More B1G expansion talks
It was reported yesterday that Oregon and Washington had applied to be part of the Big Ten yesterday. Seems like Big Ten is going to make the decision on future adds based on how talks with ND go (as in ND + 1 or ND +3 or no ND and B1G looks at more PAC 12 and ACC schools). ND makes a lot of sense in terms of geography and rivalries and would also add another huge alumni fan base and possibly more TV deals on NBC.
Fuck ND.
That is all.
Forever and always
This would make the CJ Carr commitment all the more irritating. Its one thing for him to leave Michigan never to be heard from again but having to play him is maddening.
Best of luck to the young man but why not knock him on his ass one day a year?
Do you really think we can keep up with ND with they way they are recruiting compared to us?
Let's revisit Notre Dames recruiting prowess after Freeman's first year of coaching
Life sucks. You should give up. We all should.
Yeah dude. Everyone said the same shit about us with Brady hoke. Wait til freeman actually has to coach a game. He got out-coached by Gundy with a DC that had his foot out the door.
Knowles didn’t coach that game
Their last game was I dunno. Ours was the playoff. We have time to correct course. Lets not anoint him just yet. Everyone of these new coaches has a chance to be the next Hoke.
And if its Oregon then there's Dante Moore....
Selfishly, I don't want Oregon in..rather they get left out and Dante has a change of heart.
Disagree. It gives us the opportunity to show him he made a bad decision. I would say this about any recruit who picked ND over us.
I couldn't agree with Fuck ND more.
That's why I'm torn...ND to B1G makes so much sense and would obviously greatly benefit everyone involved. But, I am also rooting against it. I have realized my desire to see them fade into irrelevance exceeds my desire to get to play them more often (which would be awesome). The more these conferences grow, the less ND will matter if they remain unaffiliated (I am aware of the semi-affiliation with the ACC), and that makes me super happy.
I actually want to see us outclass the SEC more than I hate ND. Not only that, but much of what I hate about ND goes by the boards if they have to shut up, sh*tcan the lame independent hoohoo, and just be another team in an enormous conference. Prima donna no more--I say bring it.
I want ND to join the B1G and then fade into irrelevance.
The longer this mega conference competition goes, the higher ND’s stock goes.
I think they’d be a great addition to the B1G from a ratings, revenue, geography, tradition, and cache standpoint. Buuut…narcissism. It makes for a terrible partner. Trust me on this.
I don’t see them being a good fit in the SEC; seems to me that their natural place is the B1G. Maybe the best thing to hope for is that hubris and overextending their hand leaves them without a date a week before prom, and the conference negotiates skillfully. Otherwise, we could regret ever talking to them.
D MFs D
Methinks they are in the frying pan now. Bo said it best.
Yeah. ND can fuck itself. Just go play Wake Forest and GaTech for the rest of your over-hyped lives.
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I hope ND says "no thanks" to the B1G. I want nothing to do with them. One foot in the ACC and one foot in NBC - keep it that way. To Hell with Notre Dame.
Notre dame isn't as important of a piece as some are making them out to be. I would leave them out and establish footprints in Florida, Virginia, Atlanta, Tennessee, Texas, Missouri, Colorado, Arizona Oregon and the Bay area. Then, sprinkle in some basketball blue bloods like UNC, Duke and Kansas. The Irish and everyone else will be begging us to join.
The way to do that is play them and beat the crap out of them, preferably every single time! and frequently! Presumably the way to make that happen would be to require ND to play M frequently and show why they are the lesser program.
Agree - phuck Notre Shame. I want to stomp OSU and MSU every year but at least I have some respect for those rivalries. With ND - it's just pure hate. The most arrogant a-holes out there - they think their shit doesn't stink.
Notre Dame can rot in hell. I loathe the thought of begging the prima donna of college football to join and bowing to all of their special exceptions they would require.
Gladly take Oregon & Washington.
Living in the pacific northwest, this would make me very happy.
Same.
I would accept ND if they were willing to drop their semi Indy status and had equal footing with other conference schools. But I have no interest in pussyfooting around with unique carve out exemptions.
