If Hoke is NOT let go right away will the non-Muggles try and save him?
Assuming Hoke is not let go in the next 24 hours will the players and ex-players FINALLY acknowledge what us Muggles have known for quite some time - that Hoke is not the answer as HC? Given that all season we have been told by players and ex-players just how insanely awesome Hoke is and that he just needs a bit more time to turn things around I'm wondering if any of them will break ranks and call for the dismissal of their good friend Brady Hoke.
My fear remains that those with influence inside the Athletic Department will continue to lobby for Hoke to be retained to preserve their buddy's career in spite of his horrendous and declining record. And like it or not they have access to Hackett that we do not enjoy so right or wrong their voice campaigning loudly to save their buddy will be heard while ours is not.
November 29th, 2014 at 3:48 PM ^
I'm not sure but we can always speculate.
Regardless, he should be gone within the week.
November 29th, 2014 at 4:12 PM ^
Pasch asked him if he thinks Hoke is gone and instead of giving the normal political answer. Griese said: "I think so, and I think Michigan has the right AD to find the right guy to coach. Brady is a good man, but he knows it's a performance business and he hasn't performed."
November 29th, 2014 at 3:48 PM ^
Just shut up. Hoke should be fired, and the players under Hoke should be allowed to like their coach.
November 29th, 2014 at 3:55 PM ^
or more. What in the world can possibly justify so much hate? A guy tried his best, he failed. It wasn't because he didn't give enough, or try enough. It wasn't because he didn't feel responsible. His players love him for a reason, and he should be respected for that.
November 29th, 2014 at 4:14 PM ^
November 29th, 2014 at 4:48 PM ^
He said Hoke should be fired just as RR was for continued shitty performances. That doesn't mean RR's players shouldn't have been behind him or that Hoke's players shouldn't support him.
November 29th, 2014 at 4:58 PM ^
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November 29th, 2014 at 3:48 PM ^
It won't happen today or likely not tomorrow, but come Monday or Tuesday morning, it will happen.
November 29th, 2014 at 4:59 PM ^
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November 29th, 2014 at 3:49 PM ^
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November 29th, 2014 at 5:48 PM ^
When you fire someone, you make it swift. Don't let the person and his cronies linger around.
We've been through this before.
November 29th, 2014 at 3:49 PM ^
PSL's
Season Ticket Renewals
Donors
Stadium Debt Debenture Servicing
100k
AD in the black or in the red.
These factors outweigh non-muggle defenses (if that's possible, now) of Hoke
Bottom Line.
November 29th, 2014 at 3:49 PM ^
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like to retain him STILL, I can't see even those in power seeing him as the answer, or that they would disrespect the muggles who back the program so much that they wouldn't fear a REVOLT if he was retained.
November 29th, 2014 at 3:50 PM ^
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November 29th, 2014 at 3:51 PM ^
If they start making an argument to keep Hoke and you're in the vicintity just start ironically clapping at them until they stop.
November 29th, 2014 at 3:54 PM ^
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November 29th, 2014 at 3:52 PM ^
Unless a new coach is announced the same time the old one is fired, that's one less person that can sell a recruit on Michigan. It's likely to be a "move in a different direction" mutual parting of ways rather than a press release termination.
November 29th, 2014 at 3:53 PM ^
OP i mean this with all the sincerity I can muster:
Players are allowed to have opinions and feelings towards coaches.
Kids sometimes get heated and say things they don't mean or regret.
You are a grown man, stop passively agressively holding it against them.
Be mature.
Stop bringing up the "muggles" term.
Just shut up.
November 29th, 2014 at 3:57 PM ^
And the 30 and 40 year old men (Ray, Howard, ect) who have been publically campaining for him? What about those guys? Those arent kids - those are people with opinions and influence.
Ignore them if you will. I happen to think their opinion carries much more weight than you do it seems.
November 29th, 2014 at 4:06 PM ^
You're right. I forsee them hijacking the athletic department at gunpoint, tying up Hackett in his office, and communicating through his email to schlissel to give Hoke another season.
A foolproof plan
November 29th, 2014 at 4:26 PM ^
November 29th, 2014 at 9:43 PM ^
The answer to your repetitive question is yes. You are wrong on both counts. He is neither a troll nor a 12 year old.
