OSU deal with the devil?

I'll say it the millionth time... historically we had success beating Osu by taking one of their own in order to beat them.  Bo and then Mo....   We got Bo just to beat Woody because he was the one guy who could and could compete for the Ohio talent.  

Fast forward to 2005 and Dantonio is sitting there waiting for call, as the one guy who can surely beat Tressel, his former DC.... The call never came.  BO used to call Tressel the snake in the grass as in cheater, and Id bet he influenced a non hire from that tree. The rest is history.  

It's not bad luck.  Your Post title is appropriate.  They did sell their soul.  The major difference is that when it comes to OSU football, the protection the institution is provided at the state level is like a moat.  

Michigan doesn't have that luxury because our state is shared with Sparty.  Everyone in Ohio is for Ohio State.  Chris Spielman said so.  

This recent scandal, when they are going so far as to alter police reports so that they would not be subject to FOIA is telling. 

They cheat and can get away with it because they are protected.  There isn't a powerful enough apparatus that will take them down.  Especially when they are estimated to be a $1 Billion franchise. 

Simple.  OSU as a program, school, and state want to win football games more badly than Michigan does.  They will do whatever it takes to do that and Michigan won't.  They'll spend whatever amount of money on recruiting, facilities, and staff it takes.  They don't have the highest academic requirements for athletes, so they can get players in that Michigan passes on.  They will look the other way when their coaches commit fireable offenses.  It goes on and on.  If Michigan wants to be at that level, they have to make the total commitment to do whatever it takes.  I don't think the administration at Michigan will do that.  So, my advice is live with it.  

i enjoy it 

It’s not a secret. Tressel announced on the basketball floor that he was going to ramp up the rivalry and Michigan didn’t respond. He locked up Ohio recruiting. They’re playing modern football, we’re still talking about Bo. 

All we need is better clock management, offensive play calling (particularly going to WRs on first down) and adjustments on defense and we will be fine. Why the changes didn't happen after the OSU debacle is mind boggling, however.

This has been an interesting thread.

You have the realists: Those who know OSU is a great school out to win football games and they do what it takes. They know Michigan is a great school who takes whomever can qualify by NCAA standards.

Vs those who love the BS--whine about cheating, cry about steroids, and think  everyone is out to get Michigan.

Fascinating, really.

Football factory with minimal institutional oversight that recruits like a very good SEC team with an elite coach.

Athletic program with heavy institutional oversight that recruits like a very good B1G team with a very good coach.

Those two equations produce very different outcomes,

Well, just imagine the SEC.  They ALL feel this way about Bama...

What a kick in the balls that I bet Ohio St -5.5

Not that it matters today, but the notion that Tressel had no track record and was therefore a complete surprise at OSU ignores the fact that in fifteen years at Youngstown St. he won four national championships, had seven double-digit victory seasons, and won over 70% of his games. He was a proven winner with deep and longstanding ties to the entire state of Ohio, which enabled him to lock down the state from a recruiting standpoint.

Michigan...or should I say Missedagain is one of the most overrated teams every season. They’ll be lucky to win 10 games next year...you can count on another loss to OSU too. Nothing gives me any reason to believe otherwise. 

Im drunk and will go to bed now. /s

Watching recent games it's become clear to me that osu wins due to better players and schemes.  Did you see those DBs against Washington? So fast and sure tacklers. I really think our great pass defense was propped up by a great pass rush.

OSU doesn’t settle for mediocrity. John Cooper  went into the Game undefeated and ranked in the top 2 seemingly every year and would lose to us and that was not good enough for them. They didn’t make any excuses, or tried to lower their standard. They showed him the door and went out and found a guy that could take over the rivalry. They know when you control the rivalry, you control the Big Ten.

We are far more interested in excusing away Harbaugh’s failures and lowering our standards. So in short, you get what you accept.

Osu should have playing Georgia ...5 vs 6. Old school bowl system is outdated.

Washington sucks...but they know how to defend against Osu way better than us obviously.

Stahp

Why are whiny, childish threads like this allowed to remain on this board?

1) OSU recruits (and cheats) better than Michigan

2) OSU has had better HC's than Michigan every year for the past 10 years.

3) Other than an occaisional blip such as Purdue this year, Iowa last year...

OSU typically plays with a "killer instinct" and Michigan only does when playing a lessor opponent. 

4) OSU coaches exploit matchups much more often in big games than Michigan does. 

4) Michigan crumbles under its own hype year after year.  They win 4 or 5 games and suddenly everyone is an All American and the team is on pace for a B1G or Natty.  Too much reading of the press clips.  Too much complacency.

I used to think it was cyclical; now I just think a sea change occurred and we, alas, are on the down side of it. Unless OSU hires a real bomb of a coach, I don't think we'll be 50/50 in The Game in the rest of my life. We will win once in a while, but it'll be a surprise when we do.

The whole mystery about Meyer's "loyalty" to Zach Smith, btw, I find pretty funny. Let's say you're Urban Meyer, a "top" recruiter in this time of relatively dirty college football recruiting. We can either believe that (a) Meyer is somehow the most convincing son of a bitch there is or (b) he too finds a way to "play the game". Cue Zach Smith, the biggest douche bag on the planet, and an alleged wife beater to boot. Somehow, Meyer is supremely loyal to this douchebag. Now why would that be? And somehow, this douchebag is also a "good recruiter". 2+2 makes 4 here, which is this: Zach Smith knows how OSU recruiting actually works. If Meyer cut him loose, some of the truth might get out. Instead, Meyer feigns loyalty and Zach keeps mum. Ah, fuck all of them.

Ohio State was one 3 yard pass completion from losing to Maryland and potentially their whole season and future collapses into a burning heap of rubble.  Michigan goes to Big Ten Tiltle game, perhaps the Rose Bowl and everybody is looking at both programs differently.  Maybe we even beat an infighting OSU who no longer believe in their coach.

They have recruited better football players then Michigan has, and have had a better college football coach since Tressel. That is why they are better.  It’s really not hard to figure out.