Det News Article "With 'Relentless Recruiting', AL, GA Build All-Star Teams"

Submitted by smotheringD on January 7th, 2022 at 6:51 AM

Paywalled piece.  At the risk of beating a dead horse, yet more ammunition for the rallying cry, "We gotta 'recruit' better!"

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/2022/01/07/relentless-recruiting-bama-uga-build-all-star-teams/9127140002/?utm_source=detroitnews-Daily%20Briefing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily_briefing&utm_term=list_article_headline&utm_content=1008DN-E-NLETTER65

A sample:  

After Georgia beat Florida in November, Bulldogs coach Kirby Smart was asked about the importance of recruiting. His response was both obvious and emphatic: “The best coach to ever play the game better be a good recruiter because no coaching is going to outcoach players," he said.

Smart and his mentor, Crimson Tide coach Nick Saban, have assembled the most star-studded teams —- recruiting stars, that is — in recent college football history. The Bulldogs and Tide have been so far out in front of most of the competition on the recruiting trail that they were practically too talented to fail this season.  Alabama and Georgia were not only Nos. 1 and 2 in the talent composite this season, but their rosters each received the highest scores ever recorded by the site.  

Of the 85 scholarship players listed on Alabama's roster to start the season, 74 were either four- or five-star recruits, including 14 five-stars. The Crimson Tide's score in the talent composite was 1.000.89.  Georgia had the most five-star recruits on its roster this season with 19, plus another 47 four-stars for a talent composite score of 1.000.79. Ohio State was third with a score of 985.89.

And if you never read the 2014 SBNation article, "Meet The Bag Man: 10 Rules for Paying College Football Players", that details how they do it, here you go:

https://www.bannersociety.com/2014/4/10/20703758/bag-man-paying-college-football-players

stephenrjking

January 7th, 2022 at 11:32 AM ^

There's no money for a G League in football. There's a lot of money in college football. Any practical basis for a minor football league that functioned by giving players a cut that they weren't otherwise getting went out the window with NIL; if A&M players are getting 7 figures, others are too, and no minor league can come close to that. 

HateSparty

January 7th, 2022 at 12:00 PM ^

I disagree.  There is money for a G-league if the NFL says that you can go there directly from high school for 2-3 years and then be draft eligible.  Quinn Ewers was given, in essence, a three year contract for $1.4 million.  Using the USFL model of 8 teams, if a Ewers is paid $750,000 a year and the scale adjusts up or down from there, you could say a team of 52 players times 8 at an average salary of say, $400,000 per player (likely higher than needed), you have a player salary base of $166 million.  Add in another $134 million for coaches and the crew and the total is $300 million.  All the best players being developed in this league.  For 10 weeks of games plus a three game playoff, what's reasonable for TV rights?  I'd guess the conversation begins at $750 million per year.  Jersey deals, gates, swag, beer and munchies, etc.?  $250 million?  That is all conservative.  It's hundreds of millions of dollars in profits.  Likely a billion.  The NFL would take it.  Plus, they control the games' rules, etc. so it feeds the product they are selling.  

I am missing the subtlety that leads to why they are not doing so, however the NIL and paying of players may be breaking some of those concerns down.  However, it would make money, lots of it, I believe.

bamf_16

January 7th, 2022 at 7:04 AM ^

Yep!

 

Tough to blame someone for looking at the NFL and seeing a more level playing field on which to compete. There’s a draft, player contracts, a salary cap, rules by and large evenly and equally applied to and by all.

 

In college, you have different schools doing things different ways for different reasons. When a retired NFL quarterback can publicly lure a college freshman to a different school with the promise of $1 million, yeah, things have changed and I can see where coaches like Harbaugh at schools like Michigan might now see the NFL as a more attractive option.

 

But before anyone heaps any sympathy on these coaches, remember that they did it to themselves. A Notre Dame assistant coach found out the head coach was leaving immediately after leaving a recruit’s living room.

 

To the players, I say, “Go get paid, men!” Michigan is well within its rights to restrict usage of the block M, to be more strict with transfer credits for kids in the portal, etc. But they can’t cry “woe is me” when the returned prodigal son finds greener pastures elsewhere and the top coaching candidates don’t see the same opportunity to win.

True Blue Grit

January 7th, 2022 at 7:12 AM ^

College football is still salvageable if somehow it was able to develop and enforce reasonable rules and limits on recruiting, poaching players from other teams, payments to players, etc.  But the only people capable of doing this are university presidents as a group.  Even then, you'd have to have some enforcement vehicle.  That's where it would breakdown. 

NJWolverine

January 7th, 2022 at 7:22 AM ^

If he can't tap the portal except for grad transfers or players from like minded or better schools, and if he has to bring in players who play school, then the NIL has to not only be top 5, but top 1-2 to make up for what AL and GA are doing.  Keep in mind, A&M, Texas, OSU, LSU, Oregon etc all want to win too.

The more I think about it, the more I get the feeling that this is real.  Even if he doesn't leave this year, he will leave in the not too distant future unless there is a clear NIL plan.  The gap is only going to grow wider without elite NIL to make up for all the other things we can't do but AL and GA can.  If the playoffs expand to 8 or 12, getting there will be easier and we'll in all likelihood only have to be the second best team in the BIG.  However, even if you consistently get there, getting thumped by AL/GA every time can wear on you. 

As much as we don't like each other, ND is in a very similar situation.  While we can laugh at Kelly for leaving, he does have a legitimate point about not being able to win a national championship at ND.  They (along with MSU and PSU) are trying to overcome shortcomings with elite recruiters as HCs, but that can only take you so fair.  In the world of NIL money talks, and you can't blame these players for wanting their fair share.

1VaBlue1

January 7th, 2022 at 7:24 AM ^

None of this is new.  It comes back to what Jimbo Fisher said back in Nov (I think), 'we've always done this, its just legal now' (or something like that).  I mean, he admitted straight on that he cheated in years past.  If you're surprised that bagmen exist, or used to exist, and that NIL is taking over so quickly with mature networks (T A&M, UT, UGA, etc), then your head has been covered in sand.

LDNfan

January 7th, 2022 at 9:17 AM ^

The dynamics have changed with NIL..denying that is the equivalent of head covered in sand. I mean, the No. 1 recruit in the country flipped from Florida State to a Jackson State...That should have sent shockwaves through CFB bec there is NO way that happens pre-NIL. And now Charlie Batch (who? to most in the world of CFB) is trying to buy top tiered talent for Eastern Michigan...and after Travis Hunter...you can't even think he's completely crazy. 

Buy Bushwood

January 7th, 2022 at 10:32 AM ^

Michigan has never been on probation or even meaningfully investigated for recruiting violations in football.  Some schools, mostly southern schools, but some others, have incurred probation multiple times over decades.  I don't believe that the refrain "it's always been this way" applies to some schools, and it's used as a smoke-screen by moral bottom feeders. Some programs have historically played by the rules, and when Jimbo Fisher uses that excuse, it's just to excuse his choice to pursue an illegitimate path in the past. To me, what's happened is an increasing lack of enforcement by the NCAA, which has led to an unprecedented level of recruiting brazenness from a handful of schools, to their great successes on the field.  

I knew the NCAA was utterly dead as an enforcement body when Tressel essentially got away with lying in document filings. Both the NCAA and OSU seemed poised to do almost nothing, and Gordon Gee's famous "(aw shucks) I just hope the coach doesn't fire me", was one of the most vacuous moments of leadership I've ever seen, and was a seminal moment in my view of the NCAA's degeneration. A head coach filed documents that knowingly lied to his regulatory body.  That is something that lands people in other industries in jail.

You don't just step in to the GA football program, not really a historical elite, and suddenly pick any player you want like you're in a candy shop, without something untoward going on.  But not a peep of interest from the NCAA. Now the college football landscape looks something like a corrupt banana republic, with all the wealth concentrated in a few corrupt hands, morsels for everyone else, and a disinterest and apathy from the public. They've essentially ruined a very unique product with no real salvation in sight, and not even any talk of a need to resurrect it.  At this point, I'd be happy to see an NFL minor league emerge for the many, many kids who aren't interested in playing student.  

BleedThatBlue

January 7th, 2022 at 7:44 AM ^

I’m genuinely curious. CFB fans know about bagmen far and wide. So, why is it when it’s now legal, UM still hasn’t come up with anything? Are they nervous about sanctions? Is it a holier than thou thought? I don’t get why they wouldn’t want to set something up in order to attract elite level recruits. Please elaborate what I am missing. 
 

I do think Michigan is at a crossroad right now. I think this is why Harbaugh is “entertaining” the NFL. If Harbaugh leaves, the indication, like most, will assume it’s because the lack of help from the university to get top tier recruits to build a championship caliber team. 

Ghost of Fritz…

January 7th, 2022 at 8:26 AM ^

Educated guess on why Michigan is not in the cutting edge of NIL programs...

1.  Just as a matter of culture, the University and Athletic Dept. have been behind the curve for a long time, slow to react to a series of changes in CFB since 2000, and really is reactive and not proactive to every change that develops in the CFB landscape.  And the NIL is a huge change.  For those who thought, 'yeah, NIL!  Michigan has a money canon!'  ya gotta remember that having a money canon and using it in every way theoretically imaginable are different things.  

