Why Are People Defending Hoke?

Submitted by 303john on

I for the life of me don't see him staying.. 

 

From Marcus defending him and Jon Jansen defending him today on his podcast..

 

 

Is it the Carr faction grasping at straws?? 

 

On a side note did anyone listen to Marcus Ray this morning? 

 

He basiclly called Hoke out when he was stating OSU out coached MSU..

 

 

Amazing.

MileHighWolverine

November 12th, 2014 at 3:44 PM ^

"Why is it wrong to defend him if they feel he is the right coach?"

Because to most observers there is zero evidence to support he is "the right coach"....on any level. The list of his failures is too long and well known to rehash again and the only success he can point to is the following short list:

1. Nice guy

2. Recruiting prowess

Those two are not enough to get the job done unfortunately. So, when players defend him you have to wonder what is going on behind the scenes because there is almost no unbiased rationale for defending him at this point.

MayOhioEatTurds

November 12th, 2014 at 3:59 PM ^

Some would argue Hoke is losing recruits because he's losing games, not "only" because "his job is being questioned." 

Losing recruits and losing his job are related, of course:  They are both direct consequences of losing games.  In particular, losing more games each year.  

But lost games is the confounding variable you were looking for.  It makes sense out of all the data you're wrestling with. 

Soulfire21

November 12th, 2014 at 3:28 PM ^

Do you see how much the current players support him?  He's a supportable guy, I'm sure, if you played for him.  He's tough, very kind, cares deeply about his players, etc.

Of course, when it comes down to it, his football teams don't win games.

Sllepy81

November 12th, 2014 at 3:32 PM ^

if he pulled his head out of ass and fired a few assistants, exact same situation as RROD, ok to good leader but not aware of his coaches surrounding him failing to do their jobs. We allknow he doesnt call the plays, hes a cheerleader and recruiter which im fine with if he has a good staff under him, he doesnt. He should be cutting coaches loose under him now to save his job but he will leave like RRod did, unaware of his issues.

Yeoman

November 12th, 2014 at 9:23 PM ^

...I've always thought that if RR had fired one less assistant, had let Shafer do his job and told the position coaches to stop acting like children and get on board, the whole story would have turned out differently.

His Dudeness

November 12th, 2014 at 3:33 PM ^

Sometimes there's a man... I won't say a hero, 'cause, what's a hero? But sometimes, there's a man. And I'm talkin' about the Hoke here. Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's the Hoke, in Ann Arbor.

And even if he's a lazy man - and the Hoke was most certainly that. Quite possibly the laziest in Washtenaw County, which would place him high in the runnin' for laziest worldwide.

But sometimes there's a man, sometimes, there's a man. Aw. I lost my train of thought here. But... aw, hell. I've done introduced him enough.

Yostbound and Down

November 12th, 2014 at 3:36 PM ^

Of course these athletes are/were already more fiercely competitive and loyal than the average person so that has a lot to do with it too. This is a similar attitude in police, military, firefighting etc. Why do you think coaches love war metaphors? They are in the foxhole with Hoke, ride or die, etc. (insert additional cliches).

wesq

November 12th, 2014 at 3:44 PM ^

The same reason people defended RR, they feel like we may be dumping the guy a year early for a guy (Harbaugh in both cases) who is unlikely to come.  He brings back a lot of talent next year and already has a pretty good defense.  The offensive line has improved, Ty Isaac may be pretty sick behind it next year.  I have more faith in Nuss than I had in GERG.  For both coaches the side they specialize in was/is good but not great, and they made pretty big mistakes on the other side of the ball.

SalvatoreQuattro

November 12th, 2014 at 4:03 PM ^

Minnesota ran on it. ND shredded it as did MSU.  Gary Nova burnt it. The defense hasn't stopped anyone with a pulse this year.

The coaching staff has completely failed to develop Qbs, the OL is still subpar, and they haven't recruited  enough players with speed and playmaking ability needed in modern football. Oh and their AA WR is flat out terrible.

Other than that this staff has done a wonderful job.

m1jjb00

November 12th, 2014 at 3:46 PM ^

It's the fanbase.  Pick any outrageous idea and some Michigan fan holds it.  We need to implement a power running scheme; we need to run read option; we need to go 5-wide airraid.  We need to be tougher.  We need to hire Tony Dungy.  We need to go press man coverage; we need to run MSU's cover 4; we need to go press man and run MSU's cover 4 (yeah I know).  This guy needs to be fired.  This guy needs to be hired.  We need to recruit guys who won't embarass the university.  We need more guys from the hood.  