But as a Portland resident, I'm strongly in favor of seeing Michigan play in Oregon and Washington every few years.
That is all.
^^^^ THIS ^^^^
Oregon and Washington, assuming we have to keep this manifest destiny going, at least add brand new markets to the BigTen footprint unlike Notre Dame.
Make Notre Dame play all their games on the road for two years. Payback is hell.
Fuck Notre Dame.
Isn’t ND tied to that ACC ironclad contract that runs for like 10 more years?
If so, the Big Ten will be waiting on the Irish for a long ass time.
They ACC won't exist that long.
Why won't the ACC exist? If their Grant Of Rights is strong enough to keep Clemson and FSU from joining the SEC....then it seems like they can survive (albeit with less money than B1G or SEC). If Clemson and FSU make the jump...then all bets are off. It'll be interesting to see how strong the GOR is.
My preference, in the tradition of "to hell with Notre Dame" would be to pick up Oregon and Washington in the West and UNC and UVA in the East. That would give the B1G additional coast-to-coast coverage...along with four of the top five public schools in the country.
The discussion of ACC schools gets circular very fast. Nobody can leave because of the grant of rights, but if there are public signals that defections are imminent, then the grant of rights doesn't matter because there's diminishing revenue in the conference.
I think the ACC member schools with clout will see the writing on the wall in the next 2 months and the lawyers will get together to create an out for schools that want to leave. The $ schools can undermine the value of the ACC very easily through words. After that, it's in everyone's interest to negotiate. There may be a short-term penalty for them, but for the NDs and Clemsons it is a no brainer to get out ASAP.
ACC won’t exist because they’re (likely) going to be cannibalized by the SEC and possibly the B1G.
There’s really nothing the ACC can do to keep up with the B1G and SEC. So is it not more likely that schools like Clemson, FSU and Miami will panic and beg to be let into the SEC to avoid being left out of the football power struggle?
GOR loses it’s power with multiple teams trying to leave
Exactly.
The SEC and B16 now own college football or call it the birth of the "Big 2". This is just the beginning.
These two alliances can dictate whatever the hell they want. Most likely is holding their own CFP playoff where they keep all of the money, dictate who gets into the CFP. To add, they will seize the best talent, best coaches, and unworldly television contracts. They control the money and they cortrol the game. These two conferences will be powerful enough to tell the NCAA to fuck-off.
Now if Clemson, FSU, Miami etc want to be loyal to the GOR & play their games on ESPN+ with an opportunity to go to the Denny's Palmetto Bowl more power to them, but that ain't happening. They'll hi-jack a lifeboat at gunpoint at their first opportunity.
Yeah I don’t really envision a scenario where those three schools specifically are okay being left out. Without those three, the ACC becomes irrelevant (in football) and GOR folds as the remaining schools try into find some semblance of relevancy in the new landscape.
Schools like Duke and UNC will receive interest, while schools like Syracuse and Wake Forest fall back to irrelevance. But it’s hard to envision the ACC making it out of this alive if the B16 and SEC continue this bidding war.
Back to the OP, Fuck Notre Dame and Fuck the NCAA. Rather B1G control it than them
Then let Notre Dame beg the SEC for admission.
The rumors are that they are not but no casual fan knows for sure
F Notre Dame. Why even give them the preference. They clearly don’t want to be in a competitive conference anyway.
B1G should only allow ND to join the conference if they promise to get rid of their fucking mascot. I swear I've never wanted to punch anyone more in my entire life.
Pete Finebaum
Ahhhh. Good call. Forgot about him. Ok, I've never met two people I wanted to punch more...
Wait for it....
Ok, fine. Three people...
I hate ND as much as the next guy, but I would love to see them in the Big 10 and reduced to mediocrity like Nebraska by having to play a lot more tough competition instead of 2 or 3 good teams each year.
No thanks, I’d pass on ND. No reason what so ever to give them a competitive advantage. I say let them go down with the sinking ship that is the ACC
I feel your sentiment, but they lose any advantage by having to play an actual tough schedule each year and will be exposed for the frauds they are. They would a perennial 6 win team from then on.
ND playing OSU, PSU and UoM every year would be a glorious three losses to enjoy watching.