NCAA Clears MSU re: Nassar & OTL
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2018…
Beekman...
“In regards to the crimes committed on our campus by Larry Nassar, the NCAA findings do not change a thing,” Beekman said. “NCAA member organizations have a specific set of rules to which we hold each other accountable. And while we agree with the NCAA that we did not commit a violation, that does not diminish our commitment to ensure the health, safety and wellness of our student athletes. That pledge permeates everything we do as part of a larger university commitment to making MSU a safer campus.
“As it relates to the handling of student-athlete conduct issues, at Michigan State we are committed to following all appropriate policies and procedures. Today’s findings provide external validation of Mark Dantonio and Tom Izzo and the way they administer their programs. Mark and Tom represent the athletic department and Michigan State University with integrity."
August 30th, 2018 at 2:23 PM ^
But not off of MSU: their moment in the sun was some rough buttsex from Alabama 5 years ago.
The NCAA's problem stems from the fact that if they punish MSU, they might have to punish other people who do wrong things...
August 30th, 2018 at 12:00 PM ^
It doesn't matter what this says. We know. They know. Everybody who cares knows. The Michigan State Athletic Department is a very sick place.
August 30th, 2018 at 12:01 PM ^
ESPN says otherwise and we hate ESPN except when they say bad things about MSU/OSU. I’m confused
August 30th, 2018 at 12:14 PM ^
Fuck off sparty troll.
August 30th, 2018 at 5:12 PM ^
Seems reasonable
August 30th, 2018 at 12:37 PM ^
Give it up, man. Maybe start again with a new account but try not to make it so obvious next time.
August 30th, 2018 at 5:23 PM ^
Your confusion is the reason why you work at dominos. . .
August 30th, 2018 at 12:01 PM ^
Come on, man. NCAA doesn't punish minor shit like sexual assault, domestic assault, lying/obfuscation, academic fraud, cash payments, student deaths, etc. They only have time for big stuff, like cream cheese, giving kids car rides, and stretching.
August 30th, 2018 at 12:51 PM ^
Don't forget about satellite camps. Can't be having kids (without the necessary resources) being scouted by coaches at their local high schools. The treachery I tell ya.
August 30th, 2018 at 12:02 PM ^
So what in the actual fuck constitutes an NCAA violation, then?
August 30th, 2018 at 12:18 PM ^
Stretching
August 30th, 2018 at 3:13 PM ^
Too much stretching.
Next time NCAA comes knocking on our door for some petty stuff, I hope we tell them to fuck off.
August 30th, 2018 at 12:05 PM ^
Yay! Mork gets away with another one!!
Seriously, this bullshit has to catch up with him sooner or later, doesn't it?
August 30th, 2018 at 12:52 PM ^
What is Mork guilty of? Izzo kept what's his face on the team after he knew he punched a chick so bad on him. But I haven't heard what d'anti did or what hes being investigated for.
August 30th, 2018 at 1:03 PM ^
Brian did a summation earlier this year of the litany of players who were let back on the team after some pretty egregious incidents including several accusations of sex assault. One guy came out of jail on Thursday and was starting on Saturday. If anyone has that link please provide as a sort of cold goo to feed our Sparty trolls.
August 30th, 2018 at 1:15 PM ^
Feed the Trolls!
August 30th, 2018 at 12:06 PM ^
Umbig11, any update on the msu stuff that's supposed to be coming out? Thanks.
August 30th, 2018 at 12:08 PM ^
Charge was pled down to littering on the lawn of an unmarried woman.*
* sarcasm. I have no idea and wouldn’t mind an update myself.
August 30th, 2018 at 1:06 PM ^
Wondering this too... it's at least supposed to come out in the near future correct? I believe the MSU stuff was confirmed on the Rivals paywalled board with Chris Balas so I believe it's definitely going to happen... correct?
August 30th, 2018 at 12:07 PM ^
After the last couple of weeks, if I’m Penn State I’m wondering WTF. MSU and OSU had similar facts and circumstances and an egregiously difference result.
August 30th, 2018 at 12:14 PM ^
To be fair, what happened at OSU is nowhere even remotely close to what happened at PSU.
I don't want to downplay the severity of what happened to Courtney Smith, but the enabled rape of children puts you squarely in the ninth circle of hell. Apples to oranges, pal.
August 30th, 2018 at 12:20 PM ^
Google Dr. Richard Strauss, “pal”
August 30th, 2018 at 12:29 PM ^
Wrong bucknut scandal. I know, it gets confusing.
August 30th, 2018 at 4:01 PM ^
Thank you.
August 30th, 2018 at 12:19 PM ^
Well, you see, the NCAA learned its lesson after punishing Penn State. They'll never do that again.
August 30th, 2018 at 12:25 PM ^
+1 underrated
August 30th, 2018 at 1:18 PM ^
Has the "Healing" started at ped state yet???
/asking for a coach
August 30th, 2018 at 12:12 PM ^
Doesn't change what happened there, and what has been enabled to happen there. Like what happened at Penn State, that is a stain that MSU will never be able to wash off.
August 30th, 2018 at 12:32 PM ^
The problem is the stain isn't visible nor is it permanent and lastly they really just don't care. In five years there will not be a recruit that even knows there was ever anything wrong.
