John Engler takes advantage of another opportunity to give MSU/Nassar victims the double bird
December 5th, 2018 at 8:12 PM ^
meaningful education? They went to college. I - actually no. I'm done.
Go FUCK yourself forever or kill yourself soon.
December 5th, 2018 at 9:23 PM ^
how has this clown not been banned yet?
Pretty disturbing mindset
December 5th, 2018 at 7:18 PM ^
Mods, can we send him to Bolivia? I hear it's great this time of year. Nice little xmas gift for him.
I personally knew some of the victims as they were classmates at UM and they are succeeding and achieving at high levels in their respective fields despite all they went through; they're far from washed up. You're a sick human being. Fuck off
December 5th, 2018 at 7:33 PM ^
Fuck you Sparty. Go plow some driveways or something.
December 5th, 2018 at 7:36 PM ^
You are TRASHHHH
December 5th, 2018 at 7:46 PM ^
There is a substantive and meaningful way to defend Gov. Engler's role as interim MSU President. You missed it, by about 10.5 million miles.
December 5th, 2018 at 7:47 PM ^
I have no affection for Jon Engler, and have no intention to defend him. He's a nothing as far as I'm concerned.
December 5th, 2018 at 8:52 PM ^
If by this you mean: Engler was brought in to orchestrate a cover up and to ensure that no substantial changes would be made at MSU, I agree.
If it’s anything else, go to Bolivia with Smegma boy.
December 5th, 2018 at 8:00 PM ^
You are seriously a messed up individual.
Please go away and never comment on this or any other board again.
And maybe seek some professional counseling.
December 5th, 2018 at 8:07 PM ^
Wow. Easily the most disturbing thing I've read on this blog. I really have no words, except-- CAN THIS GUY BE BANNED??
December 5th, 2018 at 8:22 PM ^
+1. Obvious troll is obvious and far too many people are feeding the troll. Just downvote his original post and let the mods address.
December 5th, 2018 at 8:22 PM ^
+1. Obvious troll is obvious and far too many people are feeding the troll. Just downvote his original post and let the mods address.
December 5th, 2018 at 8:20 PM ^
You...you do understand that some people find sexual assault to be unpleasant, right? That maybe the trauma and guilt of the experience can have lingering effects??
That NOT ONE of these women came forward looking to turn this into a payday??? That maybe the fucking point of massive monetary penalties is to discourage soulless dickbags like Engler from enabling future predators????
You are quite obviously a psychopath, no ability to tell right from wrong, and zero empathy. I hope you and I never meet.
December 5th, 2018 at 8:25 PM ^
I'm not disagreeing with a single thing you've said.
The fact remains that $3M buys a person a lot of freedom and can alleviate a lot of unpleasantness.
December 6th, 2018 at 5:58 AM ^
I can assure you, most of those women would gladly give up the $3M if it meant they could go back and not be abused by Nassar. If you don't understand how abuse victims feel, then you should just shut your mouth because these are truly some of the worst things I've ever seen typed on this board
December 6th, 2018 at 8:48 AM ^
I dunno, now that they've received their settlement payments we aren't hearing much from them. What we're seeing now is that this was a lot bigger deal when there was no financial compensation being given to them.
December 6th, 2018 at 10:17 AM ^
Good lord, what do you expect them to do? Nassar is in jail and they got a settlement in court which means they finally got some measure of justice for 20+ years of systemic abuse. Do you expect them to just stand outside in East Lansing every day looking sad for the rest of their life?
You clearly have no clue what it could be like to be in their shoes and you're one of the gross people who think these women essentially lying or embellishing for a pay out. Just stop talking
December 5th, 2018 at 9:40 PM ^
Life loser...
December 6th, 2018 at 7:17 AM ^
I see we have a new Spartan troll on the board. Welcome. I'm sure you'll enjoy your brief stay, asshole.
December 5th, 2018 at 7:04 PM ^
According to one of the Trustees, remaining funds are being rolled into the $500M pot established this year. On paper, perhaps that makes some sense.
But FFS, he doesn’t seem to know the first thing about optics and the image he is projecting of a completely tone-deaf, disconnected, soulless, POS. The sooner that MSU is rid of that fat f-ck, the better off we’ll all be.
December 5th, 2018 at 7:44 PM ^
Things that Engler would very rightly not give two flying fucks about:
- Democrats on the BoT who hate him.
- Democrats who are members-elect of the BoT and who hate him.
- Michigan sports fanz on MGoBlog.
- Democrat-supporting trial lawyers, many of whom are making enough on this settlement to retire, along with most members of their respective lawfirms.
But honestly; the first thing that I wanted to write to you was that it seems to me that you were perhaps the only person commenting here who bothered to read the details of what was actually being done.
The money is not going away; the money is still going to victims. Engler is not getting any of it; and indeed Engler isn't getting any money at all, for all of his manifestly awful trouble. He is donating his $510,000 salary back to MSU charitable organizations.
This was an interim fund, to transition the care needs of victims until settlements were made and they have now largely been made, is what I understand. And as for my understanding, it is at least better than those here who have erroneously posted that they think money is being taken away, or that Engler is making any money off of his MSU work.
December 5th, 2018 at 8:20 PM ^
Ah, so you're the idiot that bought that bridge!!!
December 5th, 2018 at 8:34 PM ^
There was never any indication this was supposed to be a bridge until the final settlements were materialized. I encourage you to read the espn article I posted earlier. While your hostility to democrats is easily inferred I think the incompetence and disregard for the opinions of experts is what is truly revolting. It is one in a series of instances throughout his professional career that point to his lack of standing when he claims he cares about real reform and making things right.
December 5th, 2018 at 8:55 PM ^
Try and follow along.
The $8.5 million is indeed being taken away from the victims.
Engler transferred it to paying down MSUs debt.
You have been Englers apologist on here for months. I hope you are at least billing Engler for your services.
December 5th, 2018 at 9:01 PM ^
can this sparty apologist be gone once and for all please
December 5th, 2018 at 11:13 PM ^
Oh here we go again, Section 1.8 coming out to defend another rich old republican asshole, this time Engler instead of Dave Brandon
December 6th, 2018 at 12:39 AM ^
So if you hold/held elected office as a Republican the only complaints/criticisms you need to give a fuck about are from Republicans? Does this logic hold for Democrats as well?
December 6th, 2018 at 10:11 AM ^
No; but both the Detroit News and ESPN.com stories omitted the fact that the two BoT members, and the two BoT members-elect were all Democrats. Diane Byrum in particular is an old Lansing political hack, from a line of Lansing political hacks.
The other thing is with MGoBlog; wherein I like to wait until any thread that touches on politics goes full-on anti-Republican before I post to point it out.
Setting aside any individual's own personal politics, if an intelligent, interested reader wants to understand the history of Michigan politics in the Engler era, one needs to appreciate the divide between the Republican/Engler law reformers, and the Democrat/contingency fee lawyers. And in my heart of hearts, I really think that Governor Engler was willing to interrupt his retirement to go in up to his eyeballs in trouble that he had absolutely nothing to do with in the first place, was because he wanted to weigh in on another battle between the state (in the form of Michigan State) and the trial lawyers.
John Engler is the father of daughters; daughters who were described by blown-out gubernatorial candidate Geoff Fieger as having been "born with corkscrew tails." I have zero doubt that John Engler cares deeply about other men's daughters at MSU, and wants what is best for them. But that Engler is skeptical about a media feeding frenzy and litigation led by contingency fee lawyers.
And -- nota bene -- we now have not one, not two, but THREE personal injury lawyers on the University of Michigan Board of Regents. (Mark Bernstein of 1-800-CALL SAM; the MGoBlog-endorsed Mike Behm, and now Jordan Acker (MGoAcker.com) who has been practicing law for about 4 years in his father's law firm.
December 5th, 2018 at 7:38 PM ^
Is it any wonder their enrollment is down around 10% ?
December 5th, 2018 at 8:03 PM ^
What is the advantage of keeping Engle at MSU
This is blizzare
December 5th, 2018 at 8:29 PM ^
Agreed. At first I thought they were saving the money, but it appears they’re just lumping it in with the total payout.
They are basically saying, “we are so incompetent we can’t even administer an $8mm fund that we’d rather put more women at risk of long term effects of trauma and take another huge PR hit than try to fix our disbursement processes.”
It is a striking combination of utter incompetence, laziness, and apathy which is a perfect microcosm of MSU administration overall.
December 5th, 2018 at 10:57 PM ^
They hired an outside firm to administer the Healing Fund. Of the first $1.5m that was disbursed, almost half is now alleged/confirmed by MSU Police to have been fraudulent. MSU, per Engler, fired the outside fund managers.
I hope that a lot more sunshine (not less) is focused on this entire settlement, and all of the disbursements. Including the attorney fees and costs to the plaintiffs' counsel.
December 6th, 2018 at 9:19 AM ^
Fraud by outside 3rd parties was not a legitimate reason to suspend (actually terminate) the fund or payment to victims. You have a list with 500 ish names and addresses on it. Once you receive a provider bill you add that information to the name so that if someone tries to bill from somewhere else, a simple inquiry is made. You cross check names and addresses and send confirmation letters. If there are red flags, you make a police referral. You let the "fraud" continue and easily collect any money that mistakenly gets disbursed to third parties.
Even if you had used a really crappy payment vendor that couldn't handle this simple task, and only found out later that mistakes were made, the last thing you do is announce that fraud was occurring and that payment is being stopped. Instantly any crook will know the money cannon is dried up and will be high-tailing it out of there.
If you want to shine light on the injustice that you feel might have been committed by the people representing the victims, its hard to take you seriously if you gloss over this actual and specific miscarriage of justice to make a point that may or may not be there. Just being a lawyer doesn't mean you are good at what you do.
December 6th, 2018 at 9:38 AM ^
Call me a conspiracy theorist here...my skepticism of how this "fraud" was constructed and executed is very high. What are the chances that this "fraud" is actually a funneling of the monies from this fund right back into the MSU coffers??? Given the culture that is (clearly) in place...I would bet on this. MSU's Risk Management and Compliance departments are clearly "top-notch". Again, I will not congratulate them.
December 6th, 2018 at 10:01 AM ^
Victim shaming?
Nice try 1.8.
Let me break this down for you.
Even using your fugures, we have the following:
1. 50% of the funds expenses went to actual victims
2. You are holding victims accountable for MSUs ability to set up a proper payment system.
3: MSU cops have about as much integrity and credibility as Bernie Madoff around here.
4. Why only focus on the plantiff attorney fees? How about also examining pieces of shit like Robert Young and the “value” he has added to the university?
December 6th, 2018 at 10:18 AM ^
Indeed the main reason I wanted to get into the matter of contingency fees was because of the posts I was reading here, complaining about the hourly rates to be billed by consummately skilled, elite lawyers like former Michigan Supreme Court Chief Justice Robert Young.
If Bob Young was one of the contingency fee lawyers in the Nassar case, I expect that his effective fee would have been about $100,000 per hour.
December 6th, 2018 at 10:05 AM ^
Victim shaming?
Nice try 1.8.
Let me break this down for you.
Even using your figures, we have the following:
1. 50% of the funds expenses went to actual victims
2. You are holding victims accountable for MSUs inability to set up a proper payment system.
3: MSU cops have about as much integrity and credibility as Bernie Madoff around here.
4. Why only focus on the plantiff attorney fees? How about also examining pieces of shit like Robert Young and the “value” he has added to the university?
December 5th, 2018 at 8:52 PM ^
very petty, and typical of sparty. Screw the victims to reduce borrowing from $500MM to $491.5MM...I’m surprised money implications never crossed their minds when they were enabling a predator and sexual assault for decades
December 5th, 2018 at 8:56 PM ^
Jon Engle ate east Lansing
December 5th, 2018 at 11:07 PM ^
Mods - can we send this trashfire human being to Bolivia? He has a right to spout bile. He doesn't have the right to use the MGoForum as a platform for such.
December 5th, 2018 at 7:00 PM ^
MSU has plenty to make fun of, but let's not act like they should just give everybody a permanent blank check because of this stuff.
Frankly, these girls are all washed up gymnasts and most probably had no direction in life and all of a sudden are now receiving a $3M windfall and never have to work again for the rest of their lives.
I'll tell you this..... I would be totally ok with a creepy old lady touching my genitals for a couple years if it ended up coming with a $3M windfall.......
December 6th, 2018 at 8:50 AM ^
Based on the poll, that opinion has 50% popularity(which is more than enough to win a presidential election).
December 6th, 2018 at 9:12 AM ^
Mentioning a poll is fine, what's not acceptable in any company is referring (especially blanket) to victims of sexual assault as washed up with no direction in life.
December 6th, 2018 at 9:09 AM ^
I think the real issue here is not that the fund is being rolled into the larger settlement and there won't be a fund post-settlement. The issue is that it was suspended without real cause for half a year, without telling the victims, and now the university isn't paying the counseling bills that it had promised to pay.
The fund was suspended in July, due to accusations of fraudulent claims. According to conversations with survivors and their parents, users of the healing fund were not directly notified of the suspension. Instead, many learned of the developments by reading the news or by submitting a receipt that was not covered.
Lynne Erickson, mother of survivor Ashley Erickson, said she was stunned about how they discovered the fund's suspension. "We got a bill from the office where [Ashley] was receiving therapy. We got a rather large bill from them, that's how I knew it wasn't being paid. So I called [CMCI] and talked to my contact there and they told us that the fund had been temporarily cut off." Survivors were told by the administrators at CMCI the fund would be resumed shortly. However, it never was, and for months survivors were left in limbo and told they would be allowed to submit their receipts once it was restarted. Several ultimately said they had to stop seeking treatment and counseling because they were unable to afford it without assistance.
For families like the Ericksons, this resulted in having to take out a high-interest loan in order to pay for counseling bills -- a decision that was made more tolerable with the belief it would be fully reimbursed in the near future.
While many of the victims are part of the settlement and should reasonably be able to pay off any debt from that, it wasn't part of the agreement, isn't right, and not all victims are part of the global settlement to boot.
December 6th, 2018 at 10:46 AM ^
Again, mods -
Smegmatic Blue has posted that sexual assault victims (who in point of fact have all done more with their lives at ages 15-25ish than he ever will) are "washed up gymnasts"
He's insinuated that their incoming settlement money will be somewhat adequate compensation for childhood trauma and that most of us would be OK with that happening to us. Everyone reading this knows someone who was in fact molested or raped - if they were to read this, what would they think?
We have the right to think and voice dumb or - as is the case here - profoundly offensive opinions. However, the MGoCommunity is under no obligation to give these a platform.
So, again, I ask - why does he still have an account here?
December 6th, 2018 at 10:26 PM ^
How does this fucker still have a straight nose? You'd think, given his track record of being the biggest, slimiest pos he could possibly be at every opportunity, that someone would have the decency to make his nose crooked too.