OT-Peyton Manning...might NOT be a good dude.
I had heard rumors about this incident before (including on this board) but never anything in a legitimate news outlet until I saw this article in the NY Daily News this morning.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-peyton-manning-squeaky-cl…
Obviosuly both sides have their own version of events but this is not a good look for Peyton or the Manning family and some of it is pretty disturbing.
I've never been a big fan of Manning because I think he's a phony who smiles for the camera and is probably not the great guy everyone makes him out to be in his off-camera life but this is worse than I thought.
February 13th, 2016 at 11:26 PM ^
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February 13th, 2016 at 12:43 PM ^
You're avoiding the topic. I didn't ask if you were her owner. I didn't ask if you would let her go.
I asked if you would be okay with her going. Your avoidance indicates to me that no, you would not be okay with your girlfriend going to a frat party all alone.
Men aren't "rape machines." SOME men struggle to control themselves, especially when in certain environments. This has been proven in many different ways. For example, there was the Stanford study where some student subjects were guards, while other student subjects were prisoners. And despite not being evil people, the students who were "guards" gradually treated the "prisoners" with more and more disrespect because of their perceived position of authority. Context matters.
That doesn't mean it's okay. It means that it's probably a bad idea to put people in bad situations.
February 13th, 2016 at 12:45 PM ^
Even though your example is probably the most extreme and unrealistic situation you could conjure up I would have no issue with her going.
February 13th, 2016 at 12:48 PM ^
You, sir, are the most trusting individual on the planet. Good for you, I guess.
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February 13th, 2016 at 12:31 PM ^
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February 13th, 2016 at 1:41 PM ^
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February 13th, 2016 at 12:30 PM ^
Magnus, I didn't neg you, but read the court document noted in the story before passing judgement. It's a real eye opener not only about Manning but the culture that was prevalent at Tennessee.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2712091/Factsofthecase.pdf
February 13th, 2016 at 1:11 PM ^
February 13th, 2016 at 2:36 PM ^
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February 13th, 2016 at 1:00 PM ^
I've been examined by female trainers many times in my (now long ago) athletic career. I've been examined by female doctors. At no time, in all the years of going through physical examinations by women, have I had the urge to purposefully thrust my genatalia into their face. Maybe I never felt the surge of testosterone that a possible stress fracture of the foot can induce, but this is something I would never even consider doing. I'd guess that close to 100% of MGoBloggers would never do anything like this either.
This argument that females shouldn't be trainers is also ridiculous. My mother is a physician. She never experienced much in the way of misogyny, but there are not many female doctors older than my mother because for of this same "the hospital is no place for a woman" logic.
Magnus, you provide great free content and I love 95% of your posts. But this one is very poor. And your attempt at an analogy between a female trainer in a professional setting and a single woman going alone to a frat party is just--an unintelligent argument.
As Mark Jackson would say to JVG, "Come on Coach, you're better than this!"
February 13th, 2016 at 1:05 PM ^
Personally, I have never had the inclination to murder anyone. Therefore, no one has ever thought about murder. Is that accurate?
February 14th, 2016 at 7:45 AM ^
Exactly. Murderers are jerks who lack morals/control/judgement and should be in prison. I don't think Manning should be in jail, but as a 20 year old he lacked morals/control/judgement. His doubling down on his defense speaks to how much he has changed.
This was all public back in [98] or so and I remember the story and thought it was a poor choice for the media to elect him as their darling. That is an additional reason why it has been great that Tom Brady has been so awesome and Woodson won the Heisman. I never liked Manning because of this.
I guess the court documents are new and caused this to errupt here and on FB.
February 13th, 2016 at 12:24 PM ^
I was with you until the hormones thing. The rest I agree with. Our own hockey coach was charged with urinating in public and our football coach was charged with dui.
February 13th, 2016 at 12:28 PM ^
There's nothing to disagree with when it comes to hormones. Should our brains be able to overpower our hormones? Sure. Do they always succeed? No. It's a fact of life. It goes both ways. You can talk logic to a hormonal female, too, but sometimes hormones trump logic. Humans realized this centuries ago.
The key is to minimize the situations in which that is allowed to become a problem.
February 13th, 2016 at 12:31 PM ^
The other key is to hold the guilty party responsible. Every time. Saying "it's not entirely Manning's fault" is where you went horribly wrong. It IS his fault.
February 13th, 2016 at 12:37 PM ^
Sure, it's his fault...mostly. It also likely wouldn't have happened if a female weren't in the training room with him. And that's not her fault, but the institution's.
February 13th, 2016 at 12:56 PM ^
So a female doctor or nurse shouldn't be treating men's prostate gland problems, right? Not that I know of any female urologist or such. Just checking.
February 13th, 2016 at 1:06 PM ^
I don't know. Are these prostate exams taking place in a football locker room with 100 other 20-year-old men around?
February 14th, 2016 at 2:25 PM ^
While you're at it, blacks should be kept out of white neighborhoods, white schools, white businesses, white water fountains and white everything, that way we could eliminate all acts of racism, abuse and violence from whites who can't control themselves. In fact if all blacks were kept in prison it would protect all good white folks from any possible black crime and protect white people from their uncontrollable urge to fuck over black people. Why didn't anyone think of that great solution before...... oh, wait... er... uh...
