Is Lavall Jordan our Izzo?

Submitted by UMxWolverines on
Think about it. Up and coming assistant like he was. Izzo took over for a good not great Jud Heathcote. Lavell is known as a great recruiter. Does he take over once Beilein hangs it up?
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ThadMattasagoblin

February 16th, 2016 at 9:28 PM ^

I give Jordan credit for our offenses up until last year. We need defensive coaching like Matta just showed and big man play. I'm willing to let Laval stay on as long as we switch out the other 2 spots.

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Wolverine Devotee

February 16th, 2016 at 11:14 PM ^

So fire a guy who got us to one bullshit call away from possibly winning the national championship and hire a guy who hasn't even been to a Final Four?

That sounds like a pretty good idea.

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BursleyBaitsBus

February 16th, 2016 at 11:17 PM ^

Archie Miller is 37 years old and has a way higher ceiling than Beilein, who is 30 years his elder. 

But since you only want superstars. Gregg Marshall it is. Accomplished everything Beilein has at a 3rd fiddle school to KSU and KU. 

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Wolverine Devotee

February 16th, 2016 at 11:22 PM ^

I'm totally sure he'll want to come here after we fire our 3rd winningest coach in history. 

The recruiting is the big gripe with a lot of people. Gregg Marshall gonna get the 5 stars pounding on our door?

 

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BursleyBaitsBus

February 16th, 2016 at 11:27 PM ^

Your bantering is getting old. You have the same argument in every single Beilein thread without any support while moving goalposts. 

Idk if Marshall will get 5 stars, but since he definitely isn't recruiting them at WSU and is still demolishing opponents while getting lesser talent than KU or KSU, I'll gladly take him at Michigan with the resources we have in A2. 

 

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alum96

February 16th, 2016 at 9:37 PM ^

Like it or not Izzo is one of the best 10 coaches in the past 25 years.  And one of the top 5 tourney coaches. 

Projecting an assistant who has zero HC experience to Izzo is just conjecture.  You could ask if any assistant to any top 15-20 coach like Beilein is, who has been around 10ish years is the next Izzo.  And no one would know.

I dont know the tenure of the assistants at MSU, OSU, Florida, Louisville, Duke, Kansas, North Carolina - but you could pluck any of those guys who has been around 6-7 years and ask if he is Izzo.  And most likely none are.

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ThadMattasagoblin

February 16th, 2016 at 9:53 PM ^

Ellerbe, Amaker, and Beilen. After the scandal we decided that we should neglect basketball instead of playing to win. We may not have a Harbaugh but we could get a guy who can get us to the final four 3 times in a decade or so like Matta or Donovan.

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Erik_in_Dayton

February 16th, 2016 at 10:08 PM ^

...once in the '80s, and twice in the '90s. And the two '90s Final Fours were vacated. Michigan hadn't won the Big Ten regular season title since 1986 when Coach Beilein came on board. He's won two in nine years. He also hung a Final Four banner that won't be taken down. I don't know what to tell you about comparing Coach Beilein to Amaker and Ellerbe. Both had plenty of time and couldn't do anything.

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ThadMattasagoblin

February 16th, 2016 at 10:12 PM ^

At least we were talented most of those years in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Right now we've had three good years, 4 terrible years, and 2 ok years in the Beilen tenure. It's hard to say we can't be better when a school in our state built has gone to 7 final fours after coming from nothing.

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Erik_in_Dayton

February 16th, 2016 at 10:43 PM ^

The first year was terrible as the program transitioned, sure. But then they made the tournament for the first time in eleven years and won a tournament game. The third year was disappointing, though not an abject disaster. The fourth year they beat MSU twice and took Duke to the final buzzer in the second round. Last year they lost their best player (McGary) to a very stupid NCAA suspension. Then they lost arguably their second and third best players (Caris and Walton) to injury. And they still finished at .500 and beat OSU. This year they have a pretty good shot at the tournament despite again losing their best player for much of the season. Saying there have been four terrible years is really harsh. And I think you don't remember the '90s very well. After Jalen Rose and Juwan Howard left, the team was either not that talented or talented and woefully underachieving. The latter truly sucked. And some of those guys were taking illegal benefits to boot!

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Perkis-Size Me

February 16th, 2016 at 10:01 PM ^

People ask the same question about every Coach K assistant that walks out the door to go coach his own team, and I don't think any of them have become remotely close to what Coach K has become.

The Northwestern head man was a Duke assistant for a while, and his team is hot garbage. The truth is you just never know until you have a few years to sit back and see it unfold.



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Big Blue in WI

February 16th, 2016 at 10:17 PM ^

Need somebody on the staff who knows how to coach defense. Head man, assistant, whatever. If Lavalle can find that...may be a viable option, but after watching this team the last couple of months (and generally throughout the JB tenure, despite the success we enjoyed for a couple of years) somebody new needs to be brought in.

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bluestaffah

February 16th, 2016 at 10:28 PM ^

but defense is not solely a learned trait. Playing defense comes from within. You have to want to do it and I see very few on the current M roster that want to. You can teach the finer points but you can't teach fire in the belly. Until we have that on the blocks, the trend will continue. I for one am hoping Austin Davis can be that guy who starts to change the narrative. #GoBlue

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Big Blue in WI

February 16th, 2016 at 10:44 PM ^

I agree that a lot of what makes 'good defense' is the want to factor, and that coaching the finer points won't cure that. However, coaches need to demand that effort and hold the players accountable on that end of the floor. Doesn't seem like this has ever been a JB proiorty, and I don't see Jordan or Alexander placing much of an emphasis on it either.

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MichiganMan14

February 16th, 2016 at 10:17 PM ^

He does need to adjust though. He is lackluster in recruiting in relation to what he should be getting. His approach to the paint is plain incorrect. He does damage with elite wings though and coaches them up at an elite level. The problem is that we don't track to be an ELITE program anytime soon. MSU is ELITE now and will be for years to come. We shouldnt have to settle for second fiddle in hoops. Josh Jackson should be a Wolverine and would be if we had better recruiting in my opinion. Never really considered us and he was a home grown sure shot star. That is very telling. I'm not a Beilein basher...and he's done great things at Michigan. I just believe firmly...that he has peaked at Michigan. We had a shot at immortality a few years ago and it's going to burn for a very long time...especially given our current mediocrity.

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Voltron Blue

February 16th, 2016 at 11:17 PM ^

You clearly know nothing about Josh Jackson.  Either that, or about the way that Michigan approaches its basketball program.  

Unless Warde decides it's time to change the "culture" of the program (and to be clear, by that I mean our willingness to wade into gray areas or outright rule-restricted areas), then we're NEVER going to get a Josh Jackson.  

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MichiganMan14

February 17th, 2016 at 12:05 AM ^

Every other program is filthy dirty except us.....we always use this excuse. If we can't land Josh Jackson....whose from Detroit. ...how did we land a #4 recruiting class in football. Harbaugh recruits and gets it done. Simple. Clearly you don't have the same opinion of Michigan's ceiling as I do. Jackson should be playing at the crib. We failed in not landing him. We wait forever to extend offers and come off as a very preppy program at times. ...fair or unfair. That is the image that Michigan is beginning to carry....and that's per prominent high school coaches...not necessarily my opinion.

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Voltron Blue

February 17th, 2016 at 12:35 AM ^

Jesus, man.  That might be a reasonable take if we were talking about, I dunno, Tyus Battle to Syracuse or something.  Jackson is in another stratosphere.  It would be like wondering why we didn't recruit Cam Newton.  My point stands...clearly you don't know this specific situation very well.

Beyond that, you're lumping in all kinds of other arguments that don't relate here.

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2manylincs

February 17th, 2016 at 1:25 AM ^

Anyone who thinks that a beilein team can be in on jackson has lost their mind! If you see a resurrected ed martin at crisler, then we have a chance, but until then theres no way. At this point izzo is dirty and its too bad really. I think its well known at this point that hes the coach off blue chips and jackson is his neon bedeaux.. After he lost parker, he gave in to the game.

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Trip McNeely

February 17th, 2016 at 2:12 AM ^

They are extremely different. The obvious you are signing 25-30 kids in football and maybe 2-3 in basketball. AAU and summer ball really drive college bball and where kids will go. Kids like a Josh Jackson usually have "handlers" who take money in exchange to steer kids to schools. Now I'm not saying Josh has taken money from schools or has these "handlers" but when it comes to top ten kids in bball I'm willing to bet 9 out of those ten kids do. It's just a different beast all together and one Beilein won't get involved in. He has gotten lucky with kids like McGary who didn't have these handlers and so he recruited clean and hard and got him. He got lucky with GR3 and Burke and Hardaway. Those guys were not highly rated when they commuted to play for him. GR3 commuted as an unranked three star. What we are seeing right now is recruiting misses and people not developing the way Beilein thought they would or should.

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BlueIsland

February 17th, 2016 at 11:49 AM ^

Kids like Josh Jackson are beyond "handlers" receiving money for them. I said this before in another thread, the only two questions he has for perspective schools are:

  1.  How are you going to showcase me for the one year that I am here
  2. What additional endoresement deals are you going to help me secure once I turn pro.

That's it. Josh Jackson is one of the faces of USA Basketball and a guaranteed top five pick in the 2017 draft. He is working on securing a 50 million dollar shoe contract, not some bullsh*t chump change from a booster. That stuff is so 80's and 90's.

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2manylincs

February 20th, 2016 at 4:04 PM ^

Im sure that jackson will be driving around lexington or lawrence or wherever in a beat up old cavalier and eating ramen like every other student. And like he would be at um.. Get a life. Hes looking for those things but he is also going to get his (which he should be able to if you ask me, but thats another conversation). Dont fool yourself.

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Franz Schubert

February 16th, 2016 at 10:55 PM ^

Is a lack of accountability. This staff does not DEMAND effort and that's why it's optional, especially on defense. Izzo will not stand for a lackadaisical effort, he calls timeouts and publicly calls his kids and team out immediately. That's how you get consistent effort that is missing with Michigan. How many terrible shots early in the playclock can guys take before it is made unmistakenly clear that it will not be tolerated?

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