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|4 hours 48 min ago||Jets?||
A lot of local media here clamoring for Harbaugh to the Jets. I think the Jets will be the last hurdle. If they give Harbaugh a full control plus comparable salary, I could see that being the "gamechanger" we're all talking about.
Remember, THE JETS INTERVIEWED HARBAUGH IN 2009 before hiring Rex Ryan, and they are not afraid to spend money, so let's hold tight.
|2 days 15 hours ago||Could it be Base $6 Million||
that can go as high as $8 million if he wins a national championship or makes the CFP?
|2 days 20 hours ago||Seth Post a Good Reminder||
Judging by your username, I guess we are both biased because we're constantly bombarded with news about NFL teams.
I just looked at Seth's survey and I came away discouraged. There was no coach in that list who did what Harbaugh would be doing now if he came back (go back to college when he will likely have multiple NFL options, and where he hasn't failed or been middling as a NFL coach). I agree that it would speak volumes about Harbaugh's love for the school if he came back.
But I will add this. None of the colleges those former NFL coaches left for are as desperate as we are right now. The only school that comes close was USC in 2001 when they hired Carroll. The desperation and the money the school is throwing around may make Harbaugh an exception, but let's see.
|3 days 14 hours ago||Jet is Okay; Very Suspicious About the JUCOs||
I'm okay with the jet, especially if it's used for recruiting. Even Greg Schiano had a jet when he was at Rutgers (there was a controversy over it when it was leaked).
However, I'm wary about the JUCOs if it's true. Wasn't Harbaugh the one who said Michigan needed to re-emphasize academics with football players? How many JUCOs did he accept at Stanford (does Stanford accept any transfers period)? If he could succeed at Stanford without JUCOs, why does he need them here?
It could be that he doesn't like the current roster and will try to fill key positions (QB) with JUCOs. No one will blame any coach for trying to bring a JUCO or a grad transfer at QB right now given the current situation at QB. However, I'm very wary having anyone be above the unversity and be able to override admissions. This isn't the SEC.
|3 days 22 hours ago||Because right now, we're the||
Because right now, we're the only game in town. The moment the season is over, official NFL offers will follow. We are hurt by waiting because if we do so, other NFL offers will almost certainly come.
|3 days 23 hours ago||Give Harbaugh an Ultimatum?||
Does anyone think it would be in our interests to give Harbaugh a deadline to respond? If the offer is for an unlimited duration, we risk Harbaugh weighing his NFL options, and then rejecting us. At that time, we're in early Jan., and would have to intensify Plan B, which means we won't have a coach until likely mid Jan.
I don't think time is on our side. This is just a guess (none of us can see the future), but I see Harbaugh getting at least 1 NFL offer on par with the one we just gave him. That means full control + approx. $8 million / year. Right now, we see Oakland, NY Jets, Bears, and the Dolphins as options. When the season is over, there will likely be more openings and more interest. You only need 1 NFL team to bite, and then we're screwed (unless Harbaugh wanted to come back to college all along, in which case he probably would have accepted by now, or in the next 24-48 hours).
So there may not be much downside to an ultimatum, if the odds are not in our favor. If I were Hackett, I would exploit every single NFL contact available to see if teams are interested. If the Dolphins are interested, I would call Ross and tell him to open up.
Another benefit to an ultimatum is that we will be telling the world that we are still Michigan, and that we will not bend backwards to attract a guy. Offering someone to be the highest paid college football coach even though he has no rings (unlike Saban) already is an indication that we're a little desperate (actually, we are desperate). Simply waiting around after this offer, especially if there's no Plan B, potentially can make us look much worse if Harbaugh does say no.
|4 days 3 hours ago||Schefter||
I'm not going to dismiss Schefter because I don't see why he would be biased against us. Yes, it may be true that Michigan insiders have more access to information from within MIchigan. But it also may be true that NFL insiders have more access to information in the NFL. There may be natural bias (based on access to information), but it works both ways.
Yes, there is a no poaching period until the end of the NFL regular season, but it's hard for me to imagine that NFL teams who are out of the playoffs aren't trying to get around that by faciliating communications between agents (i.e. no direct contact). There may be NFL offers already on the table that we're not aware of.
