submitted as evidence something strange is going on [Patrick Barron]

The Rutger Effect Comment Count

Brian September 30th, 2019 at 1:38 PM

9/28/2019 – Michigan 52, Rutgers 0 – 3-1, 1-1 Big Ten

This is all Raj's fault. He referenced the Mandela Effect in Punt/Counterpunt, and I clicked the Wikipedia link. There I had a record scratch moment:

In 2010, this shared false memory phenomenon was dubbed the "Mandela Effect" by self-described "paranormal consultant" Fiona Broome, in reference to a false memory she reported of the death of South African leader Nelson Mandela in the 1980s (who was at the time still alive), which she claimed was shared by "perhaps thousands" of other people. Other such examples include memories of the Berenstain Bears' name previously being spelled as Berenstein, and of a 1990s movie Shazaam, starring comedian Sinbad as a genie.

This is a bad moment, the moment an article about someone else's bad brain suddenly becomes about you. I remember a 1990s movie named Shazaam starring comedian Sinbad as a genie. I remember thinking that it was dumb that they had a movie named Kazaam starring Shaq as a genie. They just made that movie. Why on earth would you make a genie movie like two years after the other genie movie?! No I didn't see it, I have standards.

I have been googling furiously!

I must report back that Shazaam does not exist. This is a jarring thing to myself and fully two-thirds of the people who voted in my very scientific twitter poll on the subject, which even points out that this Sinbad movie is not the Shaq one:

I believe in the ability of the internet to surface literally everything that's ever been, especially if it's dumb and/or funny. Any Shazaam surfacings have been quickly debunked as photoshops or Sinbad appearing as a turbaned host for a bunch of Sinbad movies, often by Sinbad. Sinbad himself insists he was never in a genie movie.

Undeterred, certain other persons have not and will not ever be put off their conviction that Shazaam exists. There's going to the mat for something and then there's this, for a 90s genie movie:

Carl’s explanation, however, is the most detailed. …

“University of Oxford’s philosopher Nick Bostrom suggested that members of an advanced civilization with enormous computing power might decide to run simulations of their ancestors,” he says, also arguing that quantum computers are now able to run such simulations. “In a day where we can now run these simulations, is this a far-fetched theory?” he argues, noting that the famous scientist Neil deGrasse Tyson put the odds we are living in a computer simulation at 50-50 earlier this year.

“Does it make more sense to argue with the scientific minds of our time exposed to the greatest understanding of the capabilities of modern technology, or to argue with the masses of people who simply write off these effects we are noticing as faulty memories?” Carl asks.

Shit, Carl. I had not thought of it like that. That had not occurred to us. I had not thought that we were in a faulty simulation that may fray at the edges by accidentally deleting the existence of Shazaam. Fiona Broome, the paranormal consultant—aren't they all—referenced in the Wikipedia article, has built a semblance of a career on another theory:

The “Mandela Effect” is what happens when someone has a clear memory of something that never happened in this reality.

Many of us – mostly total strangers – remember the exact same events with the almost identical details. However, our memories are different from what’s in history books, newspaper archives, and so on. … parallel realities exist, and – until now – we’ve been “sliding” between them without realizing it.

If this sounds like Ms. Broome had several mind-altering substances during a Sci-Fi channel marathon of the mid-90s Jerry O'Connell vehicle Sliders, well… yeah. This is absolutely, 100% what happened.

But I have to consider the possibility that the dubious provenance of this theory does not keep it from being true, because several people I talked to after the game said things like "that was better" or asked me if that performance changed my opinion. These people must have slid in from parallel universes where the Wisconsin game was less of a debacle. Maybe their universe's version of Rutgers is a spunky, cursed underdog like Indiana is in ours.

Or maybe this isn't "our" universe at all; maybe I, along with the six-hundred or so people who said Shazaam is a real movie in my twitter poll, have shifted timelines. My googling hasn't picked up any glaring alterations from my home universe, so let's just take a big sip of coffee and find out who the president is…

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[Barron]

Your perspective may be different if you've recently shifted universes. In this one Michigan is a team with a ton of question marks and no more time for answers. Rutgers doesn't provide them. Michigan's first touchdown came on five-yard out to Nico Collins on which he was still running 43 yards later. Rutgers fired its coach immediately after the game.

