JUB Update on Harbaugh to NFL rumors
January 2nd, 2023 at 11:30 PM ^
January 2nd, 2023 at 11:34 PM ^
January 2nd, 2023 at 11:36 PM ^
And there goes the 2024 recruiting class.
January 2nd, 2023 at 11:39 PM ^
Usually see a recruiting uptick with new coaches.
January 3rd, 2023 at 6:18 AM ^
You also typically see a bunch of decommitments and transfers right away.
January 3rd, 2023 at 7:46 AM ^
With the transfer portal, HS recruiting isn't as important as it used to be. OL LaDarius Henderson, LB Ernest Hausmann, OL Myles Henderson, OL Drake Nugent, LB Josaiah Stewart, QB Jack Tuttle, & TE AJ Barner are instant contributors. Comparing the transfers in and the transfers out, Michigan is coming out ahead.
January 3rd, 2023 at 11:52 AM ^
You still have to build the foundation with recruits…the important players on this team will be homegrown recruits, you fill out holes with guys from the transfer portal.
January 3rd, 2023 at 9:20 AM ^
A lot of that can be minimized with an internal hire.
January 3rd, 2023 at 11:52 AM ^
NO!!!!
January 3rd, 2023 at 12:24 PM ^
It really is impressive how Michigan has absolutely squandered two of the best seasons in recent program history. Reach CFB's final four and it has the same recruiting impact as going 7-5.
January 3rd, 2023 at 12:58 PM ^
I'd say we've failed to capitalize as hoped in recruiting, but that otherwise--as a global statement--yours is a ridiculously awful take. But I urge everyone else who has a predisposition to negativity to like it!
January 3rd, 2023 at 12:59 PM ^
It takes a special talent and desire to take the nice things from this fan base and step on them. It is amazing how nothing seems to just go well for any length of time. Yes, we get a good year and then the rug is pulled.
January 4th, 2023 at 10:13 AM ^
Any recruits that have watched the last 2 playoff games cant be impressed. Hate to say it but losing to TCU and looking like complete shit while doing it hurt recruiting.
January 2nd, 2023 at 11:57 PM ^
Day one......
January 3rd, 2023 at 9:40 AM ^
...for this cycle
January 3rd, 2023 at 11:04 AM ^
Can't wait for day 40
January 2nd, 2023 at 11:46 PM ^
Reading between the lines, sounds like Harbaugh isn't a fan of stuff like the portal, the B1G developing a national footprint, and how NIL has played out across CFB.
Reading further between the lines, the guy really does seem to value a Super Bowl ring more than winning the natty at his alma mater. At 59, he realizes that he's got 10 years tops since Bruce Arians won the SB when he was 69.
January 3rd, 2023 at 12:21 AM ^
Imagine being at the very top of your profession and having the luxury of choosing between a very volatile, unbalanced, wild west work environment with toxic colleagues operating outside an unwritten code of conduct because nobody can even agree on that or one with more structured guidelines, better PTO options, more stable culture, facilities that weren't built in 1930, and not having to deal with the whims of 17 and 18 year olds.
I'm taking the second one 100 times out of 100.
January 3rd, 2023 at 9:16 AM ^
Yes when you put it that way and what college football has become I understand it
January 3rd, 2023 at 9:58 AM ^
Plus recruiting must be so time consuming for coaches. In the NFL, you have your scouts, talent evaluators, Director of Player Personnel. As a coach you have input but you're not flying around the country to visit potential prospects in their homes.
Being a pro coach has to be a much better quality of home life for the family.
January 3rd, 2023 at 6:03 AM ^
Harbaugh was the one who proposed giving players a one-time free transfer opportunity. Harbaugh supports NIL opportunities for players. So what are we talking about exactly?
January 3rd, 2023 at 6:54 AM ^
Indeed. thethirdcoast wrote:
"... sounds like Harbaugh isn't a fan of stuff like the portal, the B1G developing a national footprint, and how NIL has played out across CFB ..."
I'm not sure how that conclusion was reached.
The portal decreases the importance of HS recruiting and NIL, at least in theory, allows Michigan to keep up with the Bag Man schools like Georgia and OSU. Good, right?
I don't see how the expansion would factor in to the decision.
January 3rd, 2023 at 8:14 AM ^
The spirit of NIL is a lot different from what is alleged to be happening and even what is advocated by some message board posters on this site.
JH has stated that he thinks the college football experience should be transformational and not transactional. Personally, I agree.
Put some kids name and/or picture on a game box or a jersey, they should get a cut.That's a far cry from promising mega dollars to HS recruits during the recruiting process or the let's pay Corum and others $1 million dollars to forego the NFL draft advocates.
Say what you will about the NCAA, but there needs to be some type of enforcement body and some consistent rules that all must adhere to.