2.  There, are in fact, issues with doing it in a legal way.  NCAA standards prohibit turning NIL into 'pay for play.' 

The way this thing is supposed to work is that college athletes are freed from the former rules that barred them from profiting from name and likeness.  The way it is/will really work at the 'win at all costs' places is just as an amped-up and open bagman system.  Boosters will provide $$$, the football team will tell them which top 100 players to go after, and those recruits/players will be offered contracts and dollars that wildly overpay for the true market value of their image and likeness. 

This is pay-to-play, full stop.  Many will say 'so what? players should get a slice of the billion dollar pie.'  Perhaps.  But running it that way is, in fact, a clear violation of NCAA standards on NILs.  And Michigan (University and AD) is not going to be among the very first to jump in the pool on such obvious NCAA rule violations.

TL;DR--The places that long ago decided that they really embrace a 'win at all costs' approach are obviously going to be the more aggressive first movers in NILs, to the point of blatantly and obviously violationing NCAA standards (which the NCAA does not have the will or capacity to enforce).  As CFB evolved post-2000, Michigan really has consistently had a 'win at many/most, but not all, costs' culture.  So no way Michigan was going to be among the first to adopt the Texas A&M model... 

R. J. MacReady

January 7th, 2022 at 7:47 AM ^

If our alma mater wants to continue the prestigious mindset of ‘we are above paying college players’, then be ready for unsatisfied alum, fan base, and players/coaches.  You can’t attract the ‘best’ if you want them to compete with 1 hand tied behind their back.  

Toby Flenderson

January 7th, 2022 at 7:53 AM ^

Yup. 
 

This is what people mean when they say “Michigan Arrogance”. Michigan admin and the old heads would rather stick to some antiquated view of how college sports should be, rather than what it has become. 
 

Even if Michigan admin will not change transfer rules, it would be ridiculous for them not to agree to NIL support. 

1VaBlue1

January 7th, 2022 at 8:14 AM ^

The question I have is whether Warde Manuel is a good enough administrator and big enough personality to bring Michigan athletics into this new world.  Especially if the school administration fights against it.  I mean, he Jim MF'in Harbaugh isn't enough pull to backstop Manuel in this effort, no coach will ever be able to bring Michigan into modern times.  If Manuel, backed by Harbaugh and Juwan F'in Howard, can't do this, competitive football and basketball in Ann Arbor has just reached its apex and will never get there again.

And honestly, I don't know that Manuel is up to the task.  I hope I'm wrong.

Romulan Commander

January 7th, 2022 at 9:24 AM ^

The Administration is in transition with Schlissel set to step down in 2023. Those who might resist a more vigorous NIL program in the athletic department are distracted by the Presidential search process and all the details and changes in organizational alignment that inevitably follow. That could present an opportunity for Manuel if he is willing and able to take it. 

itauditbill

January 7th, 2022 at 8:17 AM ^

I said to my wife during the Georgia game, "This sucks..." no, what I stated was that if in the next 2-3 years Michigan does not fully embrace the NIL rules (and probably sooner) then this is it, this is as good as it gets. The talent difference on the field was so huge that perhaps if Michigan had come up with some better schemes (newer stuff) they might have kept it closer, but I doubt it.

 

funkywolve

January 7th, 2022 at 8:19 AM ^

Everyone seems to be taking their frustration out on the University for the NIL program, but is there anything stopping Harbaugh from setting it up?

Couldn't he hire someone whose sole job is getting NIL opportunities for the players?  They have strength coaches, recruiting coordinators, etc.  Hire someone/multiple people who are NIL coordinators.

funkywolve

January 7th, 2022 at 9:03 PM ^

Do you really think A&M, Georgia, Bama, etc. boosters are going out and offering mega NIL deals to any recruit?  There are in close consultation with the football program as to which recruits to focus on and how high a priority a recruit is.  

I'm guessing there's a lot more communication they we know.  If A&M booster offers a recruit X, but recruit says Bama is offering X+Y, the booster is probably going back to the A&M football program to see if they should increase their offer and if so, by how much.  It's really no different than the pros during free agency when agents are vetting different teams to see what they are offering.

You don't think the head coach of the football program is also essentially a GM?  Harbaugh is going on recruiting visits, texting recruits, talking to recruits, etc.  Now there is an assistant coach who is the primary point of contact but Harbaugh if needed is the closer and should be heavily involved in who is being recruited and what is going on with the recruiting class.  NIL just up'd the ante in that now the head coach/football program need to be factoring how much money to invest in a recruit.