Michigan is staring down the barrel of Iowa, a team with defined offensive and defensive philosophies and an 18-17 win against Iowa State in which they got outgained by about 100 yards and didn't face a potential game-winning field goal drive because one Cyclone obliterated his teammate when he was trying to field a punt. Michigan was a 7-point favorite when betting opened; that line has been hammered down to 4.5 already.

Iowa will be an opportunity to change some perceptions, to prove something. At best it'll probably prove that Michigan can beat a mediocre Michigan State team. That would be nice, but when people ask me about whether needle's moved—no, it still points directly at another Ohio State loss.

We could try to pick out the things about this game against Rutgers that make it seem like the Army and Wisconsin games are not fate for the rest of the season, or we could sit down and try really hard to shift into a different universe. The latter is my bet. Maybe in the other universe they'll have supermarket tomatoes that are good.

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AWARDS

 

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also three rushing TDs [Barron]

Known Friends And Trusted Agents Of The Week

you're the man now, dog

-2535ac8789d1b4991f1c37dee-a502-44d9[2]#1 Shea Patterson. I mean, 12 yards an attempt. I think ESPN'S QBR metric may take the INT situation into account? He got a 95.4, which is close to the 100 maximum, despite the INT.

#2 Kwity Paye/Josh Uche. Paye had a sack and a half and 3.5 TFLs; Uche did Uche things to the opposition DL. One of Paye's sacks was actually more of an Uche thing since he put the left tackle in Sitkowksi's lap, causing him to bring the ball down and giving Paye time to get around the corner. Uche got credited with half a sack himself and two QB hurries, however those are issued. One of those was probably on the screen he crushed Sitkowksi on.

#3 Ronnie Bell/DPJ. 10 catches between them; DPJ also tacked on a nice return that got deleted through no fault of his own.

Honorable mention: Nico Collins was so far ahead of a guy on an out route he scored a 48-yard TD. Ambry Thomas and Aidan Hutchinson stuffed fourth-down attempts. Dax Hill kilt a guy. Christian Turner made some yards himself. Cam McGrone had a nice starting debut.

KFaTAotW Standings

NOTE: New scoring! HM: 1 point. #3: 3 points. #2: 5 points. #1: 8 points. Split winners awarded points at the sole discretion of a pygmy marmoset named Luke.

10: Zach Charbonnet (#2 MTSU, #2 Army)
9: Shea Patterson(HM MTSU, #1 Rutgers), Josh Uche (#3 MTSU, #3 Army, T2 Rutgers), Aidan Hutchinson(#1 Army, HM Rutgers), Ambry Thomas (#1 MTSU, HM Rutgers)
3: Ronnie Bell (HM Army, T3 Rutgers), Kwity Paye (T2 Rutgers)
2: DPJ (T3 Rutgers)
1: Will Hart (HM MTSU), Jordan Glasgow (HM MTSU), Josh Ross (HM, MTSU), Sean McKeon (HM, MTSU), Josh Metellus (HM Army), Brad Hawkins (HM Army), Lavert Hill (HM Army), Christian Turner (HM Rutgers), Nico Collins (HM Rutgers), Cam McGrone(HM Rutgers), Dax Hill(HM Rutgers), Christian Turner (HM Rutgers).

Who's Got It Better Than Us(?) Of The Week

Michigan does not fumble their opening possession when Nico Collins turns up a simple out route for a TD.

 

Honorable mention: Aidan Hutchinson turns away Sitkowski on Rutgers's one real drive of the afternoon. Various other Rutgerings that Michigan turns into points.

?X4OROG3KOKTIFUY4YU4SNSLDIY_thumb_thuMARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK.

A Rutgers guy blocks another Rutgers guy in the back and a slick DPJ return gets wiped out. Cumong man.

Honorable mention: A few different mesh incidents didn't go well. Patterson got intercepted on a deep ball that was short, which isn't bad unless it reduces the number of future deep shots to Collins.

OFFENSE

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comfort zone [Barron]

Revisions. Michigan ran the ball early, frequently with gap-blocked plays. The RPOs were minimized; in their stead were a number of PA waggles on which Patterson was given half-field reads and was able to hit comeback routes. On the goal line Michigan went under center. Balls were chucked downfield.

All of that felt like Michigan attempting to reclaim some of the baby they tossed out with last year's bathwater, and were welcome. Michigan had to re-focus on what their QB can do after the Wisconsin debacle. I think we're going to find out that's still not what we wanted or hoped for preseason against tougher competition, but the approach at least made more sense than it did last week.

