Csont'e York Video Released, Very Bad Comment Count

Brian

Police have released a video of the Csont'e York incident, and it is bad:

That is a straight-up sucker punch that broke a guy's jaw in three places. I don't see how he doesn't get dismissed for that. That is some Glenn Winston stuff right there, except it's on tape so there is no debate about whether this was a scuffle or not.

York's version:

“A group of dudes walked by and bumped me,” he told police. “He was (so) close to me that he elbowed me as he walked by.”

During the altercation, York said one of the men “walked up on” his teammate,, according to the report.

“He pressed up on him face to face exchanging words for no reason,” York told police. “I got (nervous) and scared about the situation so I hit the guy. I punched him.”

FWIW, York thought they were hockey players, thus the source of that rumor. There's nothing indicating either guy is.

Comments

MGoStrength

August 14th, 2014 at 2:44 PM ^

That is blatent disregard for someone else as a person.  It's one thing to get into a fight. There are times, especially with alcohol, and others involved, that you have to defend yourself or others.  But, that was purposefully trying to hurt someone.  I don't care what that guy said you don't do that.  Fights are lose/lose for all parties involved.  You try to get out of fights, not try and make them happen.  He has a lot of change/growing to do.  I hope for his sake he gets some help to process this and somehow makes this right with his vitcim.

mgobaran

August 12th, 2014 at 3:39 PM ^

Whoa. You can tell he is about to clock him, then his bud is in the way. It almost looks like they guy with him steps in front of him to stop the victim from moving forward just to get rocked in the face like that. Then he just walks away like nothing happened.

It sucks when a young man throws away a chance like that over a fight. But dang. Goodbye Mr. York.

SanDiegoWolverine

August 12th, 2014 at 3:19 PM ^

I'm going to give Hoke the benefit of the doubt here and assume that he hasn't seen this video or he just saw it. But if he has, that's shameful that York is still with the team.

Maybe he deserves a second chance, but not from Michigan. 

UofM-StL

August 12th, 2014 at 4:32 PM ^

York is currently on indefinite suspension and for all intents and purposes is not a part of the team right now. Based on Hoke's track record of handling players who are embroiled in legal criminal proceedings, I would not be surprised if no further action was taken until the criminal aspect is sorted out. If I recall correctly, that's how virtually every criminal investigation into a Michigan football player under Hoke has gone. Indefinite suspension while the criminal charges are open, specific discipline afterward.

I understand your reaction that this is something that requires more immediate decisive action, but I generally like this method of handling legal situations. I think it makes the important point that legal proceedings take precedence over football. Either way, I expect York will be officially dismissed from the team at some point, it may just be after a trial/plea is concluded and the charges are closed.

Chiwolve

August 12th, 2014 at 3:20 PM ^

Roger Godell takes a strong stance against this behavior and would recommend a 1/2 game suspension

 

/s (sorta)

El Demonio

August 12th, 2014 at 3:28 PM ^

I find myself siding with Nick Saban on this (I need to take a shower, ughh).

I don't think cutting him does anything for this young man.  I don't think that pushing your problems down the line making his life any better.  If there is truly a commitment on the part of the coaching staff to build better men then that you means that you can't take the high road and only work with what you deem are "good" kids.  These are kids.  17-18 year olds are kids and they make eralyl bad judgment calls sometimes.  You don't give up on them because of it.  I don't care if he ever sees the field again, but Hoke and this program could show its true merit by not giving up on this kid and making him someone better than he is.

 

cbuswolverine

August 12th, 2014 at 3:40 PM ^

This isn't a home for wayward boys and it's not like he got caught smoking weed or something.  It isn't fair to other members of the football program to force them to associate with people capable of doing stuff like this.

Also, York is almost 21, fwiw.

