Dax Hill Flips to Bama
Respect it? pic.twitter.com/4jalHMrF50
— Dirty30 (@daxhill5) December 8, 2018
December 8th, 2018 at 11:24 PM ^
Harbaugh is below Carr's level, he had a top-5 program at his peak, maybe top-3 after FSU and Nebraska, UM is not top-10 with Harbaugh, probably 15-20.
December 8th, 2018 at 11:41 PM ^
Harbaugh has basically the same win percentage as Carr.
Carr got several years of John Cooper at OSU before Tressel arrived to take it up two notches while Carr was treading water. Carr never had to go up against Urban Meyer.
Carr took over a well functioning program.
Harbaugh took over the program after its worst 10 years ever.
Michigan is tied for 7th in the nation in total wins over the last 4 seasons.
December 9th, 2018 at 2:53 AM ^
Our program was in shambles and harbaugh has done a remarkable job cleaning up the mess. I’m not going to argue against anyone who says he doesn’t have what it takes to make us an elite program...maybe, maybe not.
while winning is certainly better than losing, I’m not sure total wins over the last 4 seasons is an accurate barometer for this program. However, I’m hoping it is!
December 9th, 2018 at 12:47 AM ^
i do think about this and it helps me a lot. Lol
just think how LSU, Auburn, Georgia fans feel.... i think there is hope for M to eventually win the game , but Bama. Ugh i don’t see it as long as saban is coaching.
December 8th, 2018 at 10:03 PM ^
What if he didn’t want to go to South Africa, Brazil, Cuba? Take your biased goggles off and seriously think about it. I can see a lot of parents saying no thanks to sending their kids to those countries. Jim is losing it a bit with those selections
December 8th, 2018 at 11:18 PM ^
Are you being serious? I don't think the players are even required to go on these trips, as many of them stay behind.
Dax and family had their fingers crossed for Berlin, Prague, and Athens and then pulled out after our disappointing reveal?
And what does "bias" have to do with this?
December 8th, 2018 at 10:12 PM ^
At this point I'm just waiting to read, "Harbaugh hires Hue Jackson to replace Pep."
December 8th, 2018 at 10:21 PM ^
If we are so certain Alabama pays these kids, why can’t the NCAA see that and punish them severely. They have more resources than a typical Michigan fan. Or do we just think it’s bagman so we feel better about our program being clean?
December 8th, 2018 at 10:26 PM ^
It would be too costly to the NCAA for The NCAA to prosecute Bama.
December 8th, 2018 at 10:46 PM ^
The NCAA has very little teeth, you'd need something like what the FBI is doing now to root out corruption in college basketball, they have the resources and of course a way to enforce. If the ncaa shows up to Alabama, nothing is going to happen, if the FBI shows up, good luck.
December 8th, 2018 at 11:16 PM ^
NCAA ignores infractions by SEC schools giving cash and gifts to attract recruits. Meanwhile, Michigan extends practice time a few minutes and it is a big deal. Or our one of our boosters becomes a bag man for the FAB 5 and we get busted hard by the NCAA. There's no way in hell that Ole MS was able to get their 2015-2016 to recruiting class without offering cash or big gifts.
December 9th, 2018 at 12:05 AM ^
Coldwater, are you new to the world?
December 9th, 2018 at 9:45 AM ^
The bagman talk is just sour grapes from the delusional fans here. Michigan isn’t in the same stratosphere as Bama. This is like Michigan poaching a player from Purdue. We would all laugh at a Purdue fan claiming bagmen caused the switch.
December 9th, 2018 at 11:36 AM ^
NCAA doesn't have subpoena power. Evidence is easily squashed. If the entire institution protects the program it's very difficult to catch, let alone punish. Unless there is someone like a McMurphy who has evidence that even the program can't cover up. Even though they try.
December 8th, 2018 at 10:28 PM ^
Can't have coaching blunders in huge games & expect elite players to come.
December 8th, 2018 at 10:34 PM ^
Hill made the right choice for what he wants which is quick player development. competing for a national championship every year while playing for the best coach in college football. All of this could lead him into the NFL quickly. Good luck Daxton
December 9th, 2018 at 12:09 AM ^
Sure. None of Harbaugh's guys get drafted right? Especially no D players, right?
Now on competing for NCs, that one is valid.
December 9th, 2018 at 12:33 AM ^
That’s the point though.
Think about it: You’re a top talent college player. Where do you play?
School A will win some games and probably get you to the NFL. However you’ll never beat your biggest rival or win a championship.
School B is almost a guarantee to get you to the NFL along with virtually guaranteed wins against every team every single week and almost annual national championships.
Which team sounds more exciting to you?
December 9th, 2018 at 12:58 AM ^
Getting to the playoff and winning the NC a lot is a draw.
But I see no evidence that high 4 stars and 5 stars (the type of guys Alabama flips from Michigan) are any more or less likely to get drafted by choosing Alabama over Michigan, or vice versa.