Otherwise, if you are just going to throw money around at players, the whole nature of college football at this level changes dramatically and becomes more like professional football. At that point, why not just coach in the NFL, the pinnacle of the sport?
Personally, I hope he stays at Michigan. I think he's a helluva coach and I suspect he loves the school and raising his family in Ann Arbor. I think he's an important voice in the sport and can continue to be an important advocate for fairness and sanity in college football. Losing JH to the NFL will be a loss for more than just the University of Michigan.
January 3rd, 2023 at 12:52 PM ^
USC and UCLA joining the conference. The Big Ten, and college football on extension, is unrecognizable now. However, he still would have one more year in the current alignment and with a stacked roster, plus they could let everyone know Moore is the coach-in-waiting.
Totally get why he would be tempted to leave after next season, but the NFL works on its own timetable.
January 3rd, 2023 at 9:10 AM ^
Reading between the lines is Moeike he built program to be among elite the next few years and has JJ and a real shot to win it all vs going to the unknown of NFL. I say one more year then we bring in Poggi
January 3rd, 2023 at 12:27 PM ^
What the hell is this infatuation with Biff Poggi? Dude has even less experience than Sherrone Moore and is almost twice his age!!!
January 3rd, 2023 at 9:14 AM ^
"Reading between the lines, sounds like Harbaugh isn't a fan of stuff like the portal, the B1G developing a national footprint, and how NIL has played out across CFB."
If true, does that sound like anyone else we know just in a different sport? Man, if this isn't the same sentiment from Harbaugh that John Beilein had I don't know what is.
January 3rd, 2023 at 10:24 AM ^
If something did change very recently, to me, reading between the lines, it sounds like he is tired of getting boned by incompetence (at best) in the biggest games. We saw how much the 2016 OSU reffing debacle took out of him. He is the ultimate competitor, and if he feels that the deck is stacked against him (or that good efforts can be undone by not having professional refs calling games), be might find it too draining or not worth the effort.
We did not play our best game in the Fiesta, but it was enough if the Wilson TD was upheld. That might be too much for Jim to take.
January 2nd, 2023 at 11:56 PM ^
- possibility
- could
- NOTHING FINAL
- IF
Maybe it’s just me, but this seems like a CYA tweet given the lack of actual details. Assuming JH stays, it’s not even wrong, otherwise JUB can say that warned us.
January 3rd, 2023 at 7:54 AM ^
exactly....
there might be a lot behind these rumors.... and if there is, he might be ready to leave....
of course that implies there might be nothing to these rumors and he may not be ready to leave at all...
January 2nd, 2023 at 11:57 PM ^
Hmmm…he was in favor of the transfer rule and NIL…so maybe it’s the wider hash marks?
January 3rd, 2023 at 2:50 AM ^
Yes he was, but NIL is being abused and teams are breaking what rules there are because of no NCAA oversight or enforcement. NIL without rules would be like trying to compete in the pros without salary caps. The rich teams would win all the time. That has already been happening in college (bag men) but NIL is far worse.
Officiating is a joke from conference to conference as well. Recruiting is unfair. Scholarship limits no longer apply.
In the pros, in addition to team salary caps and salary guidelines, officiating is professional and standardized. And, instead of unfair recruiting you have a draft and tampering rules that are enforced. Why deal with a corrupt and out of control unfair college system when you can complete fairly in the pros.
January 3rd, 2023 at 6:50 AM ^
Maybe the fact that you can go 13-1 and it feels like a failed season and you start over.
Where as the Lions (for example) can go 9-8, miss the playoffs...and it'll feel like they're building something. Same with the Jags if they lose on Saturday. You go back to work the next day and get ready for the draft and everyone is playing in the same system.
I'm making this up, obviously, but if it's not those other things. The CFP and the overall format of college football feel like the next best guess.
He took the loss harder than all of us, he needs to take a breath, remember that the 12 team CFP is coming...and he's got a program that should be in it, regardless of the outcome of one game at the end of the regular season.
And I get there's more roster turnover, but next year he's actually got his nucleus returning. Stay next year, stay for year one of the expanded CFP and see how it feels...then make your decision, the NFL will still be there. It's not like he won't he a hot name, Michigan could win a national championship next year, we'll be a Top 3 team, no question.
...this feels so much like Beilein. I wish John would reach out to him.
January 3rd, 2023 at 7:48 AM ^
It only feels like a failed season to entitled idiots. But--yes--there do seem to be a lot of them. Reaching the college championship playoff two years in a row is an enormous professional attainment, but anonymous schmoes like us sit in ramshackle dwellings cursing him; it's an objectively dumb phenomenon.
He's achieved at this level; zero guarantee to anyone that they win it all--it's like the NCAAs, where getting to the Final Four is what it's all about. Go to the NFL, OTOH, he can much more narrowly focus on the stuff that he really likes, get away from the growing toxicity and basic unfairness of the semi-pro game that college ball has become.
