Clinkscale to Chargers, per Freep (don’t murder me due to source)
February 10th, 2024 at 10:26 AM ^
Yeah it’s crazy how he wants to work with the guys he trusts and is comfortable with. What an asshole.
February 10th, 2024 at 10:30 AM ^
That's what we said about Hoke when he brought his MAC leve assistants with him.
February 10th, 2024 at 10:33 AM ^
Telling your coaches and players that you love them and they’re a brotherhood, etc then turn around and pull the rug out from under everyone who doesn’t (or can’t) follow you in pursuit of your personal ambition
That’s gaslighting.
February 10th, 2024 at 11:11 AM ^
It should be pretty obvious. But grown ass men unable to see past their infatuation for Harbaugh is a thing in here.
February 10th, 2024 at 11:18 AM ^
I keep thinking about all the posts about how this team succeeded because it was like a family, as opposed to Ohio State, which was just a bunch of guys at a weigh station before they went to the NFL. Hmmm....maybe we're not so different after all.
February 10th, 2024 at 11:25 AM ^
People were so glad that he didn't leave until he got a national championship for Michigan, while the truth is that he was off to the Minnesota Vikings two years earlier if he hadn't blown the interview.
February 10th, 2024 at 11:34 AM ^
Just stop. This has nothing to do with the team culture. This is a guy who got passed over for a promotion and felt like his best career move was to take the same position at the next level with a staff that he knows and trusts. Sucks for us, but you can't blame him for making that decision (if he was passed over for that promotion, there are probably very valid reasons why Sherrone & Co didn't think he was right for that job).
I think some of you here forget that, for the coaches, this is their career and they have to make career decisions. They don't have the same mindsets as fans.
February 10th, 2024 at 11:45 AM ^
The point isn't that guys are taking jobs that will further their careers. I think the Clink thing is between Clink and the players, to be honest. If he told them he was staying and two days later, changed course, he has to deal with that fallout. I think the point is that Harbaugh wasn't the guy many here thought he was. I'm not saying Harbaugh is any worse than any other coach in his position, I'm just saying that perception and reality are two different things, and it's ok to be pissed because ultimately, this is about Michigan football not Harbaugh football.
February 10th, 2024 at 12:02 PM ^
It's fine to be pissed at the situation. But just because a situation sucks doesn't mean anyone is at fault or should be blamed. The ONLY issue, in my mind, is that Clink had to renege on his statement to the players. But whatever... it's not like that doesn't happen all the time. Things change.
Harbaugh isn't screwing Michigan by offering Clink a job that he's well qualified for and makes perfect sense from the perspective that he wants to take his scheme at UM to LA.
February 10th, 2024 at 2:36 PM ^
Judging from responses here and in other threads about coaches leaving, it's clear a lot of people didn't expect that to happen, even though it's a common occurrence not just in the sports world but also in the working world at large. Leaders want their own people and will clean house in order to make that happen. So I guess it begs the question: why were we unprepared for this? Did we not manage our own expectations? Were we led to believe it would be different? Was our perception of the situation way off and if so, why? I think these are all legitimate questions and may or may not lead to someone being at fault somewhere along the way.
February 10th, 2024 at 4:26 PM ^
If anyone had the perception that Harbaugh was going to subvert what he thought was best for the Chargers or his assistants because it might not be best for Michigan, they weren’t being realistic or fair to anyone involved.
February 10th, 2024 at 4:34 PM ^
I guarantee that very few thought he'd take almost the entire defensive staff with him, thinking that would be best for the Chargers. This includes a graduate assistant and the S & C coach. That's a house cleaning.
February 10th, 2024 at 6:22 PM ^
Once again, it was Moore’s decision that led to the departures of Elston and/or Clinkscale. He could’ve named either or both DCs. He didn’t want to. He made his choice. They made theirs. That’s how it works.
February 10th, 2024 at 11:43 AM ^
Or maybe he's trying to take his family with him.
Warde definitely was not family.
February 10th, 2024 at 12:02 PM ^
By that logic, JJ doesn't actually love his teammates and his team either. Leaving Michigan for the NFL is like leaving home to go to college; it represents a new opportunity, not a repudiation of your family. I think players understand this, just as parents do.
