Csont'e York Video Released, Very Bad
Police have released a video of the Csont'e York incident, and it is bad:
That is a straight-up sucker punch that broke a guy's jaw in three places. I don't see how he doesn't get dismissed for that. That is some Glenn Winston stuff right there, except it's on tape so there is no debate about whether this was a scuffle or not.
“A group of dudes walked by and bumped me,” he told police. “He was (so) close to me that he elbowed me as he walked by.”
During the altercation, York said one of the men “walked up on” his teammate,, according to the report.
“He pressed up on him face to face exchanging words for no reason,” York told police. “I got (nervous) and scared about the situation so I hit the guy. I punched him.”
FWIW, York thought they were hockey players, thus the source of that rumor. There's nothing indicating either guy is.
August 12th, 2014 at 3:43 PM ^
no place for that kind of behavior on the team.
August 12th, 2014 at 3:43 PM ^
You're a student athlete at one of the top 25 universities in the world and you throw it away just like that. Pitiful, man, just pitiful.
August 12th, 2014 at 3:47 PM ^
August 12th, 2014 at 4:12 PM ^
I think it says more about character and accountability if they keep a player who isn't likely to contribute meaningfully to the team on the team and try to make him a better person. He made 1 terrible decision during a confrontation outside of a bar, but outside of that we don't know anything about his character. These coaches recruited him, spoke with people at his high school, his family and others in his community to get a sense for what type of person he was. If they think it's best if he stays on the team, I don't have any reason to question them, considering past disciplinary issues.
August 12th, 2014 at 7:57 PM ^
I fully expect you to be hosting some parolees in your home here in the near future. It is not a social experiment, it is a top academic institution. The coaching staff also takes on the roll of parent for the other 104ish young men and owe it to them to keep these types of influences away. Perhaps you should contact Urban Meyer and ask him how his mentoring of Aaron Hernandez went.
August 12th, 2014 at 11:53 PM ^
your attitude would be the same for athletes doing similar things at all other universities.
August 12th, 2014 at 3:52 PM ^
This ain't LSU, man.
August 12th, 2014 at 3:53 PM ^
Wow, that was just a COWARDLY sucker punch. That makes me sick. I honestly don't want to see him in a Michigan uniform.
August 12th, 2014 at 3:56 PM ^
we don't want or need this kinda stuff. you made yourself look like a fool.
go seek help.
August 12th, 2014 at 3:59 PM ^
Kind of dick attitude by Mgoblog commentors. Without doubt someone was hurt and that is inexcusable. He deserves to be off the team, but he doesn't need you rubbing his face in his mistake. He has a long road ahead of him because of a very dumb mistake. Have some empathy for a 20 year old kid.
August 12th, 2014 at 4:08 PM ^
I don't know how "York sucker-punched a guy and should be kicked off the team for being an idiot" qualifies as "rubbing in someone's face." If York doesn't want a bunch of people on the internet pointing out his failings, maybe he shouldn't have punched someone at a party.
I wish him the best in dealing with the reprecussions of his actions, but I'm not going to pull punches (no pun intended) in pointing out how stupid this is, just like I would for anyone else doing something so stupid.
August 12th, 2014 at 4:12 PM ^
August 12th, 2014 at 4:36 PM ^
does he "deserve" a second chance? To deserve something presupposes one has earned something. How has Csont'e York earned a second chance? He may get a second chance, but he certainly hasn't yet earned one.
August 12th, 2014 at 4:49 PM ^
August 12th, 2014 at 4:33 PM ^
that was criminal assault. A mistake is
1. an error in action, calculation, opinion, or judgment caused by poor reasoning, carelessness, insufficient knowledge, etc.
2. a misunderstanding or misconception. verb (used with object), mis·took, mis·tak·en, mis·tak·ing.
3. to regard or identify wrongly as something or someone else: I mistook him for the mayor.
4. to understand, interpret, or evaluate wrongly; misunderstand; misinterpret. verb (used without object), mis·took, mis·tak·en, mis·tak·ing. 5. to be in error.
Assault
1. a sudden, violent attack; onslaught: an assault on tradition.
2. Law. an unlawful physical attack upon another; an attempt or offer to do violence to another, with or without battery, as by holding a stone or club in a threatening manner.
