OT 2015 Forbes Top U.S. Colleges announced (B1G)
Forbes Magazine is out with its list of top colleges in the U.S.
B1G members:
19 - Northwestern
45 - Michigan
68 - Illinois
70 - Wisconsin
82 - Maryland
107 - Indiana
108 - Minnesota
119 - Purdue
155 - thebucksarenuts
166 - Penn St.
169 - MSU
177 - Rutgers
192 - Iowa
280 - Nebraska
The full list can be seen here: http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/
thebucksarenuts? Really?
Williams? Swarthmore? Pamona?
lol. And don't give me this "they're great schools!" nonsense.
These Forbe articles are nothing but an open hand from Forbes to have these smaller schools get advertisement and for Forbes to get some back door money - enrollment at small liberal art schools has been in decline since the last recession. Gee, I wonder why?
They're paying to have articles/rankings written like this so they can try and reverse the declining enrollment.
at liberal arts schools has fallen because employers are too stupid to recognize the value of a liberal arts education now. They want their robots well trained and ready to go from day one.
That said, this list, and Forbes in general, sucks ass.
It WASN'T that kind of liberal.
Sometimes you say things that make me think you have a near genius lQ, and then other times you talk about the liberal boogey man hiding behind every corner.
Are you involved in academia or did you read that from an article linked on the Drudge Report? When have universities ever not been a primary vector and incubator of political thought and philosophy (new or old)? Across the political spectrum, professors profess and student clubs develop thought leaders and mindless drones alike. Words like "doctrine" or "fanatic" are terms applied pejoritively to a philsophy you disagree with or feel is extreme, both subjective individual judgements. Nothing has been "taken over", it's always been this way.
And if it feels like "leftist" political doctrine is taking over university liberal arts programs it's merely a sign of the times - the prevailing political zeitgeist - not a cause of it, nor a malevolent coordinated plan. Millenials tend to be liberal. The opposite was true during the Reagan era with those damn free market, small government fanatics (for instance at U Chicago and USC) preaching their doctrine of monetarism and supply-side economics...
Universities are an incubator of a particular kind of political thought. And students must be protected by trigger warnings and safe spaces, lest anyone be offended by a dissenting opinion.
For every student that is as soft as those kids, there are 100 that aren't.
The social media age gives a voice to the people who incite rabid emotion ie extremists. Most people don't give a fuck.
So you can keep generalizing all of us somewhere else.
I will be entering my senior year at Michigan this fall, and while I never said that 99 out of 100 are soft, there are a lot more than there used to be. I've seen girls on several occasions take offense when I held doors open for them around campus. What used to be called "being nice" is now a sign of male patriarchy. And I know that's just one small anecdote. I could go on, but I won't.
That's the sign of a fucking bitch. Holding a door open for someone, male or female, is just common courtesy. Would she have preferred that you slam it in her face?
Yes, they would prefer that. Feminists believe that men opening doors for them is a sign of oppression. Men who are nice to women are actually sexist these days, according to some.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2988310/How-smile-reveal…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003821/Feminists-claim-men-hol…
Using the word "feminists" as reference to some kind of unified, singular group betrays one's lack of understanding of feminism, both contemporary and historically.
I know not all feminists think that way, or even a majority of them, but a significant number of them do.
Funny story about one of those articles.
Benovolent Sexism and Hostile Sexism popped up on my actual MCATs.
I lost like 3 minutes on 1 question cuz I was so dumbfounded at the fact that something called benovolent sexism can actually exist haha.
The term just strikes me as someone not being able to get over the fact that men are biologically superior and thus like to help women out in certain circumstances.
Another example of what over-analyzation can do to society. An unfortunate byproduct of advancing tech and knowledge.
When my wife asks for help opening a jar I just sit back and laugh.
#notsexist
I was so dumbfounded ... that something called benovolent [sic] sexism can actually exist
Oh, okay. I can easily explain this concept to you. Let me just make sure I don't miss any part of your point....
men are biologically superior and thus like to help women out in certain circumstances.