Sam1863

August 12th, 2014 at 6:03 PM ^

Exactly. I might buy the "don't give up on him" argument if this were the classic case of a "victimless crime," but it obviously isn't. There's a victim with a broken jaw who'll be on a liquid diet for weeks just because ... hell, I'm not sure why. Just because York got scared? Of what, exactly - the guy with his hands in his pockets? Whatever was said and whatever tempers flared on either side, there doesn't look to have been any immediate physical threat to York or his friend. It looks more like York saw a chance for a cheap shot and took it.

Get rid of him.

ChiBlueBoy

August 12th, 2014 at 3:42 PM ^

I hate that the reaction of the legal system and team have the potential to make York act out even more. That said, U of M and the team have the responsibility to create rules and have consequences to breaking those rules. It was York's decision to break the rules, and it's his decision on how to act going forward. I hope he chooses to use this as an opportunity for change and growth.

Kicking him off the team isn't giving up on him--it's showing him real consequences to real actions. I hope someone, somewhere (family, the legal system, the coaches) reach out and work with him to give him the help he needs. At this stage, however, he cannot be on the team.

Farnn

August 12th, 2014 at 3:46 PM ^

I agree with you, and am saddened by how many people here seem to be pleased at the idea of York ending up in jail with virtually no chance at a productive life for a stupid decision during an confrontation in front of a bar.  Definitely needs to be punished but, this wasn't premeditated, he didn't have a weapon, he probably didn't even realize the scale of the physical damage he would do.  Lots of community service, strict rules, and a year of extra practice and no play time would do far more than a few years in jail and a criminal record forever.

El Demonio

August 12th, 2014 at 3:58 PM ^

I agree that some of the reactions in this thread are disappointing.  It's much too easy to dismiss someone out of hand for something that affronts your sensibilities. 

The punch was a terrible thing and Csont'e should definitely be punished for it because our actions carry consequences.  But as a 40 yr old man looking back at a lifetime full of youthful indiscretions, I am grateful for everyone who showed compassion rather than disdain.  I continue to hope that Hoke does right by Csont'e, whatever it is, rather than bow to public pressure.

UofM-StL

August 12th, 2014 at 4:53 PM ^

I join you in being disappointed by the reactions here, and the judgements being made about York as a person. We only know about this one incident, and that certainly doesn't make him some sort of incurable criminal who will never contribute to a civilized society. He's made one terrible mistake, and I sincerely hope that it doesn't send his life on an inescapable downward spiral.

That said, I do think he should be dismissed from the team for this. The total lack of escalation here is what's really jarring, and I don't think it's something the coaching staff can tolerate.

I do hope that he gets another chance at a scholarship at a MAC or similar level school, a chance to earn a college degree and build a life that isn't defined by moments like this.

gbdub

August 12th, 2014 at 5:56 PM ^

What about some sympathy for the guy who got his jaw caved in? York made a choice, he should accept the consequences. Those consequences ought to be severe. They certainly are for the victim, and he had no choice in the matter. "Everyone makes some dumb decisions" does nothing to shorten the victim's painful recovery. And besides, it's BS. Everyone makes dumb decisions, but very very few put someone else in a hospital through a deliberate act.

TIMMMAAY

August 12th, 2014 at 4:03 PM ^

At least in real life, is that there are real life consequences to pay. York is about to learn that. I take no pleasure in seeing him go, but he needs to go. This kind of thing isn't acceptable, here, or anywhere (well, that's debatable). He'll get a "second chance" at a smaller school, and I hope he uses it clean up his actions. 

umumum

August 12th, 2014 at 11:51 PM ^

I believe you are confusing premediatation with lying in wait or some kind of planning.  It is not.  Premeditation in most States may be formed seconds before the actual act.  I am not necessarily saying this was premediated but, if there was a history between them, then it may very well be.

pescadero

August 13th, 2014 at 3:27 PM ^

Yep - "premeditated" doesn't mean you planned it for hours or days.

 

Often manual strangulation is considered "premeditated" because it takes a couple minutes to asphyxiate someone, and you could stop at any time - therefore NOT stopping is seen as premeditation.

