3rd String QB - Joe Milton? Wherefore art thou, Brandon Peters?
SIAP or discussed but I have been dealing with a family matter and am not caught up in all things Michigan.
I noticed in the follow-up after the game that it was stated (paraphrased), that Joe Milton has taken over as the #3 QB.
Having a hard time finding out how or why Milton passed up Brandon Peters.
Is Brandon Peters hurt?
Thanks in advance.
And to defray negs due to my ignorance of the situation - here is a funny image that has Always Been Here.
October 15th, 2018 at 1:52 PM ^
I have it on no authority whatsoever that Brandon Peters will transfer at the end of this year. In other words, this is a guess. Since he is clearly #3 at best though, a transfer wouldn't be terribly out of the question. Maybe it hinges on whether Shea comes back next year?
All speculation.
October 15th, 2018 at 2:05 PM ^
He’d still be third string with Patterson gone. This is unfortunate, but seems to just be the way it is.
October 15th, 2018 at 1:52 PM ^
Word nazi time: "Wherefore" means "why". When Juliet said "wherefore art thou Romeo?" (note: no comma) the implication was "why do you have to be a Montague?"
October 15th, 2018 at 1:53 PM ^
logged in to say same thing. +1
October 15th, 2018 at 1:53 PM ^
Nice!
#TheMichiganDifference
October 15th, 2018 at 1:55 PM ^
Late to the party, am I. I was coming here to answer: "Wherefore art thou Brandon Peters? Thou art Brandon Peters because his parents named him Brandon, and his father's surname is Peters."
/grammar pedantry
October 15th, 2018 at 2:51 PM ^
And a rose by any other name would still be a major bowl game.
October 15th, 2018 at 1:58 PM ^
Et tu, MaizeAndBlueWahoo?
October 15th, 2018 at 2:16 PM ^
Hmm....username checks out.
October 15th, 2018 at 2:18 PM ^
I actually had to correct my Literature teacher freshman year in high school on the meaning of "wherefore." She was pretty ditzy. :0)
October 15th, 2018 at 3:46 PM ^
Yes! Thank you! Always a pet peeve of mine!
October 15th, 2018 at 6:39 PM ^
Correct, of course, but.. "Word Nazi?"
"Pedant," if you insist, but unless you intend to exterminate all words that have a soft 'c' sound or something, I'm not sure that willfully comparing yourself to one of the world's greatest evils is necessary. :)
October 17th, 2018 at 6:41 AM ^
You must not be a Seinfeld fan.
October 15th, 2018 at 1:54 PM ^
OK, in true Michigan fashion let's all pile on for his use of "wherefore"!!
October 15th, 2018 at 1:54 PM ^
It's possible. It is likely that Peters is still the #3 guy. But Milton came in for a gadget play (actually just a designed QB run) which meant that the Wisconsin game counted against his four games that he can play and still maintain a redshirt. With that in mind, it made sense to give him a couple of live snaps once we got into garbage time.
I don't think it means anything for the pecking order this year. Its effect on next year? That's a different story.
October 15th, 2018 at 1:57 PM ^
This was my uneducated thinking. Come in for a quick feel for primetime. Also isn't the redshirt rule 4 of the first 6 games? Or is it 4 games period?
October 15th, 2018 at 2:12 PM ^
It's now four games, period. This is a new rule for this season.
October 15th, 2018 at 2:13 PM ^
Any 4 games.
October 15th, 2018 at 2:54 PM ^
AND no longer the need to make up an "injury" to claim said redshirt.
October 15th, 2018 at 2:59 PM ^
New redshirt rule is four games total, doesn't have to be at the beginning of season
October 15th, 2018 at 1:58 PM ^
Thanks Stephen.
This quote is what stuck out to me:
"Joe Milton—who seems to have taken over the third-string spot—rushing twice for 22 yards."
Is it just as likely that they held out Peters to preserve his availability for 4 other more competitive games later in the year - but still retain his potential for redshirt? Or maybe I am just ignorant about how this all works.
October 15th, 2018 at 4:00 PM ^
Peters already redshirted in 2016. So this season counts against his eligibility whether he plays 5+ games or not.
October 15th, 2018 at 3:13 PM ^
Yes. This.
October 15th, 2018 at 1:54 PM ^
Seemed like Milton was SituationalQB1 but still may be QB4 on the depth chart. Maybe he passed Peters. Who knows. Here's to hoping we never find out!
October 15th, 2018 at 1:57 PM ^
Clearly Peters has been passed by McCaffrey. Given that DM has one more year of eligibility I'm confident Peters will transfer. He enrolled early and hopefully he can graduate at the end of the '19 school year, transfer and be able to immediately play with 2 years of eligibility remaining.
October 15th, 2018 at 2:18 PM ^
Doesn't McCaffrey have 3 years of eligibility left after this year? I know Fowler said one more year during the broadcast, but he was wrong.
October 15th, 2018 at 2:20 PM ^
Yeah, he's only a RS FR.
October 15th, 2018 at 1:59 PM ^
Brandon Peters did not pass his audition last season. Surprised he hasn't transferred yet.
October 15th, 2018 at 2:07 PM ^
Because going somewhere else to sit out this season and not play would be better? Instead of having the opportunity to learn from one of the best QB coaches in the game for a couple more months and have the opportunity to play if a couple injuries occur. And, if he wants to guarantee he is going start somewhere next year, it would be better to make that decision in April/May than before recruits sign, NFL early entries, etc.
Also, he needs to graduate to be able to transfer and play next year if that's what he decides to do.
