Coaching Candidates Part II: Other 5, Coordinators Comment Count

Brian

WELP! When you're 2-4 and a home dog to a Penn State team starting a discarded gyro and a red solo cup at guard it may be time to see what's out there in terms of possible replacements.

Previously: the Power 5 head coaches, which at this point is just DAN MULLEN DAN MULLEN DAN MULLEN.

Other 5 Head Coaches

4fe325323228f.preview-620[1]BRONCO MENDENHALL, BYU

BASICS: 86-34 in his tenth year at BYU, with a run of four straight ten win seasons from 2006 to 2009. Before that DC at New Mexico for five years and various small jobs besides. 48.

PROS: Wins many games. Lots of HC experience for age. Comfortable with running and passing QBs. Named "Bronco" so team would have to be tough I mean you'd think right. Would bring in a lot of Samoans.

CONS: Availability questionable. Mendenhall is a Mormon from Utah and is reputedly going nowhere. Has fallen off a bit after a hot start, coming off consecutive 8-5 seasons. (He is 4-1 this year.) Recruiting questions bountiful.

OVERALL: Might as well inquire but think he would be all but impossible to pry away.

512x[1]CRAIG BOHL, WYOMING

BASICS: In his first year with the Cowboys after crushing I-AA run with North Dakota State in which they won three consecutive national titles. Had been HC at NDSU since 2003 before that; during this period NDSU moved up from D-II; they had consecutive 10-1 seasons under Bohl that did not result in playoff appearances due to that. 104-32 overall at NDSU. 56.

PROS: Can beat Minnesota. Really really bald.

CONS: Age tenuous, no big time experience, just got to Wyoming.

OVERALL: Todd Graham-esque departure this would require probably puts him behind other flier candidates, as does his age.

ECarolina QBs FootballRUFFIN MCNEILL, ECU

BASICS: ECU's head coach since 2010. .500-ish his first two years, then won went 8-5 with a 7-1 nonconference record in 2012. Went 10-3 last year with a win over UNC and a narrow loss to VT; upset VT authoritatively this year. Prior to that was Texas Tech's DC for a few year, with a bunch of LB coaching jobs before that. 55.

PROS: Has ECU rolling with a modern offense. Had amazing afro back in the day.

CONS: Old-ish, doesn't have that much track record as a head coach. Highly successful OC Lincoln Riley likely to replace him so Michigan wouldn't get to import him.

OVERALL: Seems about as risky as a coordinator without as much upside.

20111213__CSU_COACH_3JL7494~p1[1]JIM MCELWAIN, COLORADO STATE

BASICS: In his third year at CSU. Took over a 3-9 team, had one bad year, and then went 8-6 a year ago. Currently 4-1 with wins over Power 5 outfits Colorado and Boston College. Alabama's OC for four years before that, Fresno's OC in 2007, one year as the Raiders' QB coach, and then various position jobs. 52.

PROS: Familiar with pro-style and spread concepts. Might have a smaller transition cost than other candidates depending on how similar his offense is to Nussmeier's. Promising start to HC career. FEI ranks of his Bama offenses: 16, 8, 3, 11. Spent three years at MSU so not entirely unfamiliar with the area.

CONS: Very short track record as a head coach. Success may be based on importing guys like Dee Hart from Bama more than any particular skill.

OVERALL: If CSU has a ten win season he's a guy who'd be logical to look at.

OTHERS

Nope. The next guy on the list was Georgia Southern's Willie Fritz.

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Coordinators

20110304_spring_practice60_t300[1]CHAD MORRIS, OC, CLEMSON

BASICS: Texas high school legend went 169-38 as a head coach at various stops from 1994 to 2009. Hired as Tulsa's OC in 2010 for single season under Todd Graham, then snatched up by Clemson. Now makes more money as an assistant than anyone in the country; Clemson's offense has been highly productive since. 45.

PROS: A lot of head coaching experience, albeit in high school. Good at making offense go. You know it's his show for the most part since Dabo was never a coordinator. Age.

CONS: Pure HUNH proponent, which may clash (but everyone is HUNH these days). Not even the whisper of a Michigan connection, or even a Midwest connection.