February 10th, 2024 at 10:44 AM ^
Harbaugh is not gutting the program. He is building his staff, as he should.
February 10th, 2024 at 11:35 AM ^
People can rationalize anything.
February 10th, 2024 at 11:50 AM ^
“People can rationalize anything“
including that paid professionals should act like fans
February 10th, 2024 at 11:46 AM ^
While also gutting the program.
February 10th, 2024 at 10:48 AM ^
I just have so many questions right now that I don't think are every gonna get answered:
- Is CFB that bad now that everyone would rather be in the NFL?
- Does Harbaugh just not have any NFL connects anymore so he needs to take his college guys?
- Are these guys getting paid that much more to jump ship? Is that money in LA that worth it?
- Is there just zero faith that based on our AD that we'll be able to field a competitive team moving forward?
- Is Harbaugh gutting his former team personal? Because it sure is starting to feel that way at this point
February 10th, 2024 at 11:02 AM ^
- Is CFB that bad now that everyone would rather be in the NFL?
The NFL has always been more attractive than CFB. Pay is typically higher, significantly less work involved, more prestige being at the highest level in the sport.
- Does Harbaugh just not have any NFL connects anymore so he needs to take his college guys?
He has added some of his NFL contacts. Could be that he just won a national championship with those college guys and the program was universally applauded for having excellent culture. That culture and cohesion between the staff and himself is something he wants to bring to LA over a hodgepodge of NFL guys.
- Are these guys getting paid that much more to jump ship? Is that money in LA that worth it?
Like your first question, it’s not necessarily a money thing. NFL is simply more desirable from a workload and time investment standpoint in addition to more career opportunities presenting themselves. Same for your next question, not about the AD. Similar pay for less work and a more prestigious position.
- Is Harbaugh gutting his former team personal? Because it sure is starting to feel that way at this point
Similar to your second question. He just won a national championship with a program noted for having great culture. Why would he not want to fill his NFL staff with the guys who created that culture and led the team to a championship game while having experience in running things how Harbaugh wants them to be ran?
February 10th, 2024 at 11:12 AM ^
Jonny answered the others, but:
- Is there just zero faith that based on our AD that we'll be able to field a competitive team moving forward?
Possibly. There isn't much faith in the AD, period, based on this board. College football will not resemble the same sport within 3-5 years, and Michigan's not exactly known for quickly embracing change. Add "Warde Manuel" to that equation and you may be onto something.
February 10th, 2024 at 11:13 AM ^
This is the detriment from NIL. Coaches are taking the brunt of now having to retain players 365.
February 10th, 2024 at 11:36 AM ^
Yes, yes, yes, yes, no
February 10th, 2024 at 10:48 AM ^
Should Harbaugh not offer positions to the coaches who he thinks are best and who he trusts?? That’s just a silly take. The assistants are grown men who can decide for themselves where they want to go. I’m a school principal. If I took a job in another district and I had teaching positions open in my new school, you can be sure I’d reach out to my best teachers to see if they are interested in coming with me. It’s been said before, but no one complained when Rich Rod brought a bunch of his staff with him. This happens all the time. Michigan just isn’t used to coaches actually choosing to leave for a different job.
February 10th, 2024 at 11:24 AM ^
To me, it's more about the narrative we seemed to have manufactured about Harbaugh. Before he took the Chargers job, many people here and the so-called insiders were talking about how much Harbaugh loved Michigan and wanted to stay, assuming the offer was right. How this was like a family of brothers who loved each other, and that's why they succeeded. And now, Harbaugh apologists are saying that Harbaugh is out for himself and that's how it needs to be. I would have to bend myself into a pretzel to make that logic work for me.
February 10th, 2024 at 11:28 AM ^
The question is why can't he attract any NFL guys to work for him? Does he have any options besides the U-M coaches? We can't have all the best coaches in the country in Ann Arbor.
