What would get you back on the Harbaugh bandwagon?
Assuming that you want Jim Harbaugh fired (I realize that this isn't everyone) and assuming that he returns, what would make you change your mind about wanting a new coach? Would going 7-5 next year but seeming to be on an upswing do it? How about a 9-3 season with a blowout loss to OSU? Does Michigan need to go 12-0, riding to victory over a road of bones, to get you back in Harbaugh's camp? I'm interested to know what you see as necessary next season for Harbaugh to show that he should stay in AA.
December 21st, 2020 at 8:49 PM ^
Beating OSU. That's it, that's the list.
December 21st, 2020 at 9:53 PM ^
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December 21st, 2020 at 10:12 PM ^
1-11 with the win being over OSU, would not do it for me.
i want a winning program and don’t care who coaches us to get there (as long as they are above board).
December 21st, 2020 at 10:40 PM ^
Would for me.
December 22nd, 2020 at 7:10 AM ^
People always say this, but it is such BS. Look at this year -- an extremely weird year and before OSU game was cancelled, there was a widespread uproar over how the team was doing. Do you really think that goes away if they somehow pull out a miracle against OSU this year? I don't. There'd be a lot of "doesn't make it better because it was just a fluke." Now turn 2-4 into 0-11 going into OSU in a more normal year and the outrage would be tremendous, even if they beat OSU.
December 22nd, 2020 at 9:28 AM ^
it's called hyperbole, folks. chill out. the point is that the record is less important than showing you can beat osu.
December 22nd, 2020 at 3:23 AM ^
We can keep dreaming but he had 5 opportunities and lost, several in blowouts, would have had his most embarrassing defeat this year had they played, so I don't see him winning in Year 7. I do see a lot more excuses coming forth about why he should get 10 more chances after he loses next year (players are young, away game, Covid, injuries, recruiting, offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, Ryan Day stole his lunch money, etc.).
When your rivals are praying that your coach gets a lifetime contract, and even offer to fund it, you know you're in deep trouble.
It could be an administration thing. Do you think the Michigan Administration would allow an anti-OSU culture to develop at Michigan like the anti-Michigan culture developed at OSU? I think the Michigan Admins are too PC and would put a muzzle on Bo if he was coaching today. I also think that average Michigan fans themselves don't have the same fanaticism to hate and disrespect OSU (or would find it too embarrassing to take similar measures) as average OSU fans have in hating and disrespecting Michigan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZC8EXI44eM
Michigan is a more academic and international institution that is more concerned with its image on a global level, whereas OSU, and for that matter, Alabama and Clemson, are more concerned about their image in their home states, where they can pretty much do whatever they want. So for fanaticism and culture, I do not see Michigan being able to match anytime soon, unless OSU becomes indifferent, and I think that plays out with the players and onto the field as well.
So to beat OSU, we know Michigan will not change its culture to match, so it will take a brilliant coach that can motivate his players to play hard every game and out coach OSU. Harbaugh has not shown he can do either.
December 22nd, 2020 at 4:13 AM ^
And MSU.
December 22nd, 2020 at 5:58 AM ^
I need to see back to back 9-10 win seasons with wins over OSU. I’m not resigned to the fact that OSU is some unbeatable behemoth like most of the board. 0-5 is unacceptable, 2-5 I’ll live with
December 22nd, 2020 at 9:25 AM ^
Back to back 9 win seasons? Sheesh
December 22nd, 2020 at 7:39 AM ^
A win over tosu may be the biggest thing on every UM fan's wish list, but I think it's too simplistic. Any team on any given day can lose. A couple of key injuries, a pick-6, a muffed punt, a bad snap or other turnovers at just the right time, and boom! - tosu loses a squeaker to Michigan mostly by shooting themselves in the foot.