I think we need to take a step back. Both Michigan insiders / NFL guys may be talking to people with vested interests / hopes. Ultimately the only person who knows is Harbaugh himself.
|4 days 3 hours ago||But What About $8 Million / Year||
Good points, but do you really think Oakland is willing to match or even come close to $8 million / year?
Look, the only leverage Michigan has right now is money. it does not appear money is an issue if $8 million / year is on the table. We have no other leverage at this point because there are no viable Plan B options. If say, Dan Mullen was seriously on the table, then we could give Harbaugh an ultimatum, before the NFL offers come in, and if he says no, there's a suitable alternative. But of course, there is no Plan B.
|4 days 4 hours ago||Ploy Against NFL Teams||
Could this be a ploy by the AD to reduce the number of good NFL opportunities Harbaugh will have? I don't think Harbaugh will rush a decision until he sees all the NFL offers out there, and I don't think Hackett has a guts to force Harbaugh to make a decision on Michigan before the NFL offers come in (we are, unfortunately, that desperate).
So could the AD release this to put all NFL teams on notice that if they want Harbaugh, they will likely have to match $8 million / year (making him the highest paid coach in football), plus give up draft picks to the 49ers? I don't see why the 49ers would just fire him when they can get draft picks if they trade him to another NFL team. That would mean a NFL team would have to swallow $8 million / year + draft picks. The only team I can see doing that is the Jets due to desperation (I don't see the Giants, Bears or Falcons willing to go that far).
|4 days 4 hours ago||I Dunno||
We are banking on Harbaugh making an impulsive decision, that is to say, making a decision before seeing what else is our there. I don't like the two week window comment at all. That tells me Harbaugh will wait until the end of the NFL season to see what else is out there (don't blame him).
Time is not on our side. I commend Hackett for doing everything in his power to get Harbaugh. If the 6 yr / $48 million offer is true, then Harbaugh will be the highest paid football coach period (he'll match Payton and be higher than Saban). You really can't offer anything more.
You wonder whether Hackett should give Harbaugh an ultimatum. I hope the AD is plugged in on what's going on in the NFL so they know what offers there may be out there. If there's a total control offer from a desirable team in a desirable location (for example, if the Jets or the Bears come in with that), then I dunno.
|4 days 17 hours ago||Read the Tweet||
He said he was "not willing to jump to 90-10 but definitely getting more optimistic." That doesn't mean he's 90 / 10.
In any event, good news!
|4 days 23 hours ago||Schiano||
Not sure if people have written about Schiano in more details, but a couple of points to add.
First, since he's done something as a head coach, he is IMO much better than Addazio (who's done nothing) or a current assistant coach (no matter how accomplished).
Second, his teams have some of the highest APRs in the country. You can't take that away from him.
Third, Schiano deserves praise for identifying (and developing) good players who were lightly recruited. A number of his NFL players like Ray Rice, Tiquan Underwood, Mohamed Sanu, Devin McCourty and Brian Leonard were lightly recruited, if at all, but turned out to form the nucleus of Schiano's good teams.
The issue with that, however, is that all of those players are from the NJ area. As far as I'm aware, Schiano has never recruited in the midwest or the west coast. He has (and Rutgers continues to) recruited in south Florida, but outside of the "state of Rutgers" (NJ, eastern PA, downstate NY) and south Florida, he has very little recruiting experience.
This is in no means an endorsement of Schiano. It's merely a statement that he may be able to find "diamonds in the rough." I can see a situation where he's hired, keeps Nussmeier (Schiano always ran a pro-style offense anyways), focuses his efforts on defense, and hires some assistants with midwest / west coast recruiting experience, and fields good, but not great teams.
This is better IMO than taking a complete flyer on an unknown coach or an unproven assistant.
|4 days 23 hours ago||Seems Like We're Just Throwing Names Around||
And that's not good news. If Harbaugh passes and we end up passing Miles for Schiano, then to me that will mean the AD cares more about personal grudges than the success of the football program.
I have a different take on the Miles comment, which is that LSU may have forced him to come out and say something. The rumors undeniably affect recruiting (i.e. other SEC coaches using this against him). Another take is that Miles himself is just fed up with not being considered a serious candidate despite his excellent credentials (which will very likely continue given that he had a young team during his "rebuilding" year).
|5 days 4 hours ago||I've Never Understood the Fascination with Herman||
Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I've never understood why some consider Herman to be a real plan B option, when he's never been a head coach. He may be a bright mind, but without head coaching experience, it's just too risky, especially for us and our situation.