OVERALL: He's going to be a head coach somewhere soon, but probably not M. Feel that Clemson's offense has been a mite overhyped of late despite having Sammy Watkins and Tajh Boyd. Pass.

osufb-notes-11-28-art-g0sprajs-1osufb-8-27-ac-05[1]TOM HERMAN, OC, OSU

BASICS: OSU's OC and QB coach since 2012. Before that held the same position at Iowa State for three years, Rice for two years, and Texas State before that. (Not that Texas State.) A small-school position coach previous. 39.

PROS: Ohio State offense seems like a slightly good idea at the moment. Ohio State's QB coach seems like a slightly good idea at the moment. Had Rice tenth in total yardage when Iowa State scooped him up; likely to be very much running the show there with Meyer trying to find that ol' work-life balance. Previous Meyer OC hired away has worked out pretty well. SMRT: he's in Mensa! 2013 Rivals Big Ten recruiter of the year, too.

CONS: Still has peach fuzz on his cheeks. Can't decide whether he wears  glasses or not. Combination of OSU and spread means high chance of transplant rejection from crotchety program alumni.

OVERALL: I wouldn't mind. Herman's rapid rise up the ranks is going to result in a head job pretty soon, and I think a smart guy would be nice.

1386811257000-AP-Broyles-Award-Narduzzi[1]PAT NARDUZZI, DC, MSU

BASICS: Dantonio's DC since 2004, Broyles winner last year after Michigan State's defense… sigh… propelled them to a Rose Bowl win. Before that was an assistant at various MAC schools and Rhode Island. 48.

PROS: Hooray witheringly effective aggressive defense. Hooray not having him at Michigan State anymore.

CONS: Uncertain how much of MSU's defensive success is him and how much is Dantonio. May be distasteful to fans, increasing chance he's bounced early. Might be hiring a double agent sent to destroy the program.

OVERALL: How do you know we don't already have one of those at AD?

TIM BECK, OC, NEBRASKA

BASICS: Has been Nebraska's OC since 2011, before that coached everywhere in the Nebraska/Missouri/Kansas area from high school on up. 48. Youngstown, OH, native.

PROS: Has a modern version of the Bo offense, an option-based system that uses the QB as a runner and has all kinds of folds and tricks up his sleeve. Once caused Hoke and Mattison to shrug resignedly when he pulled out a double pitch option.

CONS: Experience, possibility he won't be able to properly utilize a QB who can throw. Offense has never been amazing. Just got head stomped in by gentleman directly above.

OVERALL: I like his offense but doubt he'll be seriously considered.

673573[1]SCOTT FROST, OC, OREGON

BASICS: Former Nebraska QB and NFL DB took up Helfrich's spot as the OC after Chip Kelly departed. Before that was the WR coach at Oregon for four years; was co-DC at UNI for a year before getting snapped up by the Ducks. 39.

PROS: Suffused in experience with all manner of option QB-running schemes from his college days and Oregon experience. If he works out would be a very long term solution. Smart guy who transferred from Stanford way back when. Would recruit Nebraska like a mofo.

CONS: Total flier pick. Mom doesn't like us. Might lose him to Nebraska if and when Pelini is done.

OVERALL: This would be a Rob Deer swing for the fences, and I'm okay with that. Once you get down here it's all risky anyway.

5272724b9b54a.image[1]JOSH HUEPEL, OC, OKLAHOMA

BASICS: Oklahoma's OC for the past five years; before that their QB coach for five years. Heisman finalist as a Sooner QB in 2000, with brief NFL career afterwards. A mere pup at 36.

PROS: Head coach is a defensive guy, his show. Supporting evidence: most recent OU OC to get a head job, Kevin Wilson, has been reasonably successful and very successful in his area of expertise. Might be Batman.

CONS: Inexperience, again not even the whisper of a Michigan connection. Would be obvious candidate for OU job when Stoops retires—at 54 that's probably far enough off that it's not a disqualifying factor. Might not be Batman.

OVERALL: Identical candidate to Frost, except with a picture that will haunt him until he dies.

