The Ringer article our team.
Trying not to get too far ahead of myself but people are taking notice. We good.
Worth the read. Helps the healing from the Game we don’t speak of.
November 30th, 2018 at 2:14 PM ^
great zinger at the end from the OSU homer who wrote it.
I don't necessarily disagree, though.
November 30th, 2018 at 2:28 PM ^
I hate to admit it, but I actually enjoy Titus and what he does with The Ringer.
November 30th, 2018 at 3:48 PM ^
Agreed. I've enjoyed his stuff since he was at Grantland.
He just had to go and get that oneliner in as a parting shot, though. Gah!!!
November 30th, 2018 at 3:31 PM ^
"Michigan's basketball program is everything Michigan's football program wishes it could be"
OUCH!
November 30th, 2018 at 5:38 PM ^
Beilein's first four years at UM, he went 67-67 (30-42 in the B1G) and didn't make it past the Tourney's opening weekend.
Harbaugh's first four years have been way more successful that Beilein's.
Patience.
November 30th, 2018 at 5:55 PM ^
Fire Rich Rod?
November 30th, 2018 at 5:57 PM ^
This is true, but Beilein inherited a program that hadn't made the tournament in what, like 15 years? A 64ish team tournament.
Harbaugh came to one of the biggest names in football and inherited a sophomore class that was ranked 4th in the country and a junior class that was ranked 6th in the country.
I absolutely agree with your overall point though. Patience is required.
And for even more perspective, I would argue that the differences in recent history of both programs merely comes down to luck.
Harbaugh's football teams are going to finish in the top 10 in three of his first four seasons! That's even better than any stretch under Beilein.
Harbaugh hasn't won a division title but was plenty good enough and inches away twice in four years (the spot, and the failed Maryland 2pt conversion away). So Harbaugh is a couple flukes away from having the hardware to match the high quality of his teams.
Beilein, on the other hand, is two flukes away from being a highly disappointing tournament coach at Michigan (the KU comeback and the Poole party). Imagine if those miracle shots didn't happen? The narrative around the history of Beilein would be quite different.
Both programs are in very good places. Although it does look like Yaklich has turned the basketball team from very good to elite. Football just needs an OC to do the same.
November 30th, 2018 at 6:15 PM ^
There were many “fans” in this board saying Beilein had reached his ceiling and we should consider making a move if we wanted to achieve great things in Basketball.
Many of those same people are the biggest critics of Harbaugh and the football program.
I believe three years from now those hyper critical of Football program will be viewed as just as off as they were about Beilein.
November 30th, 2018 at 6:40 PM ^
They weren't entirely incorrect about Beilein hitting his personal ceiling. Had he not totally shifted his philosophy and delegated defensive responsibilities, the last two years of Michigan basketball would be very different. Major credit to him for introspecting and adapting and bringing in players and coaches to help him lift the teams ceiling.
I think Harbaugh probably needs to do something similar. And I think he will in the form of an offensive coaching shakeup and more delegation of that side of the ball.
Anyone wanting Harbaugh gone, and I honestly don't see or hear any of that, is crazy. But they're also probably not wrong to criticize the offense over the past four years. Harbaugh would be the first to say they can do better. And he will.
November 30th, 2018 at 2:14 PM ^
Posted already.
Please delete.
November 30th, 2018 at 3:04 PM ^
First I've seen it. Thanks for the link OP.
November 30th, 2018 at 3:33 PM ^
It's only 10 spots below this...
November 30th, 2018 at 2:27 PM ^
Do people not know where the 'MGoBoard' link is, or what it does?
November 30th, 2018 at 3:16 PM ^
I really don't think so. I see the Message Board menu on the right side. Do people really just glance at that and fire? They have to. The amount of double-posts since the 3.0 upgrade are astounding.
November 30th, 2018 at 3:22 PM ^
I assume it has to do with the Board now being buried at the bottom of the mobile version and the fact that you can't scroll to the next page of articles within the right rail, like you could on the old one.
I hate to keep being a jerk about it, but I just hate the cavalier mentality of "I found a link, everyone pay attention to me!" that seems to permeate the habitual duplicators.
November 30th, 2018 at 2:27 PM ^
You wake up every day at 2:00 p.m.. OP? This has been up since like 8:00. Just messing -- but in all seriousness -- you have to check the board for like a whole day back if you want to post some big article like this and think no one else has done it already.
November 30th, 2018 at 2:41 PM ^
Cumong man.
November 30th, 2018 at 2:47 PM ^
Great article, even the second time around.
November 30th, 2018 at 3:03 PM ^
Its so nice..... read it twice!
November 30th, 2018 at 3:16 PM ^
Can't get enough of a good read. SIAP!
November 30th, 2018 at 3:18 PM ^
How many times did the reference saturday's nightmare during the NC broadcast? I counted 3.
November 30th, 2018 at 3:25 PM ^
You're about 12 posts too late.
November 30th, 2018 at 3:49 PM ^
I slept in, thanks for the link. Cheers
November 30th, 2018 at 4:28 PM ^
The zinger at the end is a reminder that while we'd like to believe that the football program is just one or two 5-star recruits away from being Alabama 2.0, the reality is that rebuilding a perennial contender (in any sport) takes a lot of time and patience. We're not there yet.
John Beilein has been at Michigan for more than a decade. Yes, we've appeared in the NCAA Championship Game twice in that time. But I think we'd all have been hard-pressed to see title contention during those first few years, despite being competitive with some good teams.
Now? It's "Bring on Dook!"
Football will get there.
November 30th, 2018 at 4:56 PM ^
the reality is that rebuilding a perennial contender (in any sport) takes a lot of time and patience.
It really doesn't. Plenty of coaches have won national titles in their first 3 or 4 years at jobs at big time programs. Shouldn't take 5 years to beat OSU and win the big ten at a school like Michigan. I think the reality is that our coach is very good but not great, and he won't be great until he modernizes the offense and starts recruiting better than his biggest rival.
November 30th, 2018 at 5:31 PM ^
Interesting. First time I've read any of those complaints.
November 30th, 2018 at 5:37 PM ^
What coach not named Nick Saban(6-7 the year before he got there) took over a 5-7 football team and had them winning a national championship in 3-4 years? And spare me the OSU argument, Meyer was coaching Tressell recruits from the jump, the 6-7 Fickell season was just a terrible coach in a sanctioned year. Meyer also got to recruit his first class at OSU a lot longer than Harbaugh did.
November 30th, 2018 at 5:49 PM ^
You listen to too much Valenti, Harbaugh is not Dantonio or Carr. He has a long history of adapting, pushing coaches out and not being satisfied.
Two years ago they were a bad spot from beating OSU and probably heading to the CFP. He wasn’t satisfied with the development of the OL and brought in Frey, that made things worse so he poached Wariner from the Gophers and pushed Drevno out the door. Last year there was a dip recruiting and he went out and found 2 up and comers known for the recruiting. This year he has put an emphasis on finding really twitchy athletes headed for offense, Gray, Jackson, Sainistril, Johnson and Kent are varying degrees undersized twitchy athletes. Although Gray seems headed to Tennessee the intent is still there.
Jim is studying what’s going on and clearly, is not satisfied with his offense.
November 30th, 2018 at 4:54 PM ^
Underwhelming recruiting class? It was ranked 12th in the nation, I guess this guy only accepts top 10 classes.
November 30th, 2018 at 5:09 PM ^
Were there any 3 star recruits? If so, we're doomed to failure.
November 30th, 2018 at 8:41 PM ^
I thought the same thing. It's only underwhelming when compared to a Duke or a Kentucky class full of one and done 5 stars.
November 30th, 2018 at 7:56 PM ^
Click bait as far as I’m concerned. We are already the best team in the country, better than our football program and Beilein is perfect. Only seven games in. Why were we preseason #19 then? Bleacher report is full of these articles right now from guys that have probably watched like three games. Fn clowns
November 30th, 2018 at 8:23 PM ^
Michigan football ranked #7
Michigan basketball ranked #7.
MICHIGAN FOOTBALL SUCKS! MICHIGAN BASKETBALL IS THE BEST!
November 30th, 2018 at 8:53 PM ^
Less than two years ago (Jan/Feb 2017) the majority of this board was sure Beilein was hopeless, "the game has passed him by", etc. and wanted to see him gone.
The past few weeks, national media are calling him one of the best coaches in the game, and a likely HOF coach.
Hot-takers need to remember: Patience. We are very, very lucky.
November 30th, 2018 at 8:53 PM ^
Less than two years ago (Jan/Feb 2017) the majority of this board was sure Beilein was hopeless, "the game has passed him by", etc. and wanted to see him gone.
The past few weeks, national media are calling him one of the best coaches in the game, and a likely HOF coach.
Hot-takers need to remember: Patience. We are very, very lucky.