Jay Harbaugh as RB coach: why?

Submitted by Wolverine Devotee on January 2nd, 2019 at 8:19 PM

Can anyone else think of someone who never played college football much less the position they were coaching who jumped right into a college assistant coaching job?

Better yet, has anyone ever heard of a guy who never played the position of RB replacing a former NFL RB and All-American at the position with a proven track record?

I’ll hang up and listen go blue

Sten Carlson

January 3rd, 2019 at 1:19 AM ^

Yep!  

15 years since we won anything!  Who should we fans be most upset with?  The guys who ran the ship aground, or the guy trying to extricate it from the mire because he’s not doing it fast enough?  

We waited nearly half a century between NC’s, and we’ve waited over a decade and a half for another B10 Championship.  What’s the problem waiting a few more years?

The immediacy makes no sense.  

bhughes81

January 2nd, 2019 at 8:30 PM ^

Besides the point that he was on coaching staffs at Oregon State and the Baltimore Ravens for 6 years prior to coming to coach at Michigan, many coaches have similar starts. Bill Belichick played a little bit at center for a very small school, but he started his coaching with special teams and then receivers (much like Jay did with special teams and then running backs). Belichick had zero playing and/or coaching experience with wide receivers prior to taking that position.

Ger Sauden

January 2nd, 2019 at 9:44 PM ^

Oregon St, yeah, that's good. The HC at Oregon St was Jim  Harbaughs HC when he was QB at the San Diego Chargers.

Baltimore Ravens, also good. The HC at the Ravens is Jim  Harbaugh's brother.

Not trying to draw a conclusion yea or nay. Just pointing it out. 

Quailman

January 2nd, 2019 at 8:30 PM ^

I would expect better from you. Then I remembered that I shouldn't.

He "replaced" Tyrone Wheatley because Ty left to go be an NFL coach. Jay didnt kick him out the door.

Jay has done just fine with the RB's the past two years and has been a solid recruiter.

You don't have to play the game or play a certain position to be able to coach it. And maybe a guy surrounded by the coaching talent in his family might have picked up a few things?

If you're going to play the "hurr hurr he didnt play" card, then can we play the "you didnt play either so you can't think you know more than the coaches card?"

 

WestQuad

January 2nd, 2019 at 8:31 PM ^

Welp!    I'd have to do some digging, but hasn't Jay been a great recruiter for us?  Didn't the backs improve significantly when he took over?  (probably due to improved line play.)  Attacking coaches without any evidence/facts is sort of shitty.

I'm pissed we ended the season so badly, but we went 10-3 and Harbaugh is 38-14 over four years.  Hoke was 31-20.   RR didn't make it four years.   

 

23-22-1  Nick Saban's first four years at MSU.

33-19  Mark Dantonio's first four years at MSU.  

29-19  Dabo Swinney's first four years at Clemson.

38-11  Nick Saban's first four years at Alabama

39-13  Nick Saban's first four years at LSU. He went 9-3 his fifth year. 

Harbaugh is a gift from God.   Y'all a bunch of pissy little bitches.

MH20

January 2nd, 2019 at 8:49 PM ^

Throwing out Saban's records at LSU and Bama without additional context is misleading. He won a national title in his fourth year at LSU and his second year at Bama. He also won two conference titles at LSU and one at Bama in that time frame.

(I agree with your points about Jay and obviously the comparison of records to Hoke and RR.)

DHughes5218

January 2nd, 2019 at 8:54 PM ^

You failed to mention that Saban won a National Championship at both LSU and Alabama in his first four years. Success at MSU should never be a measuring stick for Michigan’s program and Swinney didn’t have half the resources at Clemson that Michigan has. They just recently started putting huge dollars into the program. Harbaugh has been good, but a gift from God? That’s going a little bit too far. 

Ger Sauden

January 3rd, 2019 at 9:03 PM ^

You seem to have missed why I posted those stats. He said "Didn't the backs improve significantly when he took over?"

So I posted number which show the year he took over. I did not draw a conclusion. You drew a conclusion of your own making of what I posted. Quite a rude viewpoint to take. This would be a reflection of who you are, not of me.

Can you conclude that the RBs improved "significantly when he took over" from those numbers? He concluded they did. Do you conclude they did improve? Also, do you give all credit for improved rushing game numbers in 2018 to Jay Harbaugh? Does any credit for it go to Ed Warinner?

Ger Sauden

January 3rd, 2019 at 9:19 PM ^

And BTW, I made it a point, throughout comments in this post about Jay Harbaugh, to not offer an opinion, one way or the other, about Jay Harbaugh. You read into what I said what YOU wanted to read into it. 