Alabama has no advantage over Michigan in getting those guys into the NFL. None.
If anything Harbaugh may have a stronger record of placing guys in the NFL, given that he has gotten several 3 star guys that Saban would not even take into the NFL.
Now, is Saban able to convince guys that he is better at getting guys into the NFL? Possibly. 17 year old guys may not always factor in the fact that Saban has twice as many high 4 and 5 star guys to start with. The may be fooled by raw numbers and fail to adjust for the baseline.
December 8th, 2018 at 10:45 PM ^
Collateral damage from getting blown out by your rival.
December 8th, 2018 at 10:53 PM ^
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/a4hit7/2019_4_cb_jeffery_carter_decommits_from_texas_am/
They just flipped someone from TAMU who has basically the same tweet. Not cool.
December 8th, 2018 at 11:14 PM ^
The wife says we should switch and become Ohio state fans. I'm considering it.
December 9th, 2018 at 12:43 AM ^
If you’re going to sell your soul to the Devil, you should go ahead and get full price, become an Alabama fan.
December 9th, 2018 at 10:26 AM ^
5 or 6 years ago she was probably saying you should flip to being Sparty fans? How would that have worked out for you? That’s the life of a front runner. It’s a shallow feeling and pretty hollow when you just jump from bandwagon to bandwagon!
December 8th, 2018 at 11:22 PM ^
This sucks. I’ve been talking about Dax for weeks to the football fans I know at work.
December 8th, 2018 at 11:36 PM ^
Don fucking brown cost us this one SMH
December 8th, 2018 at 11:45 PM ^
Next time Michigan tells a recruit that “they need to look elsewhere” because somebody “better or more highly rated” came along... remember this feeling. Kids have the right to jump team to team with no recourse. So when the next kid gets told Michigan doesn’t have room....don’t blame the coach....blame kids like Dax Hill. End of rant....good night!!!!
December 8th, 2018 at 11:57 PM ^
I feared that 62 points would take the luster off his commitment to Michigan, and once it came out he was not committing in December I figured he was gone to Bama.
Don’t give up 62 points and expect to attract elite talent.
December 9th, 2018 at 12:04 AM ^
Dont blame the kid, blame Harbaugh for losing him
Even to an 18 year old, all the quotes, and rah rah stuff means little when it comes to actually winning IMPORTANT football games
Harbaugh was crying after beating a mediocre Spartan team. Bama and Michigan are different programs.
Its fine we accept that fact if you want to keep a guy like Harbaugh around
December 9th, 2018 at 12:04 AM ^
Dont blame the kid, blame Harbaugh for losing him
Even to an 18 year old, all the quotes, and rah rah stuff means little when it comes to actually winning IMPORTANT football games
Harbaugh was crying after beating a mediocre Spartan team. Bama and Michigan are different programs.
Its fine we accept that fact if you want to keep a guy like Harbaugh around
December 9th, 2018 at 4:54 AM ^
If Harbaugh cannot get UM to the elite no one can. Firing him won’t change the dynamics that keep UM from achieving OSU or Bama-level success.
If you don’t like it you can find another program to cheer for because Michigan isn’t changing.
December 9th, 2018 at 5:07 AM ^
Totally agree. It is a totally different world out there in college sports from the last time Michigan was a top tier program.
It will take a long time and a lot of hard work to drag Michigan back up there. JJH will get all of the time he needs.
December 9th, 2018 at 9:35 AM ^
The notion that only Harbaugh can lead this team to the promise land is ridiculous.
December 9th, 2018 at 9:45 AM ^
In fact, evidence suggests that Harbaugh can lead Michigan the top 10 more often than not, but not make the next leap.
I'd never want Urban as a coach, but there's zero doubt that a version of Urban who's not faking medical conditions could get Michigan to the playoffs within three years just due to his willingness to change things up to fit his guys. I thought Harbaugh was willing to do that too, and I guess he is with all the pistol stuff, but it's all within the very narrow confines of "his offense".
December 9th, 2018 at 10:28 AM ^
Yeah doesn't hold up when Beilein is beating known cheaters like North Carolina and Michigan State, with recruiting classes outside the top 10 and winning multiple titles and playing in national title games
Harbaugh is a poor tactician. Who only knows how to lineup man to man and overpower the other guy. That fiesnt work when the other guy is better than you, so you have to outsmart him not out quote him.
December 9th, 2018 at 12:06 AM ^
We compete for talent with the best of 'em and there's little difference between us and ND who's going to the CFP. Jeez, even MSU made it once. We have the talent, even with this lost recruit, to compete with. Texas, Penn State, USC, Washington, we're all in the same boat except Alabama and Clemson are a step ahead.
December 9th, 2018 at 12:16 AM ^
The year MSU got into the playoff was a real fluke.
ND making it this year is down to having a soft schedule. Stanford, USC, FSU, and VT were weaker this year than normal. ND and Michigan are at about the exact same level right now as programs. ND had an easier schedule this year.