February 10th, 2024 at 4:39 PM ^
Most people are out for themselves and those closest to them. Those coaches are part of what he’s referred to as his work family. That he wants to take some of them with him to the next level is an attribute, not a character flaw. That they decided to go was their choice, based on what was best for them and their families. For at least two of them, leaving was the result of Moore’s choice for DC. Maybe Martindale will turn out to be the right choice, but Moore could’ve retained Elston and/or Clinkscale if he wanted to. Moore wasn’t loyal to them, but he wasn’t required to be. He made the choice he thought was best for him.
February 10th, 2024 at 10:58 AM ^
This one isn't on Jim. Clink would have stayed if given a chance to be DC or at least co DC. He had a raise and new contract extension ready to be signed but because the hiring of Wink he decided to leave.
February 10th, 2024 at 11:03 AM ^
Clink was already Co-DC and was maintaining that title
February 10th, 2024 at 11:24 AM ^
Which is meaningless. Minter was the DC.
February 10th, 2024 at 11:25 AM ^
Doesn’t add up. He told the team he on Wednesday he was staying. Then we hire a DC so he’s leaving. Unless Moore promised him something and broke his promise, Wink’s hiring changed nothing. If Clink wanted to be DC, Moore would have said yes or no on Wednesday.
February 10th, 2024 at 12:39 PM ^
I hope Jim goes 0-17 with the Chargers.
February 10th, 2024 at 4:42 PM ^
Understandable. Any 4 year-old would feel the same.
February 10th, 2024 at 10:11 AM ^
its fine....
February 10th, 2024 at 10:35 AM ^
No worries mate. Word on the street has it the amazing Warde Manual is fixing to get a nice, long extension pretty soon.
That should fix everything.
February 10th, 2024 at 10:46 AM ^
he's our man-on-the-job! warde'll get it done, just as sure as the federal government will be able to get out of $34 trillion dollars in debt! no problema.
February 10th, 2024 at 11:01 AM ^
Are you implying that Warde is a pencil pushing, desk jockey, self serving, bureaucratic sloth?
Just asking questions here
February 10th, 2024 at 11:21 AM ^
you forgot the part about warde's skim-milk drinking and also being anatomically incorrect, kind of like a GI Joe doll, you know, smooth down there.
February 10th, 2024 at 12:54 PM ^
The dynamic at this place is kinda funny:
<Minter leaves for Chargers>
Many MGoBloggers: "Fuck!"
Superior adults: "Relax, you nervous nelly childish pantywaists, we're fine."
<Herbert leaves for Chargers>
Many MGoBloggers: "Goddamit!"
Superior adults: "Calm down, you nervous nelly childish pantywaists, we're fine."
<Elston leaves for Chargers>
Many MGoBloggers: "WTF!"
Superior adults: "Chill, you nervous nelly childish pantywaists, we're fine."
<Mallory leaves for Ravens>
Many MGoBloggers: "Well damn."
Superior adults: "LOL, he's just an analyst, we're fine."
<Clinkscale leaves for Chargers>
Many MGoBloggers: "JFC!"
Superior adults: "Stop whining, you nervous nelly childish pantywaists, we're fine."
February 10th, 2024 at 10:11 AM ^
I hope everyone who left fails miserably
February 10th, 2024 at 11:06 AM ^
You are one mean dude
February 10th, 2024 at 10:12 AM ^
This is the problem with hiring from within the program. If our outgoing head coach takes everybody with him, we basically have to start from scratch. Damn this sucks.
February 10th, 2024 at 10:45 AM ^
So…like every other coaching change in history for the most part?
February 10th, 2024 at 11:13 AM ^
The number 1 argument for Moore was that it would allow this coaching change to not be like every other coaching change.
He was supposed to keep almost all of the coaches and keep the culture intact.
Now he has to rebuild the culture like any outside hire would have had to do. Don’t pretend this was expected when he was promoted.
February 10th, 2024 at 4:44 PM ^
I guess it wasn’t expected by fans, but it should’ve been expected by Moore and those who decided to hire him. There’s nothing surprising about it.
February 10th, 2024 at 10:46 AM ^
I'm hoping this means Wink wants to build out his own staff.
February 10th, 2024 at 10:59 AM ^
You can hope but in reality he has no choice. Who’s left?