I did, though, offer my opinion of Ed Warinner in comments on this post. I absolutely think he was the most significant factor in the improvement in both run blocking and pass blocking by the O line this year. We did not see any QBs knocked out of games this year. No QBs brought to the locker room during games for X-rays, or rolled away in a wheelchair. I give credit to Ed Warinner for that. What a great hire by Jim Harbaugh!

Fishbulb

January 2nd, 2019 at 8:32 PM ^

Why are special teams coaches never former kickers, punters, or long-snappers? Why is Lincoln Riley coaching Oklahoma when he had one year as a walk-on QB? Most people think the OC holds the key to a team’s success on offense, but clearly it is the RB coach. And people in here know exactly three—Jay, Mike Hart, and Wheatley. Michigan may have 100 problems, but RB coach ain’t one of them. 

Qmatic

January 2nd, 2019 at 8:33 PM ^

I can’t wait for B1G basketball season to start. We will have a few days a week to actually talk about a team and not flood the board with ridiculous football posts.

ScooterTooter

January 2nd, 2019 at 8:33 PM ^

Its entirely possible to both get a job you might otherwise not have because of who you know and also be good at said job. 

There's nothing about RB development and recruiting over the last few years that suggest Jay Harbaugh has been a detriment to the team. 

iMBlue2

January 2nd, 2019 at 8:38 PM ^

He was a coach for the ravens and has a Super Bowl ring...there are a lot of coaches that didn’t play, a blessed body doesn’t always make a blessed mind...people need to get off the jaybaugh bashing stuff he’s far from the biggest issue.  His position groups have fared well during his tenure.

RockinLoud

January 2nd, 2019 at 8:39 PM ^

Why not? To quote Magnus:

It's odd to me that Jay Harbaugh is still considered a choice based only on nepotism. Every position he has coached has been pretty dang good. When he was the TE coach, Jake Butt got a Mackey Award. When he was put in charge of special teams, the special teams improved over the performance when "guru" John Baxter was around. When Jay switched to running backs coach, we suddenly found way more production than when De'Veon Smith was leading the charge at that spot.

The reality is that each position he's coached has been good to great, he's a solid recruiter by all accounts, and there's no reason he should at all be critcized for the work he's done at UM.

HenneGivenSunday

January 2nd, 2019 at 8:43 PM ^

WD, I tend to stick up for you, but I can’t go with you here.  I get that nepotism is a hot button issue, but our RB performance hasn’t really been an issue and he’s a willing and able recruiter.  Bottom line, Jay Harbaugh isn’t in the top 10 list of our biggest issues IMHO.  

Edit:  It’s also a chicken shit move to not comment in the replies so you can avoid the neg-bomb.  I expected better from you. 

TK

January 2nd, 2019 at 8:45 PM ^

WD, no offense but if you start a thread and it’s not about your new UM footy pajamas or some obscure statistic, chances are it’s going to be a clunker. 

dcloren2121

January 2nd, 2019 at 8:48 PM ^

There is a shocking amount of backlash against the RB coaching and I honestly am not sure why.  If anything, our RB's have been limited by the coaching at levels above their position coach.

DonAZ

January 2nd, 2019 at 9:08 PM ^

A measure of humility would serve him well. He will find out that in the real world -- not in college, and not on a message board -- if one talks tough, one had better deliver. I'm 35 years deep into a professional career at a multinational, and I've witnessed only a few who justify arrogance. Related: some of the most powerful and respected are those that operate with quiet grace.

Laser Wolf

January 2nd, 2019 at 8:50 PM ^

Of all the people on the coaching staff to complain about I’d say Jay Harbaugh is pretty damn low on the totem pole. He’s been good in every role he’s been ask to perform and he’s been asked to do many. 

michgoblue

January 2nd, 2019 at 8:51 PM ^

Our defense gave up 700 freaking yards to and 69 points to OSU.  We followed that by giving up approximately 1 million points in the peach bowl (I assume, since I stopped watching in the third quarter). During that two games stretch, we got zero pressure on opposing quarterbacks, routinely gave up third and long and our offense of line failed to keep Patterson remotely clean.

Yup, definitely the running back coach’s fault.  Seriously, of all of our position groups, other than cornerback, the running backs may have actually performed the best this season. I am probably more frustrated and disappointed in the direction of our program that I have ever been since we hired Harbaugh, and there is certainly a lot Of valid criticism to direct this way, but this is not one of them.