And it goes on, and on, and on.

Leatherstocking Blue

November 12th, 2014 at 3:46 PM ^

I was at a formal back in the late '80's and one of the guys at my table was a back-up center for the football team. Being as socially awkward back then as I am today, I naively I asked, "So... you like Bo Schembechler?" And the guy squinted at me, paused and said. "Like?" and made a face like just bit into a lemon. He said, "I don't think I would use the word "like". But I respect the hell out of him."

That may be the difference.

mwoody

November 12th, 2014 at 3:49 PM ^

I simply want a collosal mistake in hiring an unqualified head coach to FINALLY be corrected. It is not his fault he is so bad and is in over his head - it is the fault of those who put him in charge. The Peter Principle is definitely displayed here in spades (people will rise to the level of their incompetence).

Time for him to be "all he can be", which is a defensive line coach at a Power 5 school or with an NFL team. I am out.

 

 

charblue.

November 12th, 2014 at 3:48 PM ^

has performed reasonably well. He is quirky like every coach. There is something about him which fans will latch onto as a flaw of leadership if you're losing, and a non-sequitor if you are not. That would be the headset issue. 

He has recruited well and he has graduated seniors, raising the academic plane of the Michigan brand. We don't look at that stuff as being necessarily important, but to the school, and especially in the wake of Stretchgate, it ought to be. Clearly, the president sees it that way. 

The other reason to defend Hoke is because he might be the coach next year. Whether you want that or not, who knows how he gets graded out by Mr. Hackett, Michigan's apparently appointed hatchet man who will be doing the killing'em softly work or perhaps not. 

Before Mark Schlissel revised his public remarks for clarification, and let's be clear that the clarification seemed not extremely clarifying in my mind, I got to thinking that Schissel is a very smart guy about keeping things close, and letting decisiionmakers make harder choices in closer quarters. 

In other words, I think the president wants control over the next leader of the athletic department, and basically Mr. Hackett is on the clock. If he performs well, and the right choice isn't available immediately, he has his man. Mr. Hackett has Michigan football ties, isn't arrogant and has and will make tough choices. Why create a committee when a pick and roll works just as well, especially at a place where the decisionmakers are the new kids  on the block being pulled in various directions for a variety of reasons. When you are being asked to make all the hard choices, who needs a committee. This is quite a time suck, or sink. Sorry. 

Anyway, this has guided my thought process. That in the wake of the athletic department uproar that has beseiged this president,  in his remarks about reigning in athletics as it connects to the university at large, he didn't use tame language in suggesting what people have asked him to do: hire a new AD to fire Hoke. Guess what, he isn't acting on that impulse because he is a deliberate guy who knows how to play the game in the academic political world. You don't get where he has without having that ability. He won't overreach but he knows the score. 

So, he hired the right guy for the right time to do the right thing. And that thing might not end up being Hoke's head but, then, on the other hand, it very well could or will. At least the recruit class thinks so. '

I think his revised commentary about relationships going forward is informed by current events, his own philosophy and a desire for a semblence of control.

Brady Hoke would be perfect as head coach if he could just win and develop the players he's recruited. For most, that is no longer an issue, but for the people in charge it still is. And that is why he is being defended.  

notYOURmom

November 12th, 2014 at 3:49 PM ^

Honest to pete, even if everyone agrees the guy can't leave fast enough, how can a poor "radio journalist" cover his minutes if he doesn't fabricate a controversy?

Someone has to be the idiot on sports chat shows or there's nothing to watch/listen to.

mgowill

November 12th, 2014 at 3:51 PM ^

Reasons why people say he should stay -

  • It takes more than four years to build a program
  • Hoke is a good guy
  • His recruiting has been really good until this year, he just needs the backing of the University to continue
  • His players like him
  • We don't want another coaching change
  • He graduates his players
  • A big name coach isn't coming to Michigan

Reasons why people say he should go -

  • Downward trajectory of record
  • Lack of road wins
  • Poor records versus rivals
  • No B1G titles and not one in site for the near future
  • Lack of player development
  • Power 5 wins the last two years - Indiana x2, Northwestern x2, Notre Dame, Penn State, Minnesota
  • Hoke has made such a mess of the program that it will take a big name to fix it
  • 6-8 in B1G play the last two years

This will be debated and discussed until a decision is made after this season, and everyone seems to have their own versions of why he should or shouldn't go.  There are just too many glaring items in the list of reasons why he shouldn't be retained for me to think he keeps his job.  It even sounds like he's lost a lot of the bravado he came in with.  I think he knows what's going to happen and I hope the players give him some positive memories of his last few games coaching at Michigan. 

maize-blue

November 12th, 2014 at 3:57 PM ^

I think from a players point of view, unless the coach is a complete asshole, they will support the coach. I don't think it's typical for players to blame and point fingers at coaches for losing. I think the situation would have to be pretty bad for players and fans to be on same page.