Hey, it could happen, and I'd love it as much as anybody - but would that really make UM a good team? Because that's what I want. I want to see Harbaugh give Gattis the reins - but I also want to see that Gattis knows what the hell he's doing, and that "speed in space" is a real weapon, and not just a clever slogan. I want to see a DC that builds a defense that's dangerous, that makes other team's OC's think "Oh shit, how do we scheme against these guys?" I want to see a team of BMF's who think they can beat anybody, who say to any team on their schedule, "Come on. Bring that shit into our House. We dare you."
Give me a team like that, with a coaching staff like that, and I'll take what comes.
December 22nd, 2020 at 8:34 AM ^
Negged for 'tosu'. Fuck off with that bullshit, it's NOT the school name.
December 22nd, 2020 at 4:09 PM ^
And your takeaway is to get your panties in a bunch because I used the insulting initials that have appeared hundreds of times on this board?
Sheesh. Some people miss the point. Others aren't even in the same room.
December 22nd, 2020 at 11:44 AM ^
Sam's got it. Assemble a team of coaches that works together as a cohesive unit to develop our players into solid, dependable and respected players who play the game with enthusiasm, heart and vigor. Show me an invigorated team who know what they're doing and who play their positions well and I'll bet we see a team with great stats and a commendable W/L record.
In my humble opinion, the enthusiasm was non-existent this year and that starts with coaching. I could care less what their names are. We need a cohesive team of coaches that work together, collaborate, and put the best players on the field with the right game plans to become a dangerous team both offensively and defensively.
Anything less is unacceptable.
December 22nd, 2020 at 11:47 AM ^
Double post.
December 22nd, 2020 at 8:14 AM ^
December 21st, 2020 at 8:50 PM ^
nachos
December 21st, 2020 at 9:03 PM ^
I meant besides nachos, obviously.
December 21st, 2020 at 9:55 PM ^
Ms Rita’s nachos?
December 21st, 2020 at 10:46 PM ^
Sadly it seems Rich when Rich went out west he favored the nachos of another.
December 22nd, 2020 at 9:13 AM ^
It’s never a good thing when you dip your chip in someone else’s bowl.
December 21st, 2020 at 8:51 PM ^
Victory over OSU and Big Ten Championship
December 22nd, 2020 at 12:40 AM ^
Yep.
Same thought I had.
"Winning the Big Ten (including a victory over Ohio State) and going no worse than 12-1."
December 21st, 2020 at 8:52 PM ^
Beating OSU.
But that's a tall order with how crazy they've been recruiting so just beat everyone else, look like you have a competent to explosive offense, and a defense that can actually get a stop. Go to a New Year's 6 game at the minimum and WIN that game for once so that we end the season around top 6-7. So basically be like Indiana of this year or but not get shafted for a NY6 game.
December 21st, 2020 at 9:06 PM ^
If the only time we can beat OSU is when we out recruit them then expect losses for the next 3 years in a row, minimum. They have us beat on the recruiting trail this season and probably next season as well. Maybe we can beat them in recruiting in 2023. But those guys will be young so give them a year to mature.
See, the point is, we need coaches that punch above their weight class. They haven't been doing that. If the only way we can beat OSU is by out-athleting them then we are in big trouble.
December 21st, 2020 at 9:27 PM ^
I read someone else describe college football today as Alabama, Clemson, OSU and then everyone else. That’s the truth. Only those three schools are consistently at or near the top and it’s primarily because of talent. And the difference in talent is magnified even further when every team’s best players leave early, which means Michigan is never going to enjoy much of an experience edge, either. For many reasons, Michigan is NEVER going to be able to recruit like that. If beating OSU is your measuring stick, OSU will have to come down because Michigan is never going up to that level.
December 22nd, 2020 at 7:37 AM ^
To me, it is Clemson / Alabama in the first tier. Second tier is OSU and Oklahoma (has won multiple B12 championships in a row). Third tier looked like it was Georgia but now perhaps swinging to Florida and maybe ND. Then pretty much everyone else.
December 22nd, 2020 at 9:49 AM ^
To me it's Alabama in the first tier by itself, with Clemson in a second tier also by itself. OSU, Oklahoma, A&M, Florida, Georgia etc etc are in a third tier.
December 22nd, 2020 at 11:15 AM ^
A&M?!
December 21st, 2020 at 9:41 PM ^
Last time I checked, OSU has great coaches as well. And what those coaches do in scheming against Michigan is they identify our weakest player on defense and attack that player over and over again.
What that has looked like recently is, they have all 5* WRs it's a pretty safe bet that their #3 WR is going to be faster and quicker than our #3 DB. I really don't think there is a simple schematic answer to that, without opening up other ways that the offense can hurt you...
December 22nd, 2020 at 1:11 AM ^
Well we had a historically great WR recruiting class and we wasted the talent almost entirely . . .
December 22nd, 2020 at 3:46 PM ^
OK, but this has nothing at all to do with the post I am responding to. You are just bitching because you are upset and want to bitch. /shrug
December 21st, 2020 at 9:54 PM ^
Gus Malzhan (sp?) beat Alabama every 2-3 years with inferior talent.
Why do some people think Michigan fans are so unreasonable when it comes to JH. All most of us want is:
1. Beat OSU once ever 3-4 years
2. Beat MSU greater than 50% of the time
3 Have an above .500 Bowl record.
4. Have 2-4 wins in 6 years of coaching that you can say the coaches won the game for us.
That bar, historically, is fairly low at Michigan. JH has had a decent W/L record with W’s that are almost all meaningless, except for 2-3 wins in 6 years. That is just unacceptable.
December 22nd, 2020 at 12:11 AM ^
Beat Ohio once every 3-4 years, go 50-50 with Penn State, dominate Michigan State.
these are not that tough of goals. Heck, Sparty has fielded like two good teams the entire time Jim’s been in Ann Arbor, and yet the record indicates otherwise.
December 22nd, 2020 at 4:21 PM ^
Once every 3-4 years? That might get one back on the bandwagon...but eventually, it needs to be more often than that.
December 22nd, 2020 at 10:40 PM ^
As long as Ohio State is operating at the peak of what it’s program has ever produced, expecting more than that many wins against them is foolish. But you can’t just lose every single year.
basically, if a Michigan coach performed as well as Gus Malzahn has at Auburn, you gotta be content with that. Tom Osborne is one of the greatest coaches in college history and he went 5-12 against Barry Switzers wishbone Death Star OU teams.
December 22nd, 2020 at 8:38 AM ^
Yes. Just winning a few games we aren’t supposed to win would go a looooong way.
December 21st, 2020 at 11:05 PM ^
It starts this off season with a new DC and a few coaches that can flat out recruit. Then. Eat everyone else on the schedule as I too think beating OSU right now is not that feasible
December 21st, 2020 at 8:52 PM ^
Making it to the Myrtle Beach Bowl. He doesn't even have to win it. (Do I need to add the /s?)
December 21st, 2020 at 9:25 PM ^
Death to all BUTT metal.
No—death to ALL but metal.
December 21st, 2020 at 8:53 PM ^
Beat OSU and MSU.
That's it.
December 21st, 2020 at 8:54 PM ^
Nothing, I was already suckered back in during the revenge tour. Never again.
December 22nd, 2020 at 12:58 AM ^
You’ve already said you and your family aren’t buying season tickets next year, so why stop there? Just root for another team, I promise you will be happier. At the very least we wouldn’t have to listen to you whine in every thread
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December 21st, 2020 at 8:56 PM ^
Moorhead and Mason
December 21st, 2020 at 9:02 PM ^
Moorhead.
December 21st, 2020 at 8:57 PM ^
In his 7th year, a win over OSU would be nice to see...
Barring that, being undefeated, except for losing to OSU, would be second on the list.
7-5 wouldn't cut it, especially in light of how many people used covid and injuries as a justification for him getting a pass this year.
December 21st, 2020 at 8:59 PM ^
You know, at this point I would settle for a loss to OSU in 2021, provided it was a close, competitive, and hard-fought game ... kinda like what we saw Florida do with Alabama the other night.
That would indicate the arrow is pointed in the right direction.