After years of being quite engrossed, I'm starting to feel like I'm over it, and I suspect that I'm not the only one.
January 3rd, 2023 at 8:01 AM ^
I absolutely do not feel like I’m over it, but Harbaugh might. Frankly his preparation for the Playoff the last two seasons has been lackluster, as was bowl prep before that. Michigan would be a hell of a job for another coach to take over right now and I’m guessing they could get quite a replacement for him at this point. It may be that his heart is not in it to truly get Michigan into the elite class of Playoff contenders. If that’s the case now would be a good time to go. His tenure at Michigan right now has been a raging success and perhaps now would be the right time to split. He certainly would be leaving things in a lot better condition than he found them.
January 3rd, 2023 at 11:00 AM ^
How could you possibly know his preparation was lackluster? That’s just crazy talk. The man is obsessed with football. He wins the B1G and says “nah, I’m good”? Not buying. What do any of us know about what goes on behind the scenes and how the staff spends its days?
Losing to TCU doesn’t mean we didn’t give it our best shot, and Harbaugh isn’t the one who threw pick sixes and overturned TD calls.
January 3rd, 2023 at 11:36 AM ^
I say the preparation was lackluster because the preparation was clearly lackluster. No way this team should have lost to TCU.
Harbaugh played at Michigan when OSU was the Super Bowl. The post-season was much different and maybe that is what he means by tired of “college football itself.”
Unless you are arguing that his CFP performance and bowl performance has been good and in that case I just don’t know what to tell you.
January 4th, 2023 at 10:34 AM ^
Agreed. They should not have lost to TCU- a first time playoff team with a first year coach.
That 4th down play call on the opening drive was the tone setter that night, IMO. Edwards busted out of the gate to get them in scoring range and the coaches gave the offense a full can of gasoline to take to the fire pit. They never recovered.
BTW I'm staying out of the Harbaugh to NFL stuff, but all I'm going to say is those 2 JJ passes are touchdowns in the NFL. Theyre not down at the 1 yard line. Again, just another example how everything that could go wrong did go wrong.
January 3rd, 2023 at 12:45 PM ^
I agree. Nobody knows shit about the preparation, just because the kids didn’t play well doesn’t mean they didn’t prep! That’s the dumbest statement and there have been plenty of dumb statements in the past week.
January 3rd, 2023 at 1:52 PM ^
Right there with you, globules. College football's juice increasingly isn't worth the squeeze for many erstwhile fans.
January 3rd, 2023 at 7:52 AM ^
It is very different than Beilein in that Harbaugh is much more likely to be successful in the NFL than Beilein and he knows exactly what he is getting into.
January 3rd, 2023 at 7:56 AM ^
Huge difference between Harbaugh and Beilein. Harbaugh was a 14 year pro and knows how to deal with pros. Beilein was a college lifer who was unaccustomed to deal with pros and tried to coach them as he would coach college players.
January 3rd, 2023 at 9:19 AM ^
He was in favor of a one time transfer. Not a free agent transfer portal where kids play for 5 different schools in their collegiate career
January 3rd, 2023 at 12:27 AM ^
I always thought the Vikings were a weird fit with their ownership group. The Broncos and Colts both seem like teams that will give Harbaugh everything he wants to coach their teams.
January 3rd, 2023 at 6:52 AM ^
I think the Colts make sense...the Broncos, I think he and Russell Wilson fight by week 2.
January 3rd, 2023 at 12:00 PM ^
Neither makes sense if winning is important. Indy is years away from being anywhere close to good and Denver is in equally bad shape.
January 3rd, 2023 at 6:44 AM ^
I'm wondering if Mike Leach suddenly passing has had any impact on Harbaugh potentially deciding to return to the NFL. Basically a "nobody knows when they'll go, if I'm gonna do this I just need to do it."
January 3rd, 2023 at 8:16 AM ^
"...but his growing frustration with college football itself."
So he's tired of losing to teams with less overall talent because he has to game plan for them instead of just running a generic scheme?
I mean, I don't even know what else to say! He caused the portal, he's okay with NIL, he has complete control of his team and staff, makes more money than most coaches... If he's tired of "college football itself", then he's tired of working to beat teams with obvious inferior talent. Well, sorry about that - but even NFL teams have to work to beat worse teams!
At this point, if he wants to go, just fucking go. If there's no NFL job then just retire. Jim - if you're tired of college football itself, just go. I'd love to have you back, but your heart doesn't seem into this...
January 3rd, 2023 at 9:02 AM ^
Agreed, if he's even looking after the assurances he gave last year, he needs to be gone. Just can't keep doing this. Need someone with Brady Hoke's desire to be at UM and Harbaugh's football brain. I'm sure that's easy enough to find.
January 3rd, 2023 at 9:42 AM ^
Maybe he should of hired a coordinator just for the red zone …