Just as in real life, where you can't replicate experience, I would rather have someone who has been through the ups and downs of being a head coach. This includes Schiano. Even considering Herman kind of reeks of desperation, like we're just trying to take something away from OSU.
|5 days 22 hours ago||I Will Say This||
If you're going to put it all out on the line with Harbaugh, now's the time. It's before the end of the season, which means you're not going to get strong overtures from other NFL teams whose current situations are most likely not settled. This is the best time to put Harbaugh on the spot. I think it's now or never. If we don't know in the next couple of days, more NFL teams will come calling and it's probably over. We just need to hold tight.
|1 week 2 hours ago||Rebuttal to the Miles Criticism||
For those who say Miles can never be considered due to his personal conflicts with the administration, consider this. It was rumored that some at ND was reluctant to hire Brian Kelly because it came out in the lead up to his hire that he's pro-choice. Yet ND (the standard bearer Catholic university), hired him anyways. You could argue that Kelly being pro-choice does hurt ND because of the prominance of its football program. So if ND will hire Kelly anyways despite this, what's stopping us from hiring Miles? Even if everything about his past is true, does that mean he should be excluded, especially when we need him, and especially when he's willing to listen to us even though he's in a great situation now? Did this past do anything to hurt the football program? What's worse - what Miles (allegedly) did, or publicly calling out your alma mater for having fake academic standards? The latter is undeniable, and it was Harbaugh.
The question then becomes, why are we so quick to forgive Harbaugh for his transgression and not Miles for something that didn't even hurt the program (and that happened a long time ago)?
|1 week 15 hours ago||Ross Doesn't Owe You (or Michigan) Anything||
I will try not to talk down on people with this post (though the heading suggests that I will). Folks, Ross has done enough for this university. His donations alone are enough, and he has given the university so much more than what the university has given him.
As a businessman, Ross has to do what's in the interests of his business. He owes nothing to Michigan or anyone else. Did you ever consider that maybe Ross became what he is because he did not award favors, and instead insisted on quality control?
Everyone here needs to take a step back and realize that the world does not revolve around Michigan football. Yes, we desperately need Harbaugh but that doesn't mean he's coming, or that it would be rational for him to come.
This will very likely not be the only expression of interest from a team outside of Oakland. For example, I believe he will at least be considered for the Jets job (when it opens), and the Giants job (if it opens).
We need a back-up plan, or else we may very well end up with Schiano.
|1 week 1 day ago||Does This Mean Herman to Houston as HC?||
He was the other coach linked with that position. Here's to hoping it's true.
FYI, I am loath to hire an assistant, even if it means we hire Schiano.
|1 week 3 days ago||Building on Your Argument||
Another downside with Herman is that there would be yet another transition on offense from the pro-style to the spread. It probably won't be as bad as the one with Rich Rod, but it is a transition, and that means losing the first 1-2 years. I think we can all agree that we have 0 spread type QBs on the roster now (we don't have a lot of speed, either).
I would much prefer someone who can ride the ship and get the program back to an upward trajectory. He doesn't have to be a pro-style guy, just someone who can work with the current pieces. I really place a premium on stability because we can't afford any more turmoil.
For those reasons, I think Schiano would be better than Herman.
|1 week 3 days ago||School with the Most to Lose||
If we end up hiring Mullen, I think Mississippi State will have a hard time replacing him with another comparable coach. For Stoops it will probably be easier. Hey, Schiano's available. I'm sure he'd be a great cultural fit at either of those schools.
|1 week 4 days ago||There Needs to be a Solid #2 or Else We Get Schiano / Addazio||
I don't have a good feeling about this search. I hope I'm 100% wrong and get negged when Harbaugh gets hired, but if what we have to hang our hat on right now is waiting until the NFL season is over before getting word from Harbaugh, I don't see that as a good sign because Harbaugh will most likely have multiple NFL offers after the regular season. Look, there's no perfect scenario where the only opening ends up being Oakland. NFL teams fires coaches frequently, and there will be firings that you don't expect. There will likely be at least 1 (Jets), maybe 2 (Jets and Giants) openings in NY, for example. For me to have some hope, there would have to be some indication that Harbaugh wants to come back to college. The longer this holding pattern continues, the worse off we are IMO.