August 30th, 2018 at 1:01 PM ^
Nassar? Agreed
August 30th, 2018 at 12:16 PM ^
Yes, sexual assaults & rape were swept under the rug but it's not like the stretched too much.
August 30th, 2018 at 12:18 PM ^
And then the NCAA raised their epic double birds to all of the victims and their families and said "Fuck you too!".
August 30th, 2018 at 12:27 PM ^
Fuck that
August 30th, 2018 at 12:27 PM ^
Because, of fucking course they did. End of story.
August 30th, 2018 at 12:49 PM ^
I knew they would do this and yet I'm somehow still surprised and angry. Weird.
August 30th, 2018 at 12:52 PM ^
I ate a bagel with cream cheese literally seconds before seeing this post. Had I instead simply molested someone, that would've garnered me less scrutiny from the NCAA.
August 30th, 2018 at 12:56 PM ^
This sounds like something they would do.
August 30th, 2018 at 12:58 PM ^
The NCAA is such a joke. Money and winning is apparently more important than rapes, women beating, and lies.
August 30th, 2018 at 1:00 PM ^
This is Penn State's fault. They fought the punishment for Sandusky, got the NCAA to cave, and now that is the binding precedent.
Burn everything down.
August 31st, 2018 at 11:07 PM ^
Penn State never fought the NCAA's punishment. Your statement is incorrect.
August 30th, 2018 at 1:01 PM ^
Meyer is not going away. Dantonio is not going away.
If we hoped these scandals would make that happen, we were wrong.
The only way to make them go away is beat them on the field a few times in a row.
So do it for justice, Michigan.
August 30th, 2018 at 1:17 PM ^
The Onion couldn't have written it better.
August 30th, 2018 at 1:34 PM ^
it's only a violation if nassar slipped his victims some cash for the privilege.
August 30th, 2018 at 1:34 PM ^
Unpopular opinion alert: I don't necessarily think this is a wrong decision. I think Nassar, Appling, Payne, and the dozens of rapists and criminals who played for Dantonio should be in jail forever. I think Klages, Simon, Izzo, Dantonio, the BOT, Engler, Nassar's boss, and the old AD whose name I forget should be tried and convicted as accessories and accomplices. But I don't think the NCAA should be involved. Admittedly, I don't know every single NCAA rule, but I'm pretty sure there's not an express "don't rape anybody" or even general "don't commit crimes" regulation (whether there should be or not is a whole other conversation).
As it stands, the NCAA is an administrative body without any subpoena power or real investigative arm, and I think inserting them into legal issues, that aren't directly tied to "sports activities" isn't a good choice. A, they lack the means to actually do anything; B, punishing teams for this kind of thing just, to me, cheapens what the victims have gone through; and C, something feels wrong about punishing players who had nothing to do with the crimes via postseason bans, vacated wins, etc. Why should some random MSU gymnast be banned from that national tournament because Nassar is one of the worst humans ever born? I felt the same way about PSU, this is bigger than what the NCAA can and should be about, and it always felt like the NCAA came down on PSU because of public pressure and the desire to be clear how they were opposed to rape; pretty much everyone acknowledges they basically made up violations to justify punishment.
I realize I'm in the great minority on this opinion (and I'm prepared for the negbombing I'll receive). But I think situations like this, where abominable acts occurred by people in the athletic department that aren't "sports related", should be dealt with by the police, by the FBI, by the State, and/or by Title IX investigators. To me, it's just beyond the NCAA's job, and their hamhandedness and inconsistency dealing with these issues just shows it.
August 30th, 2018 at 2:29 PM ^
Your position makes sense to me. But then why put out any statement or investigate at all when they have limited powers to begin with other than to punish future innocent athletes? It's pretty transparent to some people at this point given the amount of investigations they have conducted that have ended up with no punishment that they are a toothless organization pursuing a self-centered agenda.
Edit: Former AD was Mark Hollis btw
August 30th, 2018 at 1:53 PM ^
So my guess is that Mark Hollis is the "Fall guy" in this situation. If nothing was wrong in the athletic department, then why in the hell did he "retire?"
August 30th, 2018 at 1:55 PM ^
I heard that ESPN was supposed to be coming out with a follow up from their spring's "Crisis at Michigan State" expose.
now would be a perfect time for the Outside the Lines people to chime in
August 30th, 2018 at 2:22 PM ^
I have to say, I am surprised at all the self-righteous indignation on this forum regarding the news about MSU. I realize you hate Michigan State, but I would expect people on this forum, especially actual Michigan graduates, to be a little more measured and nuanced with their criticism. None of this news should lesson the vile, criminal behavior of Larry Nassar or the incompetent people who enabled him over the years. However, putting aside your utter contempt for Michigan State, I would think that many of you would be able to come to terms with the fact that Dantonio and Izzo are not the monsters you want to believe they are. Then again, I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears.
August 30th, 2018 at 2:31 PM ^
Come again?
August 30th, 2018 at 3:08 PM ^
How would the NCAA know? They didn't even bother to interview Carolyn Schaner. The victim who went public with her story about her gang rape.
This wasn't a thorough investigation by the NCAA at all.