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this is fine [Barron]

Continue taking the shots. Face with a third and long on its second drive, Michigan chucked a fade at Donovan Peoples-Jones. That converted and also got Michigan to within a hair's breadth of the goal line. Thumbs up. A later fade at Collins on third and four was intercepted since Patterson left the ball short and the DB actually got his head around this time. This is fine. It's the equivalent of a good punt, and the upside there is considerably higher than a short route just designed to convert.

Michigan needs some of those as well, but the deep shots need to be a prominent part of the offense since the QB is generally very good at them and Michigan's WRs are excellent at getting open and making it count.

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open pastures for Haskins [Barron]

Milton enters, run game does things. Hassan Haskins got a bunch of runs that were giant, easy chunks once Joe Milton entered. I can't help but think that some of that was Milton running a bunch of zone read stuff on which Rutgers thought Milton might keep the ball.

A couple of runs saw Rutgers run a scrape exchange; Michigan generally read it. The tackle would read the LB moving out and move to eliminate the DE, and then Haskins would have a huge chunk.

I'm not too upset about Michigan's lack of rushing YPC in this game because there were zero QB keeps aside from the goalline boots. We had the same story in last year's Rutgers game:

NO RUN AGAINST THE RUTGER.

I mean… eh?

EH?

This was a return to Michigan's early-season approach where the quarterback wasn't a run threat, and things suffered a bit because of it. Rutgers knew from the drop that Patterson wasn't going to run against them and used that to stuff up various plays. Michigan occasionally helped by covering the slot; here there's no read and no need to cover the slot WR so the gray area LB comes down. McKeon kicks him out, which leaves an unblocked guy to grab Evans after two yards:

Rutgers slot LB to bottom; MLB will be unblocked

This was a theme. Rutgers wasn't very good at stopping Michigan at the line of scrimmage but was able to apply unblocked guys to the ballcarrier in the 3-6 yard range frequently.

This was much the same, with a number of 7 on 6 and even 8 on 6 run surfaces. Michigan blocks usually went well but the runs had minimal upside because there were often unblocked guys near the line of scrimmage.

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flashed [Barron]

Milton himself. Milton had a nice strike to Giles Jackson for the first touchdowns in both their careers and did not throw a ball directly to the opposition, which has been a theme in his early on-field endeavors. He's still learning how to quarterback. A third and five conversion saw him hum an open slant route hard and a bit wide of DPJ; DPJ made the diving catch.

Milton was always supposed to be a long-term project and he has progressed from last year, when even in warmups his accuracy was notably behind the other QBs. I hope he sticks around long enough for Michigan to see what they've got.

Running backs: quality. No long runs for either but both Charbonnet and Turner had solid outings. Turner was able to work his way through traffic on a couple of runs that didn't look like they were going anywhere.

Both Turner and Charbonnet seemed to see what was happening in front of them on Michigan's occasional stretch plays. Both guys cut upfield past DL with their arms outreached, nominally in the gap but not in the gap enough for a tackle. Both guys had incidents where they cut back behind a second level block that had gotten over the top but featured an OL still pushing from behind.

The stats don't show it yet but I think both of Michigan's top two backs are trending well and if the offense can just give them some RPS wins they're going to have a breakout pretty soon.

DEFENSE

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[Barron]

404 not found, part X. I think we got ahead of ourselves last year because of a parade of beaten-up and outright bad quarterbacks, and as soon as anyone could find the time to run a semblance of offense things fell apart. In the harsh light of 2019 we should be circumspect about any conclusions arising from a game against Arthur Sitkowski and The Exactly One Downfield Throw.

What we can chisel out is below. But first!

YIKES. Wisconsin against Northwestern: 10 offensive points, 243 total yards, Jack Coan throws for 4.7 YPC. I have no doubt some of this was due to Paul Chryst returning to his turtle ways, and part of it was the fact that was justified since Northwestern will be in the running for worst FBS offenses in the country at the end of the year.

This is still an alarming data point in a situation where we do not need more alarming data points.

Zones. Like MTSU, Rutgers may not throw the ball downfield but at least they allow Michigan to practice their cover two. Michigan had to be forced out of man to man by the Blue Raiders; here they largely accepted the fact that they should be zoning against a team whose solitary offensive idea is pick routes.

For example, Rutgers threw on fourth and one late in this game. Michigan showed cover two, and ran cover two, and Sitkowski threw the ball to a running back in the flat. Ambry Thomas chopped the guy down for no gain. Hooray for that, but also Rutgers.

Duerr is now a McGrone stan but he's not wrong that this is pretty encouraging for a guy in his first start:

As to how the zone looks when Michigan is tested downfield, ask again later.

Mesh. In a disturbing callback to last year's OSU game, about three of the five things Rutgers did on offense were mesh routes that popped wide open. McGrone got caught on one of these on a third down; he got outright blocked and the ensuing catch and run went 17 yards.

So:

  • yeah, that's OPI
  • no, that's not the reason the play succeeded, Blackshear was going to get the first down anyway
  • Michigan still gets got on these too often

Unfortunately clips from this far back were deleted when the Big Ten sold some derivative rights to a company that tried to pretend that fair use doesn't exist, but I remember a particular mesh against MSU on which Mattison, then the DC, dropped two guys off the LOS specifically to block the receivers as they tried to run their crossing routes. Good idea, but Jake Ryan missed the assignment and the QB got the ball out to the guy he should have been mucking up. I don't think there's a good way to deal with this without moving away from pure man coverage.

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this probably didn't go well [Barron]

Going to be interesting at LB. Josh Ross has been hurt a lot and also iffy when on the field, so the MLB spot suddenly looks a little open. Jordan Anthony had an extremely rough outing against Wisconsin and then McGrone did some Bush things late, so McGrone got the start. In addition to the subtle item embedded above, McGrone also ran very fast at the quarterback's chest a lot.

Meanwhile at WLB Jordan Glasgow had a rough game trying to tackle Blackshear in space. He got his ankles broken spectacularly once and got outrun to the corner a second time once Blackshear gave him a stutter-step. Prior to this he's seemed pretty athletic for a WLB, and Blackshear is essentially a slot receiver masquerading as a running back. I wouldn't write off his first three games, in which he was very good, just yet. But he might have opened the door a bit for Ross or Anthony to grab some WLB snaps.

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DT getting to the QB on a quick throw: I've missed you [Barron]

Dwumfour returns. Any healthy, vaguely DT-shaped body added to this defense is a huge relief, so it was nice to see Mike Dwumfour make it back, seemingly 100%. Michigan went with a lot of three-man lines in this game so his workload wasn't giant; he was clearly favored over Jeter, who only got a few snaps.

Dax Hill debuts. Michigan's five star safety savior had a bit of a slow start but emerged into a rotation piece in this game. PFF actually had him for 29 snaps, a hair more than half.

The "ooooooh" play people are talking about is his hit on a Rutgers punt returner, but blowing up a guy who has to be stationary until the ball returns earthward from its moon-bounce is something just about anyone can do. His ability to work through some traffic and delete a wide receiver screen was the actual play of the day.

Kwity/Uche. Paye had a major game as a rusher; I'm leery that's going to stick given our evidence to date. Uche is having a bit of an inverse 2018 where he has a ton of impact and not much in the way of stats.

SPECIAL TEAMS

Meh? Michigan made a field goal. There were some punts. The end?

Except for one thing. DPJ's punt return was called back on an incredible yakety-sax play where a Rutgers player plowed into a teammate. Sammy Faustin was in the area and made some contact from the rear when Rutger One's momentum was stalled by his pratfall into Rutger Two, but one dollar says the flag flew because a ref saw a Cable Subscriber get obliterated from behind and didn't check to see what uniform the obliterator was wearing.

Frustrating way to lose an excellent return.

MISCELLANEOUS

Photo of the week. Football!

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[Barron]

So much for that. Rumors that Michigan was going to toss aside various players who hadn't been giving enough super tough tough effort came to nothing. Josh Ross didn't dress because he was in a walking boot. Zach Charbonnet cannot be credibly asserted to be an effort issue and is clearly dealing with an injury. Sean McKeon was also out with injury. Everyone else played in more or less the same rotation.

Game theory around the country. Nothing of note in this game, obviously, but a couple of things were interesting nationally.

The first was Northwestern's attempted comeback against Wisconsin. There were two separate controversial two-point attempts:

  • Down 24-3, Northwestern scores and goes for two at 24-9. This is a special sad case of the idea you should go for two when down 14, because the hypothetical future decision can be made advantageously. Did you make it? Kick the extra point? Did you miss? Go for two again. More details and a helpful spreadsheet here. College conversion rates have hovered around 42% for a while, and in those circumstances the gambit is correct. Marginally.
  • After missing the first two-point conversion, Northwestern scores again and is down 24-15. They go for two. This one is a no-brainer, and Ace even asked "how many times have we talked about this?" when I brought it up on the podcast. A lot. To repeat myself: an eight-point game is not a one-score game, it is a one-score game 42% of the time and a two-score game 58% of the time; if you can figure out which one of those it is by going for two early you should because it affects your planning.

I should clarify something. I referenced a Matt Hinton tweet on the podcast but got it slightly wrong:

I disagree with this most of the time but it's clear that Hinton gets the implications in a way the ARGH ANALYTICS folks don't.

Now, I'm fully willing to listen to arguments that NW shouldn't have gone for the analytics gambit, which assumes average teams playing average-ly. Northwestern was locked in a game of horrible offense in which neither team cleared 300 yards. This means that your two-point conversions are unlikely to work and that you're probably on level footing in overtime.

The second analytics event was North Carolina going for two in an effort to go up 22-21 against Clemson. This happened with 1:19 on the clock; Clemson had two timeouts. Both teams were barely over 300 yards. Reasonable minds can disagree here. I wasn't a fan. The reasoning:

  • ESPN gave UNC a 38% chance at a win after the TD but before the extra point.
  • An average team playing an average defense expects to convert 42% of their two-point conversions.
  • UNC is a below-average offense playing an above-average defense.
  • Because of the time and TO situation you are giving back a portion of your expectation because Clemson will be more aggressive about scoring on their regulation-ending drive.

If there were 30 seconds on the clock, sure, yeah, let's go.

Disclaimer. I spend too much time on this stuff because they're fun logic puzzles and the best way to win a lot of football games is to not have to bother with it because you've kicked someone's head in. There are some decision that do massively change outcomes in football games—see Paul Chryst this year versus last year in the Michigan game—and these are not those decisions.

HERE

Best And Worst:

Worst: Only a Half Rutger

Listen, this isn't going to be a long column. There are more important games coming up that will decide how this season turns out, and just like Rutgers reading the direction of the afternoon I'm not dying to relive what turned out to be the last game in Chris Ash's penance for what I can only assume was a metric ton of bad karma.

As noted by the title, Michigan scored more points (52) than Rutgers had rushing yards (46), denoting a Rutger on the ground. Unfortunately, it would have taken Michigan basically doubling their output to Rutger them in the air, as the Scarlet Knights was able to just squeak past the century mark in the air (106, to be precise). Of course, it says something about the misleading nature of basic math that Artur Sitkowski completing a career high 71% of his throws (yah!) resulted in 6.2 yards per completion (eek!).

Honestly, I don't know what the future holds for Rutgers. Their new head coach, Nunzio Campanile, was coaching HS two years ago, and I'm dubious he'll suddenly turn a program that has been outscored 112-16 over the past 3 weeks. They'll get a couple of beatable teams this next month or so in the form of Maryland, IU, Minnesota, Liberty, and Illinois, but then they end the year picking various body parts off the turf as Ohio State, MSU, and PSU take their turns. I guess you gotta find that money for Jim Delaney's boat somewhere.

ELSEWHERE

HSR:

They didn't turn the ball over on the first offensive series.  6-14-2-10-Nico for 48 and a TD.  [Caveat: Rutgers]  People we're going to point to Gattis on the sideline calling plays, or the "good week of practice", but really [Caveat: Rutgers] it just came down to talent cohering, looking crisp, and after a Rutgers three and out, finding a solution to the goalline woes by bootlegging Shea [Caveat: Rutgers] not once, not twice, but thrice (and Joe Milton once for good measure.) Shea's day looked like what you would expect from a top-end signal-caller recruit [Caveat: Rutgers], and even the interception, a good idea "Chuck it to Nico," almost worked.

Sap's Decals:

SPECIAL TEAMS: I love how Daxton Hill is making an impact on special teams. The way he lit up the Rutgers punt returner in the first half was a great sign that all three phases of the Michigan football team came ready to play. Aggressive & hard-hitting plays on special teams provide a boost to the D when they take the field & it sounded like that type of intensity was rehearsed this week in practice. Duly noted and…helmet sticker for you #30!

Comments

andrewgr

September 30th, 2019 at 2:30 PM ^

I'm with you on a lot of food, but the tomatoes in supermarkets are the results of decades of selecting for tomatoes that have the toughest skins.  There is no comparison between a heirloom tomatoe and one from the supermarket-- they might as well be two totally different fruits/vegetables.

Goggles Paisano

September 30th, 2019 at 3:57 PM ^

Another thing to consider is that they spray the herbicides and pesticides on the crops with a petroleum based spray.  They do this so it doesn't wash off from the rain.  When you rinse the tomatoes at home with tap water, it doesn't rinse that petroleum base off.  If you rinse them with a high alkaline water (11 ph or so), that will break down the oils and rinse that nastiness off the tomato.  They then taste so much better.   It is also very disturbing what is left in the bowl after they soak in the alkaline water.  The water turns a very bright yellow - fucking disgusting that people have to consume that into their bodies.  

Naked Bootlegger

September 30th, 2019 at 2:34 PM ^

Sorry, Sopwith, but the supermarket tomato take is legit.  I'm no food snob, but I reap the benefits of home-grown tomatoes from mid-July through the end of September.  The flavor difference is truly night and day.   I rue the day when I have to revert to the stale, bland, mealy typical supermarket selection in October.   The only cure I've found that partially offsets this conundrum:  greenhouse grown Campari-type tomatoes that have a modicum of flavor.

reshp1

September 30th, 2019 at 2:39 PM ^

Eh, this is an actual thing most anyone can tell apart. Supermarket tomatoes are harvested before they're ripe and ripened artificially later because hard tomatoes don't get damaged in the automated picking process. The breed of tomatoes also emphasizes this ability to take some abuse, versus flavor. I'm far from a foodie, but tomatoes are definitely one of those things that are worth going with the non-mass produced option (or better yet growing your own). 

RyGuy

September 30th, 2019 at 2:16 PM ^

Fun fact: Supermarket tomatoes used to taste better than they do now, because over the past few decades tomatoes have been bred to be larger, hardier and faster growing, and as tomatoes have been bred this way, the flavor-influencing genomes have decreased.

Scientists have identified the "flavor genomes" missing in modern day market tomatoes, and future tomato strains might have these missing genomes bred back into them.

https://bgr.com/2019/05/14/tomato-flavor-nature-study-genetics/
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/355/6323/391

imafreak1

September 30th, 2019 at 2:18 PM ^

It is good to win by many points. But.

All of that felt like Michigan attempting to reclaim some of the baby they tossed out with last year's bathwater, and were welcome. Michigan had to re-focus on what their QB can do after the Wisconsin debacle. I think we're going to find out that's still not what we wanted or hoped for preseason against tougher competition, but the approach at least made more sense than it did last week.

They do ZR with no reads. The RPOs aren't particularly successful and seem to be deemphasized. There is no speed in space. A large percentage of the chunk plays are long developing deep crossing patterns that have Shea standing in the pocket forever. The offense seems to be morphing into last years offense with more passing and much less successful running.

One wonders if the defense has an answer for a mesh route that does not require a killer pass rush.

Nice to win big and do things good. Portents for the future are concerning.

Are we just looking at last year again but with more losses?

wolverine1987

September 30th, 2019 at 4:06 PM ^

I'm with you. I found little encouraging at all Saturday. Because we've been here before, four years in a row now, only this one seems to breed less confidence than the others. My pre-season pick was 10 wins and that's down to 9 for sure, 8 wouldn't be surprising at all. Our defense is clearly worse than what we all predicted, especially the front 7, and offense is obviously is much worse than we all predicted, especially the o-line.

befuggled

September 30th, 2019 at 2:24 PM ^

I had missed that Rutgers had fired Chris Ash. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me (i.e., why now instead of after they went 1-11 last season?) unless there's some kind of incentive in his contract that makes it more palatable financially. 

imafreak1

September 30th, 2019 at 2:26 PM ^

I was confused during the broadcast by the way they kept talking about Gattis being on the sideline rather than in the booth. They kept saying he was so happy to be back on the sideline. And that is where his talents shine. It was like someone made him be in the booth against his will. Which isn't the case right? He chose to be in the booth.

Moving a coordinator between the booth and the sideline is like a  players only meeting. Something you do when you've got problems that the media pretends like is a big deal when it probably is not.

Having said that, I have seen ZERO evidence Gattis was seeing stuff from the booth and using it to punish the defense. The "new" offense appears to react to and punish the defense less than the old offense. And one can easily imagine, given the issues the Michigan offense is having, that having him on the sidelines providing immediate feed back might be helpful.

So the narrative is persuasive.

TrueBlue2003

September 30th, 2019 at 3:32 PM ^

Seems like you cleared up your own confusion that this may not have been the arbitrary move that it often is.

Perhaps his talents are that of cheerleader/in-game teacher because like you said, his talents didn't in the first three games seem to include seeing what a defense is doing from above and reacting well to it by changing the game plan.

I imagine some else like an offensive analyst is up there providing an analysis of what the defense is doing to the coaches on the field (Harbaugh, Gattis and Warriner) and then those guys are devising a plan to attack it.  Or it was just Rutgers and a paving was inevitable regardless.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

September 30th, 2019 at 2:32 PM ^

So, rules question on Dax Hill killing a dude.  He did what the rules say you have to do, which is not kill him until he has the ball.  Kill him before he has the ball and it's KCI.  But this one bounced.  Is the returned allowed to fair-catch a ball on the bounce?  Once the ball bounces, can Hill just kill him (I mean, probably not, but can he shove him out of the way?) and not let him have a chance to field it?

Alton

September 30th, 2019 at 4:07 PM ^

You know what?  No, I'm wrong.  It seems that the protection ends when the ball hits the ground (that's in a separate rule).  Once it hits the ground, that protection ends (but it's still a "fair catch" in the sense that Rutger can not advance the ball).  So he can be pushed or blocked out.

itsthepitts

September 30th, 2019 at 3:59 PM ^

To satisfy my own curiosity on this, I decided to check the rule book. It doesn't actually say anything about a "bounce" having an impact on fair "catchability", though using the word "catch" does sort of imply (to me) that the ball never hit the ground:

 

Fair Catch ARTICLE 1.

a. A fair catch of a scrimmage kick is a catch beyond the neutral zone by a Team B player who has made a valid signal during a scrimmage kick that is untouched beyond the neutral zone.

b. A fair catch of a free kick is a catch by a Team B player who has made a valid signal during an untouched free kick.

c. A valid or invalid fair catch signal deprives the receiving team of the opportunity to advance the ball. The ball is declared dead at the spot of the catch or recovery. If the catch preceeds the signal, the ball is dead when the signal is first given.

d. If the receiver shades his eyes from the sun without waving his hand(s), the ball is live and may be advanced.

 

Source: http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/FR19.pdf

bronxblue

September 30th, 2019 at 2:48 PM ^

At least how I read the lack of RPOs was them realizing they weren't going to run them in a game against Rutgers so why not trot out other aspects of the running game that they might want to use in the future.  I'd be surprised if they go under center a bunch except, I guess, around the goal line.

If they really are going to try this hybrid approach where they sorta run the new stuff but keep a foot in the past, I look forward to this site freaking out multiple times about how they can't find an identity, they should run the stuff Gattis wants, etc. after they struggle.  As always, Michigan seems to be the only program that can't just fucking try something new without hedging their damn bets.  

TrueBlue2003

September 30th, 2019 at 3:42 PM ^

This has been talked about a lot recently but I think the problem is that Michigan tries things that are "new" when they're only new to Michigan and not new to football anymore.  In fact, it seems like they adopt the new-fangled things just as defenses are adapting and playing to stop those particular things.

I also don't think there was much new stuff.  In the first three games they just ran more RPOs than last year (although not even that many more) that mostly didn't work and ran exclusively from the gun instead of like 60/40.  So there wasn't really new stuff it was just a shifting of how much they ran of what.

The key for a good offensive coordinator, it seems, is creativity.  Someone who can adapt and stay ahead of the curve and exploit what defenses are doing and leverage the talent of your particular players (the latter of which Harbaugh thought he was doing with Shea but defenses have kind of figured out those one-read RPO plays to an extent).  Otherwise you kind of just get figured out, or worse, you copy trends at the time they're getting figured out.

bronxblue

September 30th, 2019 at 4:09 PM ^

I think that's a bit of a rationalization around here by people who don't accept that trying something new doesn't immediately go at 1000% efficient.  Like, Michigan can run the RPO game as well as anyone.  Football didn't figure out how to stop 5* athletes in space from last year to this year, when Josh Gattis was helping Alabama to run a record-breaking offense.  But it's hard to prepare teenagers and young 20-somethings with a limited amount of time.