Again, if you were Harbaugh, and there are multiple NFL offers on the table, what would you do? He hasn't proven himself yet in the NFL, but he has in college. The pinnacle of football is the Super Bowl, and if there are desirable openings on teams that are willing to spend money on players, what would you do? The logical move would be to stay in the NFL.
We need to try to see this search from a non-Michigan perspective. Harbuagh isn't a better fit for college because he's a control freak. I mean, that's like saying Bill Belichick is a better fit for college becuase he's a control freak. Harbaugh doesn't have this irrational desire to "come home" because if he did, he would have accepted already. Look, it's widely stated here (and elsewhere) that Miles would have accepted in 2010 and 2007 if offered. So that means Miles was willing to work with Brandon. It's widely believed that Miles would accept again if offered now (even though he was spurned twice already, and even though he's a good coach with longevity in the SEC West and a national title). To me, that's an irrational desire to come home (because the rational reaction would be to give the finger to a school that's alraedy rejected you twice, even though it's a clear downgrade in terms of wins and losses in recent history). I see absolutely no such desire in Harbaugh. I see someone that is rational, and if true that means we're in big trouble.
Hackett needs to be as objective as possible here. Right now, there needs to be a clear back-up plan. Putting out feelers for Cutcliffe is a step in the right direction, but there needs to be an overture to at least 1-2 solid backups, and maybe even extended negotiations with them. Look, guys like Mullen and Stoops are not idiots. They know who our #1 is now. If they can't handle that, then maybe they shouldn't be candidates. My greatest fear is that Harbaugh rejects us, and then there's a mad scramble to find someone. It will look like we are disorganized, there may not be enough time to vet Mullen / Stoops (or other credible candidates), those guys get impatient, and we end up with a Hoke again (Schiano / Addazio).
I'm not seeing a clear backup plan right now. The most logical (IMO) and obvious one is Miles, but apparently Hoke was better than him, so he's out. If not Miles, it has to be someone. It can't just be more hope for Harbaugh. If you don't pinpoint the backups right now, and start serious (and honest) discussions with them, you will most likely not be able to pull off a last minute save if Harbaugh says no.
I'm afraid this is starting to look a lot like the last 2 searches.
|1 week 5 days ago||Cutcliffe Turned Down Tennessee in 2010||
And he has roots there as OC under Fulmer (and developing Peyton Manning). Maybe he just wants a low pressure situation. It's not a surprise that he isn't interested, though in my view he should have been much higher on our list.
|1 week 5 days ago||I Like Hackett's Thinking||
You never put all your eggs in one basket. Personally, I wouldn't interpret this (and reaching out to Miles), as meaning that Harbaugh has said no. It's just creating a backup plan in case you do not get your preferred choices.
Cutcliffe would be a very good hire IMO if we can't get Harbaugh. He's exactly what we need right now to stabalize the program. He has a reputation for developing QBs, an area we sorely need right now. He's spent almost his entire career in the south (except for 1 year at ND), which will be good for recruiting. Coaching at a school with academic expectations - check.
Simply reaching out to Cutcliffe increases my confidence in Hackett. It shows that he's willing to take a single if he can't hit a homerun, instead of shooting for the stars and not having a backup plan, and then setting us back again with a poor hire.
|1 week 6 days ago||Not Necessarily||
Even if Michigan doesn't develop good players, the NFL scouts would still be interested in them on raw talent alone. Many late round draft picks (like Cox, for example), are based purely on numbers players put up in the combine, irrespective of what they did or did not do in college.
I agree wholeheartedly that player development needs to improve. When you see guys like Stevie Brown, Molk, Omameh etc...making NFL teams and contributing, you do wonder about player development. However, I don't think that's the underlying issue with this program. The underlying issue is that we don't have that many difference makers who are physically superior to the competition (on the roster now, I can only think of Jabrill, who has done nothing yet, and maybe Ty Isaac, who likewise has done nothing yet). To compete with the OSUs and Alabamas of the world, you need a bunch of those guys (and preferably one at QB). We don't have that right now.
|1 week 6 days ago||Recruiting IS a Problem||
Strongly disagree with the notion that recruiting is not an issue. Look, the only opinion that matters on recruiting is what NFL scouts say, not what scout.com says (or rivals, ESPN, 24/7). NFL scouts have not been too kind on our players of late.
