Way OT: Military coup in Turkey

Submitted by Jon06 on

There appears to be a military coup in progress in Turkey. This is super OT, but I know there are days when I get all of my news via the MGoBoard, so I thought I'd post it. The coup attempt is frontpage news everywhere, so I'll let you choose your own sources instead of linking anything.

It'll be very interesting to see what happens. As some of you may know, President Erdogan had been fairly effectively trying to expand his power beyond the scope allowed by the Turkish constitution, while more or less waging war on Turkey's Kurdish population. For another bit of background information, Turkish F-16s shot down a Russian warplane 8 months ago, causing an international incident that could have easily had major implications for the US. (Turkey is a member of NATO, so we have treaty obligations that would be hard to ignore if Erdogan were to start a war with Russia.)

Turkey is also a key ally in the fight against ISIS, so this is worth watching for that reason alone. A step back from the direction Erdogan had been tending, including the restoration of peace with Turkish Kurds and cooperation with Syrian Kurds who have often been the most effective opponents of ISIS, would appear to be a great boon to American strategic interests. But who knows what the consequences of a military coup might be.

michfn2

July 15th, 2016 at 7:24 PM ^

The decision for Britain to leave the EU looks better by the minute. May I introduce the EU soon to be newest member Turkey.



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Jon06

July 15th, 2016 at 7:58 PM ^

They say that right-leaning Europeans oppose admitting Turkey on anti-Islamic cultural grounds, while left-leaning Europeans oppose admitting Turkey on protectionist economic grounds. I would not be surprised if they were correct.

Abe Froman

July 15th, 2016 at 9:51 PM ^

To join the EU turkey must approve freedom of the press. To do that, turkey must open the conversation to their perpetrating a genocide against the Armenians in 1915. Considering they active lobby money in many countries (including the U.S.) to avoid said responsibility... This isn't likely to happen.

BlowGoo

July 15th, 2016 at 7:27 PM ^

Less worried about Erdogan's heavy handedness than the military clique that is attempting the coup.

FWIW, along the same vein, I think Sisi has been a much bigger long term disaster than Morsi would have been.

I don't subscribe to the theory that for the West to survive, it has to support dictatorships in the middle east. That's the kind of thinking is what got us into this mess in the first place.

remdog

July 15th, 2016 at 10:43 PM ^

history suggests that a military coup might be vastly preferable to Erdogan retaining power.  He's quickly turning the country into an Islamic dictatorship, an absolutely horrible outcome in every respect.  In contrast, prior recent military coups in Turkey have restored secular democracy, allowing Turkey to remain relatively free and tolerant.

But how can a country that requires periodic military coups to rid itself of theocratic dictators every be stable?

translator82

July 15th, 2016 at 7:31 PM ^

Crazy situation. A couple friends of mine are in Turkey right now and they're OK in Istanbul and Antalya and I have many friends who have relatives in Istanbul. The live video feeds that are popping up from people's phones and social media feeds are surreal...like this one:

 

Blue4U

July 15th, 2016 at 10:09 PM ^

Unable to see where rounds impacted so we don't know if people were actually targeted.  But people did scatter and another vid shows a rocket being fired as well.  Can't imagine a rocket being fired as part of warning shot.  When a rocket impacts, shrapnel goes everywhere.

Nobody Likes a…

July 15th, 2016 at 7:38 PM ^

Everything I know about Turkey I learned from these guys

 

 

 

The news media seems to have no concept of whats actually going on. I've watched at least an hour of people saying the same version of nothing 

jmblue

July 15th, 2016 at 8:20 PM ^

Erdogan already wields enormous power, though. I don't know how much more he can get. Some foreign nations are expressing support for Erdogan. That could be a sign they expect him to prevail. If he were to be deposed, I'm not sure they'd shed many tears.

Hornsgoblue (not verified)

July 16th, 2016 at 12:34 AM ^

Erdogan has already wiped out the military as evidenced by the fiasco that we watched unfold on TV tonight.He bascially has no opposition as he has silenced, jailed, and destroyed anything and every person who has dared to raise their voice to him.He is nothing more than a common bully, with no skills, intelligence, or talent except for his ability to manipulate ignorant masses for his own gain.

Eye of the Tiger

July 15th, 2016 at 8:24 PM ^

I'm no fan of Erdogan, but this is bad no matter how you cut it. If it succeeds, the Turkish democracy is dead. If it fails, Erdogan is going to continue consolidating power around himself. Also not good.



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Eye of the Tiger

July 15th, 2016 at 8:28 PM ^

If there are regular and free elections, it's formally a democracy. But Turkey is probably classifiable as what political scientists call "pseudo-democracy," like Venezuela under Chavez, Thailand under Thaksin, or Malaysia since independence. The form but not the substance of democracy.



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Eye of the Tiger

July 16th, 2016 at 1:51 PM ^

There are legal, above ground political parties other than the ruling party that contest relatively free and fair elections. That makes it, formally speaking, a representative democracy. In all of the examples I cited, however, there is or was "deck stacking" to benefit the incumbent (including arrests, takeover of media, etc.). That's why it's called "pseudo-democracy": democracy in form but not substance.



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