4roses

January 7th, 2022 at 8:35 AM ^

This is a perfect example of why I stopped reading the News and Freep and will gladly pay for the Athletic. A listing of well-known information, conventional wisdom as analysis, and a few played-out, boring coach quotes thrown in for good measure. Who reads that article and comes away feeling like they have learned something and are more informed? 

Wolverine 73

January 7th, 2022 at 9:30 AM ^

Guess OSU wasn’t “too talented to fail” (twice) despite having the third ranked roster.  And Alabama lost a game and almost lost a couple more—and would have if that Auburn player hadn’t gone out of bounds and saved them a time out.   So, sure, having better players is a huge advantage.  But it isn’t insurmountable.  And yes, the system seems unfair.  But until the people running the sport start to suffer financially, it seems unlikely they will change it much.  Now, if people stop showing up for games in person, or more people stop watching all-SEC playoff games . . . 

jhayes1189

January 7th, 2022 at 10:14 AM ^

It’s about as close to insurmountable as it gets, to say it’s not insurmountable is a lazy take. You cannot compare playoff games to mid-season conference games…when you give a roster with that much talent (Bama, UGA) 1 month to prepare when national champ stakes are on the line (meaning no one sits out or doesn’t play inspired), your chances of winning as a top 15 talented team against a top 3 talented team go way down. You aren’t going to catch those teams sleeping or uninspired like Bama may have been caught a few times this year (I question if they basically sandbagged much of the season to prep for Georgia? Sure did seem like by the way they comparatively played in those games, much like our situation against OSU in 2018) 

You can’t compare Alabama’s near losses to the way they play and prepare in the playoffs, you just can’t. Would you compare our 7 point victory over Rutgers to our focus the last 3 B1G games of the year on our B1G champ run? 
 

The thing is, if Michigan does make the playoffs again, their only hope to get to the championship game is to play a team like Cincy or Notre Dame, and just hope when they get to the champ game that Alabama/Georgia wasted all their extra practice time prepping for their semi-final game and had to scramble to prep for Michigan in the final game. 
 

The UGA game showed we need to get with the program in recruiting/NIL or we are destined to be second tier. That means we also won’t ever be able to hire the competitors as coaches (like Harbaugh), because all those best and most motivated guys will want to coach at the schools that actually try to win it all on a yearly basis, or they will go to the NFL where the playing field is even and rules are enforced to keep it that way. 

LabattsBleu

January 7th, 2022 at 10:54 AM ^

Recruiting has always been about probability.

you can have all the talent in the world and still get upset, but how often does that actually happen?

All one has to do is look at playoff appearance and which schools have dominated that. Sure a few schools have broken through and made appearances over the years, and they have been smoked in the semi finals, just like Michigan

The closest margin of victory for the interlopers was 17 points by Washington.

Talent matters. OSU has the talent to get into the playoffs every season. Whether Day can beat the other coaches is another question.

Bo Harbaugh

January 7th, 2022 at 9:44 AM ^

Too much money to be lost here.  AD better get on it or we will be Northwestern, except with an empty 100K capacity stadium.  And it's happening fast!

Say goodbye to that easy suckers $ for 10-3 seasons, as soon it will be 5-7.

Quail2theVict0r

January 7th, 2022 at 9:47 AM ^

Whenever this conversation comes up I think it's important to make the distinction between top 100 recruits and "four star recruits". Using the term "four star recruits" treats them all as equals when we know the probability of success is not. Georgia's roster had 40 top 100 recruits on it. Michigan's had 7. And that's the easiest way to describe why we lost. Michigan's recruiting is fine, but it's not elite (even if we rank inside the top 15). Michigan isn't going to win a national title, or compete for them, unless we stockpile top 100 recruits like Alabama, Georgia, OSU, Clemson, LSU...the only teams to have actually won one of these things in the playoff era. 

Eye of the Tiger

January 7th, 2022 at 11:06 AM ^

This could have been solved by allowing FBS schools to give scholarship players a stipend, like PhD candidates receive. In the latter case, it’s given in exchange for labor (working as TAs or as RAs in labs or on grants) that is seen as beneficial to the university. 

But resistance to the idea of paying players has led to a situation where a few programs do pay players, and reap the benefits in recruiting, and the rest don’t. 

Guess it wouldn’t be the NCAA if they didn’t prefer convoluted and poorly designed solutions to simple problems…

DonAZ

January 7th, 2022 at 1:28 PM ^

Let's assume they came up with a pay scale for players.  For the sake of argument, let's say it was $3K a month.  Don't you think the Alabamas and Georgias would then start offering -- under the table -- sweeteners to that $3K to get the top talent to come to them?  It would be the old process reborn, just with the veneer of a "pay the players."

I truly don't like being this cynical.  But that's the reality of things.