August 12th, 2014 at 5:33 PM ^
How about some empathy for the victim?
August 12th, 2014 at 8:00 PM ^
I don't think you understand that a full force sucker punch can kill someone. Life isn't like an action movie...
August 12th, 2014 at 9:45 PM ^
Brian Griese drunkenly pissing in the alley of a bar and throwing a chair through the window is "a mistake"
Sucker punching some unaware dude and breaking his jaw is beyond "a mistake" i'm willing to have a lot of empathy for.
August 12th, 2014 at 4:06 PM ^
I don't feel particularly sorry for the guy who got in Jones' face, though. Guys who engage in the shit-talking, tough-guy culture that you see at a lot bars and concerts and such shouldn't be allowed to whine too much when - surprise! - the violence they threaten comes to pass.
August 12th, 2014 at 4:38 PM ^
Were you there and heard what was said? Further, how does one threaten anything with their hands in their pockets, did he threaten to bite his nose?
August 12th, 2014 at 4:53 PM ^
...by the time your nose-to-nose, staring each other down, is there any question what's being intimated? The guy helped escalate the situation when he could have just walked away. Instead he postured with Jones. That sort of thing leads to violence pretty often.
August 12th, 2014 at 5:03 PM ^
How could you know that from that video? Maybe he's simply seen a lot of fights. Maybe that's not even true. Let's not take too much from this. It was a very bad moment, but it doesn't have to be more than that.
It remains a good question.
August 12th, 2014 at 5:16 PM ^
...a statement about what York had done before. My comment is strictly about what we saw in the video. Your cherry-picking of my comment doesn't make sense.
If you're questioning whether being face-to-face, staring one another down
implies hostility and the threat of violence, please check in on the behavior of humans and a great many other animals.August 12th, 2014 at 5:24 PM ^
How can you know the intent of the victim and what if anything he said? This is what we see, please correct me where I'm wrong. Two men walking together come upon two other men who turn out to be Csont'e York and D'mario Jones. One of the two men walking is allowed to pass, the other with his hands in his pockets is boxed in by Jones and York. Something, don't know what transpires between Jones and the victim. York moves toward the victim's left front, Jones moves a bit to the right, and then York sucker punches the victm. York and Jones then leave the scene.
Looks to me like York committed aggravated assault and Jones was a conspirator.
August 12th, 2014 at 5:32 PM ^
...they guy could have walked on - there is a gap between Jones and whomever it to his left. Instead the guy leaned into Jones' face. Then York hit him. York should obviously not have done that, and he was far and away the worst actor of the bunch. But the guy should have done something other than get in Jones' face.
A conspiracy requires an agreement. York and Jones don't appear to talk to each other. Jones may sense what's coming - it looks like he does - but that doesn't make him a conspirator.
August 12th, 2014 at 5:41 PM ^
He was talking to Jones who stepped away. There was no threat of violence from the other guy for him to feel he had to sucker punch him.
August 12th, 2014 at 5:52 PM ^
He of course should not have done that.
August 13th, 2014 at 2:15 AM ^
Yes you are, you're blaming the victim.
August 13th, 2014 at 2:39 AM ^
Yes you are, you're blaming the victim.
August 12th, 2014 at 4:10 PM ^
One troubling, yet ancillary, issue is that York's actions look like he has done this sort of thing before. It has no bearing on this incident, but he sure looks like he knew what he was doing (as did Jones).
August 12th, 2014 at 4:12 PM ^
...could you know that from that video? Maybe he's simply seen a lot of fights. Maybe that's not even true. Let's not take too much from this. It was a very bad moment, but it doesn't have to be more than that.
August 12th, 2014 at 4:17 PM ^
I just get that impression from him setting himself up for the punch, from Jones's apparent knowledge that the punch was going to be thrown (suggesting some communication - verbal or non-verbal), and just from the whole of his micro-movements. I obviously could be way off base, which is why I framed my comment as I did. But it just seems like he has taken this approach to potential conflict before. Perhaps not.
August 12th, 2014 at 4:52 PM ^
which he probably was, see my comment below about BAC.
