Way OT: Military coup in Turkey
There appears to be a military coup in progress in Turkey. This is super OT, but I know there are days when I get all of my news via the MGoBoard, so I thought I'd post it. The coup attempt is frontpage news everywhere, so I'll let you choose your own sources instead of linking anything.
It'll be very interesting to see what happens. As some of you may know, President Erdogan had been fairly effectively trying to expand his power beyond the scope allowed by the Turkish constitution, while more or less waging war on Turkey's Kurdish population. For another bit of background information, Turkish F-16s shot down a Russian warplane 8 months ago, causing an international incident that could have easily had major implications for the US. (Turkey is a member of NATO, so we have treaty obligations that would be hard to ignore if Erdogan were to start a war with Russia.)
Turkey is also a key ally in the fight against ISIS, so this is worth watching for that reason alone. A step back from the direction Erdogan had been tending, including the restoration of peace with Turkish Kurds and cooperation with Syrian Kurds who have often been the most effective opponents of ISIS, would appear to be a great boon to American strategic interests. But who knows what the consequences of a military coup might be.
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They say that right-leaning Europeans oppose admitting Turkey on anti-Islamic cultural grounds, while left-leaning Europeans oppose admitting Turkey on protectionist economic grounds. I would not be surprised if they were correct.
...there are quite a few things: economic instability, human rights violations, immigration concerns and racist tendencies within some segments of the EU. The proportions of those four are debatable.
Less worried about Erdogan's heavy handedness than the military clique that is attempting the coup.
FWIW, along the same vein, I think Sisi has been a much bigger long term disaster than Morsi would have been.
I don't subscribe to the theory that for the West to survive, it has to support dictatorships in the middle east. That's the kind of thinking is what got us into this mess in the first place.
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history suggests that a military coup might be vastly preferable to Erdogan retaining power. He's quickly turning the country into an Islamic dictatorship, an absolutely horrible outcome in every respect. In contrast, prior recent military coups in Turkey have restored secular democracy, allowing Turkey to remain relatively free and tolerant.
But how can a country that requires periodic military coups to rid itself of theocratic dictators every be stable?
Would Greece help?
it appears that someone hacked into Wolfman's account.
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Crazy situation. A couple friends of mine are in Turkey right now and they're OK in Istanbul and Antalya and I have many friends who have relatives in Istanbul. