Will Muschamp Out as Florida HC

Submitted by 814 East U on

FLorida dismissed Will M. So our turn now right?

Meanwhile in college RT @Andy_Staples: http://SI.com  has learned that Will Muschamp has been dismissed at Florida. Story upcoming.

[EDIT]: Will may have stepped down (Brandon-style). Regardless, he will not be coaching Florida next season. 

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funkywolve

November 16th, 2014 at 12:20 PM ^

If she doesn't want to leave the bay area she needs to tell Jim either to make up with the 49ers management or find a different career so they can stay in the bay area.  If you're going to be the wife of a coach in the NFL, you hopefully realize that you're are probably going to be moving a few times throughout your husband's career.

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Badkitty

November 16th, 2014 at 3:09 PM ^

Any of you guys are actually married and have kids?  Harbaugh has 2 sets of kids in California from his ex-wife and his current one.  He's probably paying child support and alimony for his ex.  I don't think he's going to risk a second divorce since that'll mean more bunches of millions to the current wife to be his next ex-wife.  Plus that means he'll have limited access to his kids while they are in California.  If his wife is adamant they stay in California, I'm willing to bet he stays.

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bluewoody

November 16th, 2014 at 12:43 PM ^


Don't blame them. We should be doing the same. Gators probably have their coach lined up right now. That is how big boy's play and we fumble like amateurs. I really wonder about the people at UM. They think they are brilliant but they can't handle the most basic measures. Once again we are a day late and dollar short unless harbaugh is locked up. Truthfully if we don't get harbaugh I think this program is lost. I mean ten years of sucking lost. The M in incompetence may stand for a Michigan. We are not even mediocre anymore

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Danwillhor

November 16th, 2014 at 1:36 PM ^

I said the same thing and was told I was being irrational. That may be true (we'll see) but given the CFB landscape and how we got in it right now it truly does feel like it has to be Jim. Michigan needs to be MICHIGAN again and real f'n soon or this is truly where we'll likely be for a long time. We need a HUGE hire when there only seems to be a few options right now and as far fetched as it seems (and feels) Jim is the most likely and most qualified/obvious, IMO. I really do think it's Jim or bust.

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Danwillhor

November 16th, 2014 at 1:53 PM ^

he's a dick, the dick we need and a dick that wins in the Meyer/Dantonio/Kelly climate were in. Also because no SEC guy is coming here and Stoops isn't either. So, Hoke or Harbaugh? Decent (maybe) college quality coach hire or Jim Harbaugh? Take your time to look at the resume and I'll talk to a childhood friend that played at Stanford pre & under Jim for even more reasons why.

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quakertown

November 16th, 2014 at 2:09 PM ^

That's how reports credited them on getting Urban Meyer out from Notre Dame's presumptive hiring. 

I'd like for the university to act with some haste as well, especially given their previous coaching searches, but hestiation now may be the result of a well-reasoned planned.  Rumors suggest Harbaugh doesn't want any distraction during his season -- such a reasonable request it may in fact be true.  Ignoring all other factors what would firing Hoke now do to help this situation? What would you tell other candidates you talk to while the position is open, "sit tight, you're totally our number two guy"?

If umich makes a strong push for Harabaugh, this is likely what it has to look like for the time being.

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Danwillhor

November 17th, 2014 at 1:48 AM ^

Jim is crazy competitive and even if out the door in SF you know he wants to win. I think an open UM delegate or "feeler agency" publicly (or privately) reaching it to him while he has the contractual obligation to coach & win for SF would be seen as huge sign of disrespect. I think it's why we kind if need them to miss the playoffs. At that point, you figure out if he's interested and go from there. If not, you didn't string any other options along publicly even if they knew they were options 2, 3, etc. Unless Jim's camp comes to us we kind of have to be quiet on all fronts. Finally, I don't think it would be insulting to simply put out private feelers to guys in the (likely, IMO) chance we don't get Jim. Nothing offered or concrete but guise it under the "getting ducks in a row and, yes, this is real interest so if offered how would you feel". It preps us for options 2+ without saying they're options 2+, it gives him his space to coach his current team with integrity and could help us quickly land a HC if Jim isn't interested.

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Danwillhor

November 16th, 2014 at 1:20 PM ^

so I can't feel the same way about it as an alum or fan but the situation at UF didn't seem like ours. Will was going through tough times but I genuinely felt UF would be good in a year or two. I mean the guy cleaned house when he came in after Urban. He had to. Then he recruited pretty well. I think he was simply a bit of time and definitely a few new coaches seat from winning. He isn't out if his element on that stage like some guys are that lose. Shit just happened and it felt to me like it could stop fairly soon. Either way, a big program just got a great DC or a mid-major just got a good HC.

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A2D2

November 16th, 2014 at 1:55 PM ^

 

Now what do we do?  From SBNation today:

 

The future of Jim Harbaugh with the San Francisco 49ers looks a little dimmer today after Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network reported he two sides are likely headed for divorce.

"At this point it would be a surprise if Jim Harbaugh is back with the 49ers," Rapoport claimed on NFL GameDay Morning Sunday, adding that success the rest of the season would probably have little impact on the team's decision. This echoes earlier reports that not even a Super Bowl title could extend Harbaugh's tenure in San Francisco.

 

And according to Rapoport, the Miami Dolphins, long rumored as a potential landing spot for Harbaugh, are no longer an option. Miami's recent success apparently has convinced ownership to keep head coach Joe Philbin around and, in any case, Harbaugh is "not on the Dolphins' radar." Moreover, Harbaugh's wife does not want to leave the Bay Area, limiting the number of locations he can consider.

 

Accordingly, Rapoport listed the Oakland Raiders as a "real possibility" for Harbaugh. Oakland will play at least the 2015 season at the O.co Coliseum, erasing the need for Harbaugh's family to relocate. Tim Kawakami of Mercury News confirmed this, listing 49ers CEO Jed York's willingness to allow the moveand whether Mark Davis can find a suitable personnel executive as the main impediments to Harbaugh joining the Raiders.

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OccaM

November 16th, 2014 at 2:00 PM ^

Meanwhile.... UM is still possibly debating whether our incompetent coach will get another year... 

Florida getting the jump on us is so frustrating b/c we're essentially letting it happen cuz our AD just does not know how to replace its cash cow properly after ALREADY doing it TWICE. 

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late night BTB

November 17th, 2014 at 5:21 PM ^

Michigan is acting like there is a line of good HCs around the corner, waiting to take our job.

They aren't, and acting like we're better than chasing a guy is like a formerly hot chick at closing time at a bar. Everyone is pairing up but she's holding out for the stud. Except he's already left with the 21 year old hottie.

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TheBoLineage--

November 16th, 2014 at 2:22 PM ^

Im sure The Mus said to the Fla-AD  . . .

 

--  look, Hoke at MICHIGAN hasnt been fired yet.

 

And the Fla-AD replied--  well, hes got that TRUMP Card Thing with Isaac-Peppers for NY.

 

The Mus paused at this--    oh, uh  . . .  yeah  . . .

 

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gobluesasquatch

November 16th, 2014 at 2:45 PM ^

Okay, don't support Michigan football anymore. Fine. But the one question everyone keeps forgetting is this: Who is out there that would be a better hire than Hoke that you KNOW you can get.

This is the scenario Michigan fans are ignoring or are just delusional with. Look at most of the major college football hires over the last decade and ask - who got their big splash hire? Or how many had to settle. And how many big splash hires actually panned out?

USC has twice hired since Carrol left for the NFL. Hires: Kiffy-Cakes and Sark. Neither very impressive - but rather, lets go and hire a former Carrol assistant and hope it works out.

Texas fired Mack Brown and got ... Charlie Strong. This is one of the premiere jobs in all of sport, and no offense to Charlie Strong - not the big hire the fan base nor alumni wanted. Swing and wiff.

Miami - Well, they used to be good, but in their two hires since firing Coker - Randy Shannon and Al Golden - coaches who had ties to the U - but not a homerun hire. 

Oregon - I know the timing wasn't great, but they were essentially forced to hire within. This is basically a school where money has become no object and uniformz galore. Yet they hired an assistant on the staff. Swing and miss - they still can't get over the hump.

Penn State - James Franklin. That's it, the coach at Vanderbilt. Meh. 

Tennessee - Lane Kiffin and Butch Jones. The first all flash and no substance. The latter, meh. 

Notre Dame - Brian Kelly. So you essentially hired a former D2, MAC and Big East coach at minor schools. Not the big hitter they hoped for. 

The home run hires: OSU - Urban Myer. But this was as much fortuitous as it was anything else. Urbz gives up on Florida a year later or earlier, or Tressel survives one more year, or Fickle is even halfway competent and this never happens. Lucky. Urban was out of a job (how likely was that to happen) and Ohio State needed a coach. Besides, if things went differently at Penn State, it's not crazy to think he'd be there. 

Alabama - Saban. Lets keep in mind, they lucked into this too. Saban had turned them down, repeatedly. And in the meantime, who accepted the job - Rich Rodriguez. And then he pulled out, and that gave them one more shot at Saban. But prior to that, look at the struggle they had landing a big time coach. 

Arkansas - Landing Bielema was a bit of coup at the time. 3 straight rose bowl appearances. But it took how many years for him to just win his first SEC game. So much for the big splash.

UCLA - Jim Mora, Jr. - he was a pro retread. Yeah, nice, but not splashy or a huge name. 

Louisville - Petrino. Uh, who else was going to hire him out of WKU after the mess at Arkansas and the Atlanta Falcons. And the way he left the 'Ville the first time. 


The bottom line is this, Harbaugh probably isn't coming. Miles isn't coming. Stoops isn't coming. Neither is Mullen, nor Patterson (he's a Big 12 coach now - he has a seat at the big boys table), nor Briles (not while Texas is down), nor any other big names. So which mid major head coach is up to the challenge, and that you fans won't go all Hoke on? 

Hoke gets another year. Yeah, he might suck, but it provides a bit of a chance for some more stability in the program before a change. It allows a new AD to really get an idea of what are the main problems with Michigan football (like the university, a decaying population base and wealth base in the home state, and a challenge recruiting football players and top faculty to a crumbling location), and then make an intelligent hire. 