 

"Whether a killer acted with the deliberation and premeditation required for first degree murder can only be determined on a case by case basis. The need for deliberation and premeditation does not mean that the perpetrator must contemplate at length or plan far ahead of the murder. Time enough to form the conscious intent to kill and then act on it after enough time for a reasonable person to second guess the decision typically suffices."

...and...
 

'The traditional view is that no substantial amount of time need elapse between formation of the intent to kill and execution of the killing. As one old case put it, premeditation exists "if sufficient time be afforded to enable the mind fully to frame the design to kill.... The law fixes upon no length of time as necessary to form the intention to kill.... Commonwealth v. Drum, 58 PA. 9 (1868)'

Hail-Storm

August 12th, 2014 at 7:04 PM ^

But he put a lot of thought into that punch. He wasn't threatened or in danger. He also ran away and lied to the police as there was no elbow shove or threat. There was a death just a few months ago on a soccer field when a player sucker punched a ref. I don't see a whole lot of difference here except York was lucky his punch wasn't fatal. I don't see how he is being treated unfarely here. I'm sure if the victim was you or one of your loved ones, you'd be singing a slightly different tune. I don't think he can't still contribute to society, but he has made a long hard road for himself. There was a football player a few years ago that seriously injured a hockey player. I thought he got off easy, but his long hard road was well deserved.

umumum

August 12th, 2014 at 4:56 PM ^

The University as an educational institution--and that is its primary mission--owes him nothing.  Now if Hoke or others on the coaching staff believe this is a one-off and/or that he is a good kid at heart, then they can stay involved in his life to "build a better man".  That may include helping York get to another college football program.  But first, he'will have to finish his prison time (perhaps short in time)--cuz I don't see much likelihood that he'll be able to plea out on probation.

dragonchild

August 12th, 2014 at 6:39 PM ^

I upvoted you not because I agree with you.  I disagree.  Strongly, in fact.  But you're entitled to an opinion, and this looks like an honest -- if badly misguided -- one.

I think you're wrong, but I don't think that should be downvoted into oblivion.

maizenbluenc

August 13th, 2014 at 9:28 AM ^

there are other kids who'd never think of doing that who deserve a shot at playing football for Michigan before this guy. If Hoke and Brandon want to be a father figure for York on the side, I am fine with it. I don't want this kid taking up a scholarship that could be given to a deserving walk on or a deserving candidate in next year's recruiting class.

Texagander

August 12th, 2014 at 3:29 PM ^

I don't see how he could say he was nervous when the other guy had his hands by his side.

Hope he gets his life straightened out. Looks like it won't be at Michigan.

maize-blue

August 12th, 2014 at 3:29 PM ^

"He and Da'Mario Jones were both fairly big reaches IMO.

Michigan's WR recruiting had been relatively shitty, they had a lot of scholarships available and they took a few chances with kids in their backyard. MSU didn't need to."

msoccer10

August 12th, 2014 at 3:37 PM ^

York made a horrible decision and hurt someone badly and it could have been worse. That being said, his story reminded me of an NPR story I just heard about what growing up around violence does to your brain. 

People who are exposed to fear and violence as a small child develop a different fight or flight response than people who don't. Its actually a natural adaptive response and people who have seen real violence experience a much greater amount of fear and have poorer impulse control. 

I don't know what York's childhood was like, and his behavior is unacceptable, but I think people shouldn't act like they know what was going through his head.

blueblueblue

August 12th, 2014 at 3:45 PM ^

It doesnt matter what was going through his head. If he was thinking about shooting the guy, but punched him instead, are we supposed to feel better? Are people supposed to accept a higher level of risk of being attacked based on the childhoods of the people around them? You may think about pushing someone into the path of a moving truck every opportunity you have, but the question is, do you act on it? He needs to be in a place where he can learn impulse control, and not at the cost of unsuspecting citizens. 

gbdub

August 12th, 2014 at 6:01 PM ^

I know what was going through the other guy's head - York's fist. Why all the rush to justify a flat out nasty, violent act? What about the victim? Every criminal has a reason. Doesn't mean they should escape the consequences.