9171396-large[1]KIRBY SMART, DC, ALABAMA

BASICS: Saban's DC since his arrival in Tuscaloosa, with all that that implies both good and bad. Before that a position coach various places. DB at Georgia as a player. 38.

PROS: Scott Frost, the DC. Except he's been absorbing the tao of the master since 2008. Saban got rid of Nussmeier pretty abruptly so Smart must be doing something right.

CONS: Who has any idea whether he's at all responsible for Saban's Ds. Talent overwhelming, coaching same. Has never ventured north of Georgia as a coach, possibly in his life.

OVERALL: Cultural issues and even more total uncertainty about how he'd do on his own make him a nah.

kiffin1[1]LANE KIFFIN, OC, ALABAMA

BASICS: you would take this compared to right now I guarantee it

PROS: just think about that

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you'd do it

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CONS: but not too hard

OVERALL: stay safe out there, kids

OTHERS

There are a butt-ton of coordinators out there but not many stand out as consistent overachievers other than the guys above. Bud Foster is a VT DC lifer. Stanford OC Mike Bloomgren, mentioned only for manball demanders, has only been in the job two years but before that was their run game coordinator and then an assistant OC for the Jets for three years. Stanford's offense sucks this year, BTW.

Other than Foster it's hard to find any prominent DCs who have their teams at the top of the rankings year-in year-out, period; those who do often come with overwhelming talent or guru HC issues.

Comments

FreddieMercuryHayes

October 7th, 2014 at 12:19 PM ^

Le sigh. I honestly think Narduzzi and Smart are being dismissed in this post too easily. I know Brian is focused on getting a modern offense, but both of those DCs field modern defenses which are very good. Get a good OC and let 'er rip. All the problems with those two are also present with guys like Herman and Frost. I dunno, there are no great answers except for the Harbaugh Hail Mary. I have no faith in this coaching search with Brandon at the helm.


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BlueinTC

October 7th, 2014 at 12:24 PM ^

mentioned a few times...Adam Gase...OC at Denver.  I know we're talking college here but I don't have any college coaches I love.  He's from Ypsi, and, even though he's graduated a sparty, he's worked with the best - Saban(at LSU) and Peyton Manning.  I realize most of the Denver success is due to Coach Peyton, Gase is part of it.   I'd listen to him if I were a top QB recruit...someone who has coached Peyton Manning.

robpollard

October 7th, 2014 at 12:48 PM ^

Ypsi guy, went to MSU, coached for the Lions (but not long enough to be defined by them) and has a bit of college experience at LSU under the best college coach of the era, Saban.

While I'd love (of the college guys) to get someone who has been an HC before (esp b/c so many of our problems have been "communication", which starts from the top, and setting the course of the program, e.g., modern offenses and punting formations), but of the group above, the only one I like is the CSU guy, and he is a) from Montana and b) would need to have a 10-win season this year to be an option.

Thus, a pro guy would be a nice option. Are there any quotes from Manning or the Thomas "brothers" about how wonderful Gase is? That would be great.

schreibee

October 7th, 2014 at 3:34 PM ^

Ohh, I get it, all those Denver peeps are blowing smoke about Gase to Get rid of him!!

It all makes sense now - dupe some hapless program (feel free to insert our name here now, along with the Jets, Raiders, numerous other college teams) to taking this so-called genius off thier hands so they can really get to work?!

Probably Gase's fault they choked in the SB?! He probably personally coaches the long-snapper who caused the great headline "Ohaha-Omaha..Omygod"

gwkrlghl

October 7th, 2014 at 12:27 PM ^

I think ideally you might like a guy who's murdering people at the lower-FBS level whether mid-major or lower big 5. The only guys like that right now are maybe Hugh Freeze and Dan Mullen. Everyone else seems to be a) a HC at a school they're unlikely to leave or b) a real shot in the dark which is what we don't need right now.

alum96

October 7th, 2014 at 1:41 PM ^

Dan Mullen was not "murdering" anyone until 2 weeks ago.  He did not have a glamour win in 5 years at MSU until LSU 2 weeks ago.  This is year 6 for him.