Anyway, given were Michigan is as a program (somewhere in the 7-12 range nationwide) the only way Michigan gets into the playoff is by some flukey luck...
December 9th, 2018 at 2:16 AM ^
ND doesn't even play half as tough a schedule as any Big Ten team. ACC sucks rocks
December 9th, 2018 at 12:44 AM ^
Someone mentioned this in another thread and after thinking a lot about it I think it’s true—Harbaugh’s inability to develop players here, especially at the QB position, is really disappointing and I think recruits are starting to take notice. Neg me all you want but lets look at the evidence.
QB - outside of helping Rudock to finish strong and for Wilton to be a decent game manager, he’s done next to nothing. Did next to nothing with Shea, nothing with Peters, incredibly little with McCaffrey so far.
HB - here’s where Harbaugh has actually done OK. Did well with Higdon, decent with Evans, but little with De’Veon and nothing with Samuels or Haskins so far.
WR - has done next to nothing with Black, Collins, Oliver Martin. Has done OK with DPJ, but still nothing for any of those guys or for Perry.
TE - did well with Butt but has done next to nothing with Gentry or McKeon. Nothing with Schoonmaker or Muhammad so far.
OL - did OK with Cole and with Ruiz, literally nothing from any of the other guys besides slightly improving Runyan and JBB for the second half of this year.
DL - did nothing with Gary or Vilain, has done little with Paye or Dwumfour.
LB - did great with Bush and Hudson but has done little with Furbush, Gil, or Anthony.
DB - did well with LaVert and Long but has done nothing with Thomas or Metellus.
Jim needs to start actually showing that he’s able to develop and use talent appropriately if he wants good players to come here. You’re kidding yourself if you think every recruit since 2015 hasn’t noticed that Harbaugh has done/did fucking nothing with the two most hyped (and some of the most talented) players from that class in Rashan and Shea. Recruits notice when the #1 recruit in the country finishes his career at DL with less than 10 sacks to show for it and when a 5 star QB is a glorified game manager for a team that is 0-fer against OSU. Start earning your money or just resign already Jim. We’re sick of your failures.
December 9th, 2018 at 12:54 AM ^
This is a scorching hot take, but not totally wrong. Look at the WR group. DPJ would be a game breaking star at most places. At Michigan he’s under utilized. Look at Oliver Martin. He’s a really good talent and he’s barely made a difference here.
People wonder why we can’t land elite outside receivers. Why would anyone with solid choices come here?
December 9th, 2018 at 9:40 AM ^
I believe his take is mostly wrong.
JH has a tremendous record of developing players in his 4 years at Michigan.
Developing guys and using them a lot are two different things.
To take one example, DPJ should be used more. But when he is used it is clear to see huge improved between freshman and sophomore years.
December 9th, 2018 at 10:00 AM ^
Do you remember the news stories about that huge WR class of Freshman being coached by a GA, rather than an experienced position coach? I couldn't believe it when I heard that, and it showed on the field.
How much of the Year 1 to Year 2 jump was having a dedicated coach and a much more experienced GA?
Developing guys and using them a lot are two different things
That's a fair point, and well made.
December 9th, 2018 at 1:09 PM ^
Just to clarify, I meant that TD Billy Talyor's take was mostly wrong.
And yeah, not having a real WR coach in 2017 was not a good thing.
December 9th, 2018 at 12:58 AM ^
Another nail in the Harbaugh coffin. It is what it is at this point.
December 9th, 2018 at 1:07 AM ^
Honestly feels like this program’s recruiting peaked with Harbaugh’s arrival and his first season in 2015.
Since then, we’ve just picked up a bunch of good classes that are filled with, you guessed it, good players. Sure those good players are helpful, but when you don’t develop them and don’t bring in a few elite recruits (like Dax) every few years then you can’t beat elite programs.
Harbaugh needs to make the playoffs next year and beat OSU as part of that. No exceptions. Otherwise, guy can take a hike. Wouldn’t be hard to throw money at someone else to produce good recruiting classes and 10-3 seasons every year.
December 9th, 2018 at 4:51 AM ^
Agree with this.
This is the 4th year and Jim has built his team, with his players, with his system.
To be 0-4 against OSU and got blown out (by the most point by OSU in the history of the rivalry) is not what he’s here for.
Tired of the apologist who said that the future is bright.
Losing Dax is just a slap in the face - close to signing day - for this coaching and recruiting team.
In business term, the investment just not paid off. It’s time to re-engineer and make some tough changes.
December 9th, 2018 at 1:16 AM ^
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December 9th, 2018 at 1:46 AM ^
Getting your ass kicked has consequences. Everyone is jumping on JH now. Hopefully he can hold the remaining commits. I wouldn't put money on it though.
December 9th, 2018 at 2:03 AM ^
Hope he's a bust.
December 9th, 2018 at 2:06 AM ^
I don’t know how any coach could love recruiting. It can’t be any fun to kiss a kid’s ass for months, only to have him punch you in the balls at the end.