You are kidding, right? I mean, hey, at least you're honest.
I cannot even begin to fathom this remark. It's like you have not even the basest grasp of what the word "biologically superior" actually means. Anthropologists used to think this way based on measuring the circumference of the skulls of non-white humans. They found that the skulls of non-white people were smaller. Therefore, they argued, their brains were smaller. The narrative they then fed was that whites are intellectually superior.
Look--anyone can look at Twitter flame wars and Tumblr microaggressions blogs and then claim they're ridiculous. But if you do not have even the most basic understanding of all the political theory and philosophy that underly critiques of Western cultural constructions, then PLEASE do not remark upon them. That'd be like me saying, "Ugh, Linux operating systems are the worst," based on five (or five hundred!) remote interactions with the interface. In reality, I know nothing about Linux: I have never used it, and I do not intend to use it. I might not like the aesthetic, and I may think that because I have seen it in action, I understand it enough to pass judgment. In reality, I have not spent any time trying to understand deeply why it is so commonly used, and I am therefore not remotely qualified to comment on the efficiency of the OS or the wisdom of its users. In turn, I should trust that Linux has some degree of utility and makes sense to at least a certain user base. Otherwise, it would not be so popular.
This thread is swiftly becoming a candidate for closure because it is becoming political. But my point is this: Instead of just deeming something foreign as bad and wrong because it offends your sensibilities of what should be said and done, consider that there are literally millions of people--many of them both more successful and resonant than either you or I--who have over the course of centuries studied, written, and organized against sexism, including benevolent sexism. Until you have engaged with that interface on more than the most basic level, please refrain from commenting.
Of all the things that definitely happened, this definitely happened the most. If the evil feminzazi scourge was upset with him, it was for sure because he was trying to be polite, and not for some faux pas he definitely didn't commit.
I just graduated last year and have never had that happen to me. I've heard stories of it, but you're falling into a classic representative heuristic... you know anecdotes and all...
Again... in college these things will be higher than the norm. You're not going to see anybody doing this in real life.
As a small example, the amount of my friends that were involved in SJW activities in college dropped significantly in real life when they realized that many of the peripheral shit emphasized in the classroom don't mean anything in the real world. (ie your door holding example)
That's fair, and I also want to point out that I did mention what I was saying is simply an anecdote. And you used an anecdote as well, which is fine! While probably a majority of SJW's do what you are saying, I think there are many who are unlikely to change.
As for my anecdote, I'm more fascinated by that kind of behavior than anything else. I truly don't understand why doing nice things is offensive. Maybe I'm just ignorant.
Yeah I get what you're saying.
With regards to my anecdote vs yours', it was just an example of the opposite happening. I would also say my scenario is more "generalizationable" if we're going that path given trends in history and Occam's Razor.
Blog typing is tough.
Cheers.
The problem is, you're saying there's a "significant amount" of these door-holding-hating feminists based on your extremely limited anecdotal experience.
A certain top-polling presidential candidate has been in trouble for calling a miniscule segment of a population "significant."
Stats and facts and such should be playing a bigger role in any discussions like this.
I have never had someone, male or female "take offense." I've had people not say "thank you." Thats about as far as it went. And I went to the "liberal bastion of femininity" UC Berkeley.
Sounds like you got other issues you are either ignoring or shouldn't be feeding.
Sent from MGoBlog HD for iPhone & iPad
That shit about car doors, doors in general and some women taking offense has been going on for forty years or better. Of course forty some years ago it is quite possible that the woman berating you for holding a door open for them would have the decency of not wearing a bra.
That this post is FUNNY! is the only reason I logged in.
Since, well, always, they have hired business and law grads. That hasn't changed. what's changed is consumer choice and preference. Though I know it's super easy to be anti employer, espcially for people of a certain, loveable POV, this might actually be the result of choice. Not to mention that liberal arts schools tend to be hugely expensive compared to others.