August 12th, 2014 at 6:09 PM ^
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August 12th, 2014 at 4:33 PM ^
Frank Clark pleaded guilty, as I recall, to a misdemeanor theft charge. A felony is a crime punishable by a year or more in prison. I haven't researched Michigan assault statutes, but I'm guessing that what York did likely could be a felony, depending on what charges are brought and what the evidence shows.
Whole different level of crime in my mind. Stealing a laptop can do harm, but won't break a jaw or have the potential to cause even worse bodily injury.
Forgive me if I missed an /s in there somewhere.
August 12th, 2014 at 4:51 PM ^
The article claims he's being charged with aggravated assault and 2 counts of assault and battery. I suspect he will be given the maximum allowed penalty due to the severity of the victim's injury. I found this online:
http://www.assaultandbattery.org/michigan/
Aggravated Assault – Laws & Penalties
Another misdemeanor assault crime, aggravated assault is slightly more serious than assault and battery. This is because the act in this situation resulted in serious or aggravated injury. Again, this charge applies only if a more serious assault charge isn’t applicable.
Generally, this misdemeanor offense can carry up to one year in jail and $1,000 in fines. However, if you have prior assault convictions on your record, the prosecution may pursue a harsher, enhanced sentence.
August 12th, 2014 at 5:25 PM ^
Thank you for the information. Obviously, agg assault is at the high end of misdemeanors, as anything longer (a year or more) is a felony. Maybe others who know more about criminal law can speak to what happens if someone gets an enhanced sentence? If it's over a year of jail time, is it then considered a felony?
August 12th, 2014 at 5:40 PM ^
Frank Clark's crime was a property crime, not a violent crime.
August 12th, 2014 at 4:13 PM ^
he should look at it as gaining a scholarship offer from Oklahoma. Offer letter is surely in the mail.
August 12th, 2014 at 4:18 PM ^
August 12th, 2014 at 7:13 PM ^
...it works for a kid who can't get off the weed or a kid who gets in some kind of trouble but doesn't hurt anyone or anything. That isn't the case here.
York wasn't threatened in any way...he ran away. He clearly could've run away before the punch had he been threatened.
This was intentional. The guy wasn't even looking in his direction.
Put it this way...if this video shows a guy in his face, or a guy pushing him in some way. Okay, you don't do this (haymaker him)...but I can live with the 1 year suspension deal.
If this was a flight between he and the guy and they both were engaged and willing (even if intoxicated) participants...Okay, still bad, but I can live with the 1 year suspension.
This was neither. He literally looks at the guy, cocks his fist, pulls back, waits until the guy is 100% looking away from him, sets his feet, winds up and launches his fist into the guy's jaw.
I mean, that's ridiculous. He doesn't get 1 year. He wasn't threatened or in an argument or a fight.
August 13th, 2014 at 12:30 AM ^
After seeing that video, even if he's not outright dismissed from school, I'd be surprised if Brandon would let this kid remain associated with Michigan's athletic program.
August 12th, 2014 at 4:19 PM ^
Some of you posters saying people are being too hard on him are a joke. He didn't cheat on a test or smoke weed or some other minor thing. He's a coward who violently sucker punched a guy in the face. It wasn't during a scuffle, he wasn't defending himself, he loaded up and blasted a guy right in the face who was looking the other way with his hands in his pockets Give him extra practice and stricter rules? Are you serious with that bullshit? No, put him out with the rest of the trash and give his scholarship to someone that deserves it. He could've killed that guy. Good riddance.
August 12th, 2014 at 4:25 PM ^
August 12th, 2014 at 4:27 PM ^
August 12th, 2014 at 4:31 PM ^
Buh Bye
August 12th, 2014 at 4:33 PM ^
August 12th, 2014 at 4:38 PM ^
but you cant do that, weak asss move. The dude looks like he was drunk and talking some shit to Jones, so fine go outside square up and get it over with. ..dont almost kill the dude with a massive sucker punch.
I will prob get negged for this...so sorry in advance for offending some people
August 12th, 2014 at 4:40 PM ^
York needs to be kicked off the team. I don't care what the guy said to him. This is not a case of self defense since the guy never threatened him physically with any kind of harm. York just viciously hit him with no warning. And Jones should not get off completely either. He should probably be suspended for some number of games. Hoke needs to send a clear message to the team. Violence against other human beings with the intent of causing harm will not be tolerated. NO second chances.
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