Todd Graham is doing very well and has Sumlin like background and had ASU challenging for the Pac 12 title last year (had the #2 Pac 12 defense in year 1, and #4 in year 2 at ASU), and this year despite his starting QB out and 9 new starters on defense went into USC and just won last week and is 4-1. 

TCU if it goes 4-1 or 3-2 in the next 5 games (tough ones) could be 10-2 this season.  First 2 years in a new conference were tough but Patterson had multiple years of the #1 defense in America and 1-2 loss seasons in Mountain West and now seems to have the athletes to compete in the Big 12.

 

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alum96

October 7th, 2014 at 2:41 PM ^

That's fair and can be extended to any number of candidates.  My response was to the comment that there are 2 coaches in the country "murdering people" aka doing well, it's a narrow view.  There are a good # of coaches doing good things in this country outside the top 10.  Who fits, who is truly available, etc - are different questions.

But larger point - there are guys out there.  People have extreme recency bias and look at the last 3 weeks as if its all a coach should be judged on. Hence all this Mullen love - 12 months ago there was no Mullen love as his team was 4-6 ten weeks into the season, in year 5 of his regime.  A  year later everyone loves him.  He wasn't suddenly a bad coach then, and is not suddenly a genius now.  

Likewise, if A&M goes 7-5 this year Sumlin will suddenly go from the "hottest coach in America" to "ho hum".  That doesn't mean Sumlin is an average coach.

Brian should have include Kyle Whittingham in this list if he included Bronco M.  Bronco has the advantage of being outside of a major conference - when Kyle Whittingham was outside of a major conference he had just as good of a record, if not better.  And Gary Patterson has been better then either Whittingham or Bronco.  Now the same issues apply to those guys as Brian listed for Bronco - availability / cultural fit / Big 10 footprint.

 

 

bj dickey

October 7th, 2014 at 1:40 PM ^

An insightful comment, in light of which I suggest:

 

Holgerson, Dana -- WVU, we need another breath of west virgina, right?

O'Leary George -- Good enough for Notre Dame and has the Golden Knights a powerhouse.

Kill, Jerry -- Don't let his seizures fool you, we know he's got upside!

Enos, Dan -- CMU, a rib from Dantonio to beat those bastards.

schreibee

October 7th, 2014 at 3:43 PM ^

Guys, guys... it was the COACHES poll that jumped them over us. Osborne had announced his retirement, kinda sorta hinted he'd sure appreciate an "Attaboy" on his way out the door.

How was Lloyd seriously supposed to campaign AGAINST that? Announce he too was retiring?

Always remember we were the AP #1 and that's really all that mattered in those pre-BCS/playoff times! The coaches poll was always bollocks, and it no longer exists as far as I know.

NYWolverine

October 7th, 2014 at 12:28 PM ^

When do we look at NFL Coordinators? My top choices are Perry Fewell (NYG DC) (52 y.o., HC experience, can get a group to play together and to strengths, NYG have strong M connection) and Darrell Bevell (SEA OC) (Midwesterner, knows how to orchestrate productive run game and OL, gets best out of offense, has worked under Carroll).

UMaD

October 7th, 2014 at 1:05 PM ^

If he's a defensive-oriented coach who is willing to hand the keys of the offense over to a killer assistant (Stitt has said he'd take an OC job if he had full control) that might work out really well.

Having coached at Michigan seems to be an important and what he's done with the Lions looks pretty impressive so far.  I believe he has a good relationship with Mattison (?) so there is an opportunity for a potentially smooth transition.

Cavalry21

October 7th, 2014 at 1:11 PM ^

If we are talking NFL coordinators, I think Chud is a name I haven't heard that could have some upside.
 
  • Has HC experience (only for a year in Cleveland before he got fired by Banner who then got fired himself, their FO was a Cluster)
  • College experiece for 7 years at Miami (YTM)
  • Miami recruiting ties from his time there
  • Only 46
  • No real gig right now so easy to get on board right away.
  • Prostyle offense the the old guard wants.
  • From Toledo so knows the area

 

AAB

October 7th, 2014 at 12:28 PM ^

Though I admit a lot of that is aesthetic.  I watch football to be entertained, and find teams that have hurry up spread offenses and mediocre defenses infinitely more entertaining that pro-style or defensively-based teams.  