Listen, you should put yourself forward to become Trump's running mate, or maybe you can head the new cabinet post in the Rape Prevention Department with a plan for putting all women and girls on reservations or in FEMA camps for their own protection because whose great idea was it to mix females and men in this testosterone dominated society anyway? Don't put them in harms way!
In fact, why not really protect them with solitary confinement from cradle to grave? Just put glory holes in every cell so that men can still be serviced.
Why, you're going to get us "our" country back! Back to when men were men, women were men's property and nigra's were slaves and beating them all were your shows of love and affection. It always feels like a kiss.
February 13th, 2016 at 12:56 PM ^
He is 100% in the wrong for his actions. The institution is wrong for not holding him accountable.
Just because it may not have happened if a female wasn't in the training room doesn't make it okay or give an excuse to withhold all the blame from Manning.
February 13th, 2016 at 1:06 PM ^
I'm not saying he's absent of blame. I'm saying there's blame to go around.
February 13th, 2016 at 1:10 PM ^
Female trainers should be safe. No matter how badly they are outnumbered by men. The blame is 100% on Peyton Manning for being an asshole with his actions. The blame is also on the Tennessee football program and university for not holding him accountable for his asshole behavior. If he had been punished appropriately and other institutions and teams did the same, maybe it'd be a safer environment. The answer isn't to close women off to an entire job market. The answer is to address inappropriate behaviors and punish them when necessary.
February 13th, 2016 at 1:32 PM ^
I've addressed the word "should" several times in this thread. It's not a very good argument.
February 13th, 2016 at 1:43 PM ^
Yours is an insufficient argument. Just because an area is a place where women shouldn't go, doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything to make it a safe for place for them to go. Educate men on women's rights. Educate them on sexism in sports.
February 13th, 2016 at 1:45 PM ^
When did I say that men shouldn't be educated about this type of thing?
February 13th, 2016 at 1:55 PM ^
You certainly don't seem to think that sports are an arena where sexism should be addressed.
And if young men are educated on this type of thing, then the training room should be a safe place for female trainers.
February 13th, 2016 at 2:13 PM ^
Again, when did I say that sexism shouldn't be addressed? You're projecting.
Also, you're still not understanding the comments on the word "should." That word is largely irrelevant here. I'm not talking about what SHOULD happen. I'm talking about what DOES happen.
February 13th, 2016 at 2:28 PM ^
And what does happen is in many many places, women go unharrassed because men have respect for women. It doesn't just happen because it's in public places. By eliminating women from a sporting environment, you tell men "This is YOUR domain. YOU are in power."
February 14th, 2016 at 6:39 PM ^
Crime DOES happen. That doesn't mean that it is partially the fault of the victim, because they shouldn't have the expectation of the protection of the law enforcement and justice system. What DOES happen, I agree, is that college administrators engage in a criminal conspiracy to protect their star athletes from the consequences of their actions. Some argue that it doesn't matter that they SHOULD not engage in criminal behavior, because all that matter is that they DO. People who argue that don't understand how societies work.
February 13th, 2016 at 2:16 PM ^
Employers are legally obligated to provide a safe working environment for their employees. This is not something they merely should do.
February 13th, 2016 at 2:36 PM ^
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February 14th, 2016 at 2:30 PM ^
You're right about that, the blame can go to Manning, his father, the football staff, the athletic department and a bunch of other assholes in society who help enable and perpetuate this shit with their ignorant & idiotic caveman attitudes.
February 13th, 2016 at 12:35 PM ^
Maybe I should try whipping out my dick and balls and putting them on my girlfriend's face tomorrow and just blame it on hormones...I'm sure she'll understand.
February 13th, 2016 at 12:38 PM ^
That's not what I'm saying, and you know it.
February 13th, 2016 at 1:24 PM ^
What you're saying is much, much dumber.
February 13th, 2016 at 1:37 PM ^
A lecture on propriety from Charlie Sheen. How ironic.
February 13th, 2016 at 2:31 PM ^
Pssst, it's not actually Charlie Sheen, it's just an avatar.
And Pssst, you're digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole. A man born in the 1920s would find your ideas about man-woman relationships outmoded and barbaric...
February 13th, 2016 at 2:42 PM ^
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February 13th, 2016 at 3:30 PM ^
And you're just choosing to be represented by the thoughts of a terrible human being posting as Magnus in this thread. Which is a good enough reason not to care about your vulgar, pointless, childish opinions.
February 13th, 2016 at 12:58 PM ^
Dude, what's the point of having a girlfriend if you can't occasionally put your dick and balls on her face? I'm being 100% serious.
I would immediately dispose of a girl who is so uptight that she couldn't get a laugh from that.
February 13th, 2016 at 3:33 PM ^
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February 14th, 2016 at 6:41 PM ^
That was well-played! I am in awe.
February 14th, 2016 at 2:35 PM ^
You know there are probably always gay men in every football locker room, so in order to prevent the possibility that they would do to Manning and Magnus what Manning did to Dr. Jamie, because, you know, hormones, all straight men should be kept out of locker rooms along with women, just to avoid all potential problems. I'm glad you're helping us get to the bottom of all this Mags, thanks!
February 13th, 2016 at 12:39 PM ^
February 13th, 2016 at 12:44 PM ^
I agree that he's wrong. But he's not the ONLY one to blame.