Another year of Hoke is not as bad as going for a home run hit, striking out badly, and then limping to a mid major coach who is as bad or worse than Hoke ... killing this program for another decade. 

Besides, even if Harbaugh came here, who is the say he'd stay more than 4 years, or that he wouldn't alienate everyone in four years (winning or not)?

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SalvatoreQuattro

November 16th, 2014 at 3:26 PM ^

Brady Hoke is a known failure. That means recruiting will suffer, losses will pile up, and fan support will continue to erode. This steady decline will only make the rebuild more difficult for the next coach.

Another flaw is your suggestion is that idea that somehow the field of candidates will be magically better a year from now. Why would this so? Why would you wait a year to hire coach you could have now??

Brady Hoke is a terrible head coach. We all know this. To keep him on for fear of hiring someone worse is ludicrious.

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Wmonette

November 16th, 2014 at 3:52 PM ^

Are you seriously implying that ND hiring Brian Kelly wasn't a homerun? He was the hottest coaching name in the country at the time, and they got him. In his third year, he has them playing in the MNC game... How is that not a homerun?

 

In fact, I think you could say the same thing about Charlie Strong. Some rich white dudes at Texas were on the "We are getting Saban" bandwagon but frankly, Charlie Strong was the hottest, most qualified up-and coming candidate in the country at the time. It was a great hire. He inhereted a crappy situation, and he is cleaning it up. Texas will be awesome under Charlie Strong.

 

Keeping Brady Hoke for another year because you are "afraid someone else will suck worse" is, as someone else said, accepting mediocrity. Winners make bold moves and go for it. 

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Danwillhor

November 17th, 2014 at 2:38 AM ^

What has he done without Golson? Average teams loaded with talent and the two years they can seemingly hang with most on a good day are Golson in '12 (coming in late with a good defense and TONS of wacky calls in their favor) and '14 when Golson essentially came off a mental & physical RS year. He wasn't a bad hire! Yet, for nd I don't think he was a "homerun" or the biggest name out there at the time (IIRC). He was, IMO, the top caliber 2nd tier CFB coach after a short list of bigger names. You also have to consider a programs ability to lure a HC away from others. So, the best hire at nd in a long time but not an elite hire you'd expect from nd. Hate then or not, they are nd and like UM should have coaches knocking their doors down and programs like them pillaging all but a few coaches at will. Honestly, that's what concerns me with our search (assuming there is one). Meyer turned down one of his dream jobs at nd to go to UF. Career move? Likely, given all the state talent, no Saban yet, etc. Yet, he turned down one of the 3 schools he had listed in every contract he's had as a HC giving him freedom to leave the current gig for nd, osu or Michigan under no penalty. He turned them down for UF. IIRC, a second time before they hired Kelly. He picked UF, a tougher job in regard to conference (plus more) and a place he didn't know over what he knew regionally, what he knew intimately, a guaranteed 8 wins a year minimum, a chance to be a golden god if nd lore, etc. What concerns me is that top level guys can and have turned down "dream jobs" for many reasons but much of the Meyer case had to be a perceived lack of luster it once had to him. Nd wasn't nd anymore. Considering Meyer was once on staff at nd, that is even a bigger issue. The HC at The University of Michigan is still an elite job but to who? With parity of play regarding hyperspreads a good coach can win big with less talent. Many coaches don't want to be on a hot seat the first day on the job so these nontraditional powers currently playing WAY above program lore, luster and AD loot have coaches crushing it because they knew they'd be given time and were. Those schools are willing to pay to keep top names around unlike the past when they just couldn't spend "UM money" (or name another big money program). Further, nd has relaxed then but they and UM still have to recruit kids that, ya know, are "Einstein jocks" at least. Saban, Mullen, Stoops, Meyer and most every other program like Baylor, Oregon, TCU, etc would laugh at the notion of not only doing EVERYTHING in their power to get a kid NCAA qualified but turn down kids that qualified but just barely. They'd buckle over laughing. Nd is fine with Kelly. I don't think he's a NC caliber coach at a program like nd but his worst years will be 7-8 wins and with the scheduling changes he'll crack 10 a bit but always get drubbed by the very programs that stopped pretending CFB is amateur a long time ago. Michigan needs Harbaugh (or equal caliber) or the best we can hope for will be 8-9 win seasons as osu/msu further pass us by. Heaven help us if we keep Hoke.

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Perkis-Size Me

November 16th, 2014 at 6:34 PM ^

Keeping Hoke around is essentially telling everyone that you're okay with mediocrity. Sometimes you have to make bold decisions for the good of the program. Hoke's presence to this team is toxic in the sense that he can't competently coach it. If you want him around longer, you're accepting of that kind of team environment.

If Hoke is here again next year, expect recruiting to continue to suffer. You can't expect kids to not still be apprehensive about the fact that Hoke would be on the hot seat, and that he's heading into the last year of his contract without any kind of extension. Also, expect to watch MSU and OSU continue to outclass us.


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