AAB

October 7th, 2014 at 5:06 PM ^

I would prefer to have a team with a dynamic spread offense and a great defense, but it's very uncommon for a team to be dominant on both sides of the ball.  Given a choice between a great offense and a mediocre defense, or a team with a great defense and a mediocre offense, I'd choose the great offense 11 times out of 10.  Given a choice between a team with a great pro style offense and a good spread offense, I'd choose the spread offense because I find it to be more entertaining, and that's why I watch football.  I find good defense boring, and would rather be a mediocre team from the Dread Pirate Leach days than crush all comers playing Alabama's style.  

I personally loved the 2010 Illinois game, and have never understood why people are so upset about it.  

DrewGOBLUE

October 8th, 2014 at 5:35 AM ^

I have to agree with you that 2010 Illinois was really thrilling to watch. It's one of those games I just won't forget. But then you think twice about two teams each scoring 60+ points in a college football game.

It starts to sink in that, in reality, your team is probably actually really shitty if a less-than-stellar Illinois offense puts up more points on a Michigan defense than their basketball team scored in a recent game. Then you start to realize that the WOW factor on offense isn't gonna repeat itself every week, and a bit of slightly boring defensive play is quite nice.

Sauce Castillo

October 7th, 2014 at 12:29 PM ^

Great write up Brian, for us who enjoy the speculation and rumors (can't help it) this helps.  Michigan man or not, I just want us to go after an innovative coach and one who will not be set in their ways and will evolve to the ever changing landscape of the college game.  I think both Harbaughs, Gundy, Mullen, Herman, Frost all suit this mold and would be happy with any of them.

Go Blue in MN

October 7th, 2014 at 12:31 PM ^

I'm not saying Bohl is necessarily the right guy, but his departure wouldn't be as shocking as Todd Graham's.  PItt =>>>> Ariz. State resembles much more of a lateral move than Wyoming =>>>> Michigan.  I don't think Bohl would take any significant flak for such a huge upgrade in prestige and resources.  

MI Expat NY

October 7th, 2014 at 12:35 PM ^

Plus, Graham took shit because he coached 4 different schools in 7 seasons.  He had a previous one-year stint at Rice before leaving for conference-mate Tulsa.  

But, I'm not sure Brian is saying we shouldn't look at Bohl because he will take shit if he leaves Wyoming after a year.  I think he's saying most head coaches would have a problem staying somewhere for just one season before moving on (unless you coach Arkansas St., apparently).

alum96

October 7th, 2014 at 1:49 PM ^

First let me say Bohl leaving would be nothing like Graham.  Nick Saban left Toledo HC after 1 year to go to the NFL.  So it's not a huge deal.

Now let me defend Graham a little bit with your statement.  He was a DC at Tulsa for 3 years.  He got his first gig as a HC at Rice.  Then the Tulsa HC coach opened a year later and he went back.  So yes he left after 1 year, to go back to people he knew and the school he knew.  He stayed 4 years at Tulsa.  So he was at Tulsa for 7 of 8 years there.  

If would be like if Charlie Strong left Florida to go to wherever for his first HC job for 1 year, and then Meyer left Florida and Strong went right back to Florida the next year to be a HC.  No one would shit on Strong for that.

Graham did all he could do in 4 years at Tulsa - he had the same record Sumlin had at Houston (same division of same conference) and it was time to get a promotion so he went to Pittsburgh.  His stay there was an issue - most definitely.  He made a lateral move if you will to ASU but in my mind the Pac 12 is superior to anything Pitt can offer.  But it was a 1 year stay and he should get railed for that.  But his "job hopping" when examined closely (outside of the Pitt departure) are not as bad as people make it sound.

MI Expat NY

October 7th, 2014 at 2:00 PM ^

It wasn't just that he kept leaving, it was also how he left.  If I recall correctly, he left Rice for Tulsa the day after he signed an extension with Rice and said he was committed to the program.  He clearly used Rice and the extension for a better deal at Tulsa.  Then, at Pitt, he railed against some of his staff that went to join RichRod in Arizona, then turned around and did the same thing.  He told his players by text.  

I am not one of those people that hold college coaches to the standard that they can't ever leave without being disloyal.  Coaching is a job, and everyone has a right to look for a better job situation.  That being said, college sports is a little different than other jobs.  You're recruiting, making promises to kids, instilling discipline, etc. and when you leave the job you're going to hurt those young men and likely be a bit hypocritical in the process.  When you add it all up, when and how you leave matters, and Todd Graham is about as slimey as it comes on that front.  

alum96

October 7th, 2014 at 2:50 PM ^

I agree with you in general Landon.  Bottom line he is a winner.  Saban left Toledo after 1 year, Urban left Bowling Green and Utah after 2 years each.  So I hate when people throw "job hopper" out there as a bad thing.  Young coaches wanting to coach at the top of the Big 10 conferences tend to hop around.

And I agree how he left Rice and Pitt is not great.  But in the diaries on Graham there are a few comments from Michigans fans who live in Arizona and follow ASU and they note all the good OFF the field things he does there.  So to characterize him as some monster is silly.  He did not handle those departures well.  How he handled those departures has zero effect on his ability to coach football.  Now if you want to say he has no character based on those 2 events I guess you could.  It's a bit of a generalization because he seems very well loved at ASU. 

In my mind based on resume over the past 8 years he is in the top 15 guys in all of college football.  He brings Sumlin's offense but actually cares about defense.  He found Malzahn, he found Chad Morris and he has a bad ass OC today.  He took over an ASU program very much in the same place UM is - run by a coach (Dennis Erickson) who took it into mediocrity for half a decade, and has them on the ascent.  He is challening in the Pac 12 with recruiting classes worse than MSU, Wisconsin.

So I get the issues - but as a football coach who IS AVAILABLE at a salary we can beat at a school we can actually take a coach away from, there are maybe 3 other similar candidates in the country in terms of proven HC ability at the NCAA level and are likely to actually be interested if we come calling.  It would be silly for our AD to not inquire.

MI Expat NY

October 7th, 2014 at 3:30 PM ^

I was strictly talking about how he left as slimey.  It was.  No two ways about it.  I don't know enough about him besides this fact to judge and I do think he is a good coach and it is worth at least giving him a look.  

I only see two potential negatives.  Will the fickle high school coaches in the midwest trust him enough to steer recruits our way and does he have any NFL ambitions?  Not sure either is worth disqualifying him, but they are there and largely so based on negative attitudes surrounding his job hopping.  Fair or not, I don't know, but I think those are concerns that would need to be looked at.  

mgohusker

October 7th, 2014 at 2:20 PM ^

You can't blame Graham for leaving Pitt -- their AD (Steve Pederson) is  despised by Husker fans similar to the current sentiments towards Dave Brandon.

When Pederson was at Nebraska he fired Frank Solich (58-19) without a backup plan and then went begging for 7 weeks until Raiders-cast off Bill Callahan took the job.

elm

October 7th, 2014 at 1:20 PM ^

And Arkansas St. lost 3 coaches in 3 consecutive seasons.  No one really questioned those coaches quickly abandoning Ark. St. because, well, Arkanasas St.  Poaching Bohl from Wyoming is much closer to poaching Freeze/Malzhan/Harsin than it is like ASU poaching Graham.

MI Expat NY

October 7th, 2014 at 12:31 PM ^

I'm not sure I understand the Frost love.  He's the guy behind the guy behind the guy that built Oregon's massively successful offensive system.  It's impossible to know what part he has in making adjustments, installing the system, etc.  And I'm also not sure that Oregon isn't already showing signs of regression in year 2 without Kelly.  All the other coordinators on this list are either very clearly the guy or at least give indications that they could be a fair replication of the guy on his own in new surroundings.  There is no sign of that with Frost.

I know Brian says he's a Rob Deer.  Candidate, but to me he's Rob Deer already with two strikes.  Sure, could still be a home run, but far more likely to be a strikeout.