Dr. Explosion

November 12th, 2014 at 3:59 PM ^

They probably have experiences that differ than yours. We (at least, I) watch the games, either on tv or in person. I see a bad football team. I conclude that Hoke is not a good coach.

Some people have actually discussed football in depth with Hoke. They have been coached by him or have, at least, watched him coach in person. Those people seem to, at least publicly, claim that he is a good coach. 

This raises three questions: (1) do these people actually believe what they are saying, or are they just toeing some sort of party line? (2) if they really believe what they are saying, what do these individuals that know Hoke personally or have witnessed him coaching in person witness that leads them to conclude that Hoke is the guy for the job? (3) if Hoke is, indeed, a good coach, as some people claim, what is leading to the preposterously bad product on the field?

I don't have the answers to any of the above questions, nor do I really care to speculate. It just makes me sad.

Njia

November 12th, 2014 at 4:39 PM ^

Sure, we don't win many games and we get reliably curb stomped by our key rivals; our running game is practically non-existent; our QB is broken and we have no serviceable backup; our receivers couldn't catch a cold; and our special teams can't count to 11; but consider how well we practice and the graduation rates.

/s

TheBoLineage--

November 12th, 2014 at 4:03 PM ^

there IS a Path For Hoke, mentioned above.  This includes a bowl WIN.  But fundamentally--  the Nuss-O has GOT To Deliver.

 

This is Still a REAL Reach for Hoke--  as @-Nrw showed.

 

For eg--  H-Mry.  You could have the Nuss-O score 26-pts.  And everyone would say Hurray.

 

BUT--  the GMatt-D could Give-up 28-pts.  see @-Rtg.  I cant imagine anyone giving Hoke the Nod with a H-Mry Loss.

 

There is STILL a LOT--  to play out  . . .

 

justingoblue

November 12th, 2014 at 5:25 PM ^

It's Isaac. Peppers, NY. Nusso has Game of Thrones to deliver His Majesty.

There is a path for Hoke, as mentioned above. This includes a bowl (what's important now). But fundamentally, the Nuss oenophile has Gospel of Thomas to deliver. 

This is still*. A Rhymes Equal Actual Life reach for Hoke as shown at Norway.

For example His Majesty. You could have the Nuss Orangutan score 26 Part-Time Scientists and everyone would say "hurray".

Best Use of Technology, the General Motors-att Delivery could give up 28 Practical Test Standards. See at Rooms to Go. I can't imagine anyone giving Hoke Nod without a His Majesty loss.

There is still*. A Lack Of Talent to play out.

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hawkwolverine

November 12th, 2014 at 4:09 PM ^

Every school that we play has an open mind to offensive strategy because they have to to be competitive. The only thing that can save Hoke is if DB was forcing his own blueprint on Michigan offensive football. If a free Hoke can adjust to utilize current players in both strategy and in recruiting in order to meet the modern offense football world, then he might be able to survive. If he can verbalize a change in philosophy and lead the change, then perhaps the Michigan fans can accept another year. If the offensive philosophy continues to force a a rigid offensive system then there is no way that Michigan can compete. I sense a lack of attention to detail based on how he responds in press conferences. I never have read anything about this coaching staff being hard working or sleeping in the office. Although I'm sure they do work hard, I don't hear from leadership any sense of urgency, anger, or drive to improve this situation.

Blue blooded

November 12th, 2014 at 4:16 PM ^

Probably because some people realize that when you change your whole system on offense and defense it takes time and cohesiveness. Not emotional knee jerk reactions

Huntington Wolverine

November 12th, 2014 at 7:46 PM ^

I missed the part where 2012 was a failure -we lost to Alabama (NC), ND (runner up), beat MSU, lost to Nebraska when the all-time leader for QB rush yards got hurt, lost to #4 OSU in Columbus by 5 pts, and lost to #10 USCe on a last minute TD in the bowl game.

Almost all of the struggles of 2013 can be linked to Oline issues that seem to have been worked out this year (significant improvement) and were mostly related to an inexperienced interior line.