October 15th, 2018 at 2:13 PM ^
Transferring before this season, and learning a play book for a year at the next school would have been nice, it seems.
October 15th, 2018 at 4:12 PM ^
Possibly. But that comes with several downsides.
First of all, he's probably on track to graduate M in three years. So if he sticks it out another year in A2, he gets his degree in spring 2019. If he transfers sooner, then there may be limits on how many credits he can transfer, in-residence requirements, school-specific course requirements, and other obstacles that could delay him getting his undergraduate degree.
Second, if he transfers as an undergraduate, he has the one-year disqualification and can't play for his new school no matter what. If he stays at Michigan, there is always some possibility he could play this season even if he's way down the depth chart.
Third, if he's transferring for playing time, then it's in his interest to transfer somewhere he knows or is pretty darn confident that he can start from the get-go. Being able to do a graduate transfer and play immediately upon arrival gives him that ability. If he has to transfer in, wait a year, and then compete for a starting job, then lots can happen in the meantime; offensive assistants or even the entire staff can change, key receivers and other teammates will come and go, new recruits will come in, etc.
All of this seems to substantially outweigh the benefit of having an extra year to study a playbook.
October 15th, 2018 at 6:04 PM ^
I like him. It looks increasingly like he will grad transfer. Wherever he goes, I will be following what he does. I hope he does great.
October 15th, 2018 at 2:05 PM ^
October 15th, 2018 at 3:23 PM ^
No, red shirt already used. Morris didn't red shirt as a frosh, Peters did.
October 15th, 2018 at 3:52 PM ^
You missed the point-which was correct...a medical redshirt would still be available.
October 15th, 2018 at 6:42 PM ^
No, it wouldn't, unless he can show that the original redshirt was also medically necessary and the NCAA approved a waiver.
You don't get one academic redshirt and one medical redshirt. If you want eligibility across 6 seasons, you need to show both were medical.
October 15th, 2018 at 2:06 PM ^
Rumor is that Peters was limited or injured earlier in the year. I never heard what the injury was or its severity.
He looked limited in garbage time of Nebraska game. He just wasn't moving around well. He was the third QB in that game. Milton never saw the field in that one.
I don't if Milton has passed him on the depth chart for the season or if this was just a one game thing because of something we saw on film about Wisconsin's defense.
I hope Shea stays another year, but I would feel good about McCaffery taking the reigns next year.
October 15th, 2018 at 2:08 PM ^
I will say it again, I read inside information in January that Brandon Peters will never see a significant snap at Michigan again, unless there is a string of injuries to the players ahead of him. And it's because of not protecting the ball. It's not the turnovers, but HOW his turnovers happened.
I've also read that Milton is being prepared for RPO plays, at this point, and not as a pocket passer. But that's at this point. His touch can still be developed, which will open the possibility of being a pocket passer. He needs A LOT of work on it though. But, there's another factor for Milton to deal with, Cade McNamara, who is having a great senior year. He lead a great game winning drive about 3 weeks ago. He really sacrificed his body running on a 4th and 7. He did get the 1st, just barely. He is looking like he could be a great at Michigan.
Brandon Peters needs to graduate early, and grad transfer in January.
He's a great kid. I feel bad for him that this is happening to him. But that is life.
October 15th, 2018 at 2:10 PM ^
What happened on that Milton play. Almost seemed like he botched it and just fell forward into the line. Seemed like a strange call and a waste of a down. As Brian's cohort on the podcast said an 18 year old kid getting his first snap in primetime before 100,000--he's mostly just hoping he catches the snap.
October 15th, 2018 at 2:14 PM ^
According to umbig11, Peters pulled away as the clear #2 in fall camp. Have to imagine he was playing pretty well with how strong Dylan has looked so far. I do think he would have gotten the nod at ND if he had not been injured
October 15th, 2018 at 2:25 PM ^
Or umbig11 was wrong. Possible?
October 15th, 2018 at 2:30 PM ^
Idk when UMBig11 said we looked more like an 8-4 team and that Nebraska might be a close, toss up game, was when he lost me. Dude may have some inside info, but he is far from the end all be all in regards to processing and communicating potential information. Also reading between the lines, sometimes seems like he has a grudge against Harbaugh, which, ok.
October 15th, 2018 at 7:35 PM ^
He was #2 until a knee injury. He had more experience early on. DM flat out passed him for good. Much more behind this one. Writing is on the wall.
October 15th, 2018 at 8:01 PM ^
My guess, peters and coaches both already know his plan, graduate in spring and grad transfer with 2 years left. So what’s peters point in playing during games and risk get hurt. Just go through the motions in practice and dress for games to keep things appearing smoothly
October 15th, 2018 at 9:33 PM ^
I suppose you could rationalize it that way.
October 15th, 2018 at 10:49 PM ^
Most insiders said McCaffrey was clearly #2 in Fall Camp. Listening to how Don Brown and Jim Harbaugh talked about McCaffrey, he was #2.
It is likely the only reason Peters was named #2 before the season started was to keep him from transferring if he was named #3, what he actually was.
There never was a time when Peters and Patterson were in a neck and neck race for starter.
October 18th, 2018 at 2:26 AM ^
There was one 'insider,' and he is a known hack who was recently caught lying about his sources by the source:
And who is also a confirmed bigot:
October 15th, 2018 at 2:15 PM ^
I think if it were to come down to it, i.e. Patterson would be injured, I would assume Mccaffrey would be first one up and I hope Peters would be the backup. Same goes for next year should Patterson leave. I think Peters still has the talent, and even if the coaches think Milton is better, Peters has the game experience to give confidence should he need to come in.