I think we really need to start recruiting the south. There's a reason why all the best teams are there. It's because they have the best players! CA is also an area we used to recruit well, but it may be a struggle because almost all the local schools there are stable. We need to start building pipelines down there and not just have one-off recruiting (VA, for example, is a good place to start).
|1 week 6 days ago||Slightly Different Outlook||
I had mixed feelings watching that game because the gulf between the two programs may lead the best candidates to have second thoughts due to the massive rebuilding that will be required to make us competitive with them (which of course, is the standard here; we can't accept anything less).
I'm also fearful of an overreaction by the AD that may lead to a "quick fix" hire. I view Patterson as a quick fix hire because while he brings an exciting offense, in reality, with the players we have now, it will require another 3-4 years before he gets his players first before we can run the system (which means we have the spread option, then the pro-style, then the air-raid).
We need a guy that can get the most out of the current players and then transition to what he wants to do.
|1 week 6 days ago||Miles Should be #2 Behind Harbaugh||
I've never understood why there isn't more push for Miles to be the #2 guy. Maybe the administration just hates him, but it's a shame because Miles ticks virtually every single box we are looking for (proven experience, recruiting contacts in the south, love of Michigan) except the over-signing / academic angle, which can be explained by the fact that he's in the SEC West.
He should not be shrugged aside IMO. If we end up hiring a guy like Schiano, and it comes out we didn't really pursue MIles, then it's going to be deflating and I can't see the fan base staying loyal especially if Schiano / Brady Hoke like hire, start struggling off the gate.
It has to be said that the issues with Miles are purely personal and have nothing to do with the actual football program. That's not as bad as Harbaugh, who openly and publicly hurt MIchigan by criticizing the program's academic commitment. As much as we like to brush that aside right now, it is a serious transgression IMO and I don't blame Brandon for demanding an apology (if that's what happened). And it's silly to somehow justify what Harbaugh did by blaming Lloyd Carr for not hiring him as the QBs coach. You never, ever sandbag your own alma mater like that, and it puts more cold water on the idea that Harbaugh will "come home" (he obviously didn't care about said home when he made the comment). We haven't recruited anyone from CA in quite some time, and I'm sure the Harbaugh comment is still used against us.
|2 weeks 3 hours ago||The Alma Mater Argument is Overrated||
There's a certain romantic notion about a guy coming back to save his alma mater, but does it really matter? I'm just curious, which jobs (college and NFL), have been influenced by the "alma mater factor?" Les Miles wanting to come here. Anyone else?
|2 weeks 4 hours ago||Saban's Situation was Totally Different||
Did Saban have other NFL offers after his mediocre stint at Miami? Did Saban have to deal with academic and character requirements at Alabama. Did Saban have to deal having issues finding good players in his own backyard?
Let's try to see this from Harbaugh's perspective. Personally, I think Harbaugh has not completely closed the door on Michigan, but we're a backup for him now. If he gets multiple NFL offers (including the Giants), we are in trouble. If all he has is Oakland and the Michigan job, we have a better chance. Unfortunately, I have a feeling multiple NFL teams will want him.
|2 weeks 14 hours ago||What What You Do if You Were Harbaugh||
I hate to be a debbie downer here, but I think some of the irrational posts and desperation here needs to stop. We're starting to look like a bunch of overentitled crybabies who think we deserve everything when in fact there are serious problems with this program now. In short, we are turning into ND. Can we stop?
Instead of insisting that Harbaugh take our job, why not put yourself in Harbaugh's shoes. There's only one person that can decide to come to Michigan. It's not JIm Hackett, and it certainly isn't you.
Put yourself in Harbaugh's shoes. He's likely to have multiple NFL offers, not just from Oakland, but probably from the Giants and a probably another team. Look at the Michigan situation from his angle. It's the only one that matters. Without arguing about pros and cons, tell me, can you honestly say that Harbaugh would come to the conclusion that he should coach Michigan? I doubt that you can.