I also think we undersell how different the offense looks.  Space Coyote had a great post last week outlining just how different it is.  It still looks like "football" generally, but I think it's underselling what they're installing.

TrueBlue2003

September 30th, 2019 at 8:17 PM ^

If you think Gattis' cheerleading of Alabama last year had much if anything to do with him, you're probably mistaken. 

They had(have) a generational quarterback who has all day because of an OL full of 5 stars and one of the best WR corps in the country, maybe even one of the best all time, and first round RBs backing up first round RBs.  Evaluating him on anything Bama did last year, especially because he wasn't even in charge of anything, is even crazier than thinking all the Pats OCs are good because Tom Brady makes them look good, only to seem them fail miserably elsewhere.

What is it you think that Michigan was doing in the first three games that was so new that they abandoned too early?  The plays they were running were not novel.  Like I said, we just ran certain ones more than previously and the mix made no sense given the opponents and game situations.

He might be a good OC, but there's no evidence yet that would indicate he is.  Because his track record thus far as an OC is to make a pretty good unit with almost all returning players significantly worse.

Hugh White

September 30th, 2019 at 2:49 PM ^

A couple of runs saw Rutgers run a scrape exchange; Michigan generally read it. The tackle would read the LB moving out and move to eliminate the DE, and then Haskins would have a huge chunk

 

On one of those plays, Runyan is trying to decide whether to to block the scraping LB or the crashing DE and ultimately decides to block them both -- one with each hand! 

 

But -- yes, I know -- Rutgers. 

Hail-Storm

September 30th, 2019 at 2:52 PM ^

Mentioning Sinbad, so mentioning "First Kid" a quality 90s kids movie.

Second, I feel like almost lucky if this season turns out like 2007, where we took a couple beatings and were properly laughed at, only to run through a mediocre big 10 until losing to Ohio State (we probably lose to Notre Dame in this year as well).

Disappointing season but maybe we have some major fun bowl game, where a spread offense clicks an destroys a decent team.  I don't have a Sliders scenario where we beat Ohio State right now. I liked that show.

Ty Butterfield

September 30th, 2019 at 3:03 PM ^

This is it right here. Could not agree more. Unfortunately this looks like a bounce back year for Staee yet again after everyone was ready to bury them for good. I could seem them finishing 9-3 and only losing to OSU and Wisconsin in the conference.

Ty Butterfield

September 30th, 2019 at 5:11 PM ^

They finished 9-3 in the regular season in 2017. I don’t think they were even close to being that good. They sludge farted through most of their games and got very lucky at the end. It is what they do. PSU obliterated Michigan in 2017 but somehow lost to Staee in East Landfill. Part of that is James Franklin but most of it is Staee getting crazy lucky and winning games even when they look like crap. 

dotslashderek

September 30th, 2019 at 5:09 PM ^

I upvoted but screw your 9-3 ceiling.

The same "expectation managing" ninnies that say 8-4 or 9-3 is our ceiling are the exact same posters that bitch about how bad we are away from the big house.

Do they realize they're saying we're much better at home?  Have they seen out schedule?

If we beat (wisconsin-like) Iowa at home, I see no reason we can't beat msu and nd at home. 

Which leaves two tough games - @psu (who we beat in legendary fashion last year) and osu at home.

Split those and we're 10-2 - things break right and we're 11-1.

Look the math in me sets the o/u this year (given results to date) at 9.5 but god damn is it frustrating to hear people claim three losses is our ceiling.  Guess what, in-season  improvement is a real thing that actually  happens and we have some real talent on both sides of the ball - meaning, it's also possible. 

Cheers.

GOMBLOG

September 30th, 2019 at 2:58 PM ^

No run against the Rutger?   There was no run against the Army, Wisconsin, or Rutger.   

Army 2.4 yards per rush

Wisconsin 2.1

Rutgers 3.4 

Best game was MTSU at 5.0

Eventually the running game will be a problem  if it doesn’t get better. 

username

September 30th, 2019 at 3:00 PM ^

Heirloom tomatoes we get at WholeFoods are really solid and this is coming from a guy who generally doesn't eat a lot of fruits or vegetables*

(didn't want to start the "Are tomatoes a fruit or vegetable?" discussion)