Umm... SLAs are actually pretty good schools. Swat is a great school even if the kids are weirdos that go there (live right next to Swat)
It's right up there with Middlebury, Amherst, Haverford, Bryn Mawr etc..
These schools are huge on the east coast... so... I don't expect them to get much play nationally. Hence why a lot of the MGoBloggers don't even know them LOL.
They generally aren't even ranked with your typical big schools anyway.
This list is very biased against public schools tho.
I grew up on the east coast and they were not "huge". For most kids, it was Ivy or bust.
I did too. They're huge especially for the children of hippies, so obviously it depends on your crowd and most people know of them. I would also say they are more popular in PA and NJ than they are in CT and MA. And well... they're not typically for your standard professional career trajectory types either.
A lot of the smartest people I know went to SLAs vs Ivies. I just don't understand how kids can like the campuses. They're beautiful, but most of their student bodies are smaller than your average high school in Michigan LOL.
If my social experience at college was like high school where the whole school would find out about my stupidity and escapades the next day, I wouldn't have survived.
Those are sort of the equivalent of schools like Kenyon or Denison in the mid-west. Small, artsy, sometimes hippy-ish, liberal schools. I'm generalizing from own experience, but most people I've met who attended those type schools don't have to worry about "marketable skills" in the real world (due to their backgrounds) and instead study something interesting to them - art, writing, history. Can't blame them.
If you've never heard of and don't have respect for these schools, that's on you, not them.
Sent from MGoBlog HD for iPhone & iPad
Went to Haven for high school, rival school district. So I spent more time running around Swat's campus than the students did themselves. lol
Don't forget Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook.
OP, you don't know what you're talking about. Williams and Pomona are, by almost any standard, top-ten colleges. (US News ranks them both in the top five.) Academically, they're on par with the top Ivies, and their acceptance standards are among the highest in the world. The whole "declining enrollment" thing doesn't really apply to these schools. And, anyway, the broader decline in college enrollment isn't about quality. it's about cost. Private colleges are more expensive than public ones. In a recession, guess what happens?
Also, your logic is bizarre. So these tiny little colleges, with their relatively small endowments, are buying off Forbes? But the huge top-flight universities, with their massive endowments, are helpless lambs?
You can't underestimate name cache. It's not necessarily a quantifiable piece of data, but that carries significant value that these lists don't capture.
As background, I am married to a Williams grad. So I have learned quite a bit about the school, have met many Williams alums, and have visited the campus many times. Based on everything I have learned and witnessed, I have no reason to question the legitimacy of Williams' ranking specifically or similar schools broadly.
And I call b.s. on your assertion that their enrollment is declining at liberal arts colleges, at least the ones at or near the top of this list. They remain some of the most selective schools in the country with significantly lower acceptance rates than most schools including Michigan.
The idea that these schools would have to pay magazines for favorable rankings in order to drum up more applicants is ludicrous.
I don't know about the relative merit of the schools in the rankings, but I used to work for a company that did press with Forbes and they absolutely will cater to those who will give them some copy to fill pages. At this point, Forbes is basically Buzzfeed with a slightly more traditional name attached to it. There is no world in which f*ing Williams College (a perfectly fine school) is ranked 6 spots ahead of Harvard. And while the the service academies provide a good education, Forbes conveniently ignores the whole "you have to serve in the military" part of the equation.
That didn't take long.
That seems low for us.
Edit: After actually looking at the list, I've learned not to take this ranking seriously. Never heard of half those schools. What is this ranking based on?
Looks like Chapel Hill's the best bargain at #50 and a mere $45K per year. Plus you don't actually have to go to class to get a degree, apparently, so you can work two full time jobs to pay for it.
Little brother is well, proving to be little brother as they continue to bring up the rear in most academic surveys. Guess people don't value the school of animal husbandry like they once use to.