November 29th, 2014 at 4:59 PM ^
I'm not sure where you are getting your information but I heard him explain it pretty clearly that he's an analyst and therefore it isn't his place to call for him to be retained or fired. He made that very clear. He thinks Hoke is a great guy and is going to support the team to the end but that and saying he's going to back Hoke are two different things.
November 29th, 2014 at 8:33 PM ^
He did say he would have Hoke back another year if he was the AD. Sam and Marcus did the Huge Show a week or so ago and he did say that.
I would hope nobody takes Marcus Ray serious though. I wish WTKA would stop having him on.
November 29th, 2014 at 3:58 PM ^
They're allowed to have opinions, but they don't have to display them in a manner that makes it seem like they're above the fans.
November 29th, 2014 at 6:54 PM ^
Players and ex-players shouldn't act like condescending jerks. However, they DO have more of an investment in the program than your average fan. That shouldn't be totally ignored.
November 29th, 2014 at 3:59 PM ^
Did you know he gave up his season tickets this year?
November 29th, 2014 at 4:03 PM ^
Did he? Damn - maybe the dude knows what he's taling about then. Seems like that move was certainly on the money anyways.
November 29th, 2014 at 4:16 PM ^
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November 29th, 2014 at 5:27 PM ^
I didn't say it was a bad thing....
November 29th, 2014 at 4:36 PM ^
November 29th, 2014 at 3:59 PM ^
Add into that the interference of the Michigan Men in not hiring Miles in 2007 and in focusing on Hoke in 2008. I think this is a legitimate post.
November 29th, 2014 at 4:04 PM ^
We just had michigan miss a bowl game for like the 3rd time in the last 50 years.
Who's gonna stick up for Hoke now?
What Michigan Men are left to hire, and who would advocate for them?
November 29th, 2014 at 4:16 PM ^
It's been 40 years.
We missed a bowl in 2008, 2009, and now 2014. The last time before that was in 1974 as 10-1 Michigan stayed home after Greg "Super Toe" Lantry missed a 33 yard FG with 16 seconds left that would have given Michigan a 13-12 victory over OSU.
November 29th, 2014 at 4:17 PM ^
That kick was good by the way Mutley. He just kicked it too high.
November 29th, 2014 at 7:23 PM ^
For Chrissakes get your player's names straight. The Michigan kicker was Mike Lantry. Greg Landry was the Lions QB from '68 to '78.
And referring to '74 (as well as '70, '72, and '73) as a year we missed a bowl without providing the full context is misleading anyhow. We finished 10-1, but because of the criminally stupid Big Ten rules at the time, only the conference champion could go to a bowl game. 9-2 Notre Dame got into the Orange Bowl. 9-2 Penn State played 8-3 Baylor in the Cotton Bowl, and it's almost a certainty that a 10-1 Michigan would have been selected ahead of either ND or PSU for a spot in one of those New Year's Day bowls.
November 30th, 2014 at 4:08 PM ^
and obviously overlooked the Mike vs Greg, even though I Googled "Lantry".
November 29th, 2014 at 4:33 PM ^
You talking about this? http://mgoblog.com/content/hokepoints-keep-believing
If so, then wow. The piece was a rallying cry that exhorted the fans to support the team through high and low. You'd have to be a pretty butthurt fan to take it as "only Michigan players had opinions that mattered."
November 29th, 2014 at 3:58 PM ^
I'll be honest. I donated $20,000 to the university last year. If they don't fire Hoke and get a guy who can coach and develop players, I will seriously consider not donating until they do...or at least not nearly as much. The athletic director needs to be sent a message.
November 29th, 2014 at 4:17 PM ^
...of a similar contribution program in Dec 2010 (deductibility reasons). I wish I had waited. I was mad as hell when Hoke was hired. I haven't made a contribution since and I'm unlikely to in the future. I also gave up 35 years of season tickets at that time.
I feel your pain, but this isn't going to get better soon.
November 29th, 2014 at 4:25 PM ^
you could also contribute some of that fat cash to me.
November 29th, 2014 at 4:39 PM ^
...a run-oriented spread and use the cash to hire a good DC?
November 29th, 2014 at 4:43 PM ^
yes
and I'll call myself whatever you want me to call myself.
November 29th, 2014 at 4:47 PM ^
...will you wear a headset (and actually listen to the communication)?