sure what else can happen beyond the terrible press. I assume the settlements the victims signed ended their chances at additional litigation (this is just more evidence of incompetence, not necessarily a new cause of action). I'm all for pounding PSU into submission, but at this point you really would be punishing people with absolutely no possible connection to Sandusky and Paterno beyond going to the school.
but sometimes when Daddy fucks up, the kids have a shitty christmas.
And they are getting their shitty christmas by being tied to all this in the first place.
bad press isn't a shitty christmas.
A shitty christmas is no football in your stocking.
Are you suggesting that the entire University knew about this? Should we include all faculty and students, possibly even alumni? Is there any precedence for this? maybe some mgolawyer cares to chime in, I have no idea.
I mean, Sandusky is in jail. Paterno is dead and his legacy destroyed. Most relevant members of the AD were fired and/or gone. I'm all for punishing people who deserve it, but at some point you aren't proving anything by further bombing PSU back into the Stone age, and in all likelihood people with no real connection to the program would suffer.
Let's say PSU's football team received more sanctions and they regressed back into mediocrity. So in all likelihood, attendance would go down, apparel sales would shrink, etc. Since football is the driving revenue generator for PSU athletics, this downturn would hurt their bottom dollar. While I'd love to say the guys making big salaries in the AD would see pay cuts, what would more likely happen is (a) PSU drops non-revenue programs either completely or down to club level, (b) fees from students and/or tax payers would go up to supplement the drop, or (c) people not at the top lose their jobs due to downsizing. Or some combination of those 3. In any case, you'd punish people who had nothing to do with the issue, and in all probability the people who would bear the brunt would be people whose biggest crime was attending/working at PSU. At this point, I guess I just don't see that being worth the public scorn anymore.
Innocent people would undoubtedly be hurt by canning the program.
I would like for them to admt their mistake in restoring Paterno's wins and reverse that decision. It's only a symbolic gesture, but perhaps that's most appropriate here.
then Penn State had better scrub the record books of a football program even existing from 1976 to the end of the JoePa era at minimum. It better look like their football program was droppedin the 70's and restarted this decade
I agree that the individuals were all punished (at least I think they were), and I want to make the argument that the fans had nothing to do with it, but it was so widespread AD, JoPa, local cops, and now the insurance company that it really is a culture problem. That culture should be wiped out.
The same culture exists at Tennesee and UNC and Miami, etc. Doesn't seem like the NCAA or anyone else is doing anything about it.
I'm not in the business of defending Paterno, but this is a triple-hearsay statement from an insurance company. Can we at least pause for a second to consider the veracity?
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I completely understand not jumping at every allegation and assuming it's true - I'm an employment law attorney (defense side) by trade, so I apprecaite skepticism towards alleged claims until the truth is discovered.
But I also can't ignore the fact that (a) there are multiple allegations that Paterno was aware of Sandusky's actions earlier than was determined outside of this one; (b) Paterno's change in course from Sandusky as a "head coach in waiting" was relatively abrupt without much explanation that causes a lot of suspicion; (c) the allegations are supported by the deposition of the vicitm in the indemnification claim; (d) while a defense attorney is likely to raise all defenses possible, they still could not knowingly put forth a false defense; (e) allegedly, the victim was already paid a settlement by Penn State, which although not dispositive, suggests that there may have been some merit to the claim.
I certainly appreciate being skeptical, and I don't have a problem with doing so, but to me there are a lot of circumstances that suggest that Paterno knew more than has been previously reported. We're not talking about trying to get to a level of criminal proof here, we're talking about whether or not we think Joe Paterno knew more, and is a bad person. So I'm sticking with my gun to the head.
I actually have handled a case in federal court which was similar to this one in terms of the issues (disgusting subject matter, obviously) for the insurer. I cosign your logic and agree with everything you say. There is a subsantal amount of direct evidence indiciating that at some point in 1976, or 1987 or 88, Paterno knew of the allegations. Also, there's Paterno's handwritten note from a 1998 meeting where he wrote down that Sandusky was not allowed in the locker room due to "liability issues." It's referenced in the Freeh report, and (to me) also shows he knew by then at the very latest. And perjured himself about it.
the response from the Joe bots going to be this time.
Your sadness is misplaced.
The victims are more deserving of your emotion.
Nostalgic memories of a *game* does not equal sadness.
A memory of a game back in the day is nothing compared to what the victims must go through on a regular basis.
But will Scott Paterno continue to call us scUM and TTUN on twitter?
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This is a strange way of thinking. He wouldn't have had a powerful public figure and university protecting him and giving him the space to operate and groom victims, take them on Penn state sanctioned trips as rewards, and possibly wouldn't have been able to do his charity thing. Sure he could have found a way, but I don't think you have a great argument here.
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I initially said that we could have remembered paterno for being a good coach had he fired Sandusky in the 70s. I purposefully ignored the ramifications of what might have happened to Sandusky and any other kids. I was then called out by you for ignoring it, so I defended my reasoning for ignoring it.
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lmao
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that can rectify this god awful reality. Sandusky is a monster and it appears Joe Pa had the opportunity to bring him to justice early on, but instead actively did nothing.
Sandusky is in jail, Joe Pa is dead, and the NCAA already punished PSU for the events.
A big spiteful part of me wants to blame the fans for putting him on this untouchable pedestal that allowed for something like this to occur. Giving PSU the death penalty would go a long way to put football back in its place amongst fans and to reinforce that it's just a game, and you can't hide things in your closet just because it is inconvenient for your football team.
But at the end of the day, this does nothing for the men who were molested by Sandusky as children, and really everyone who is directly responsible has already met their fate. Only thing you can really do is shake your head and feel terrible.
actually i think the death penalty might help bring some of the victims closure, instead of see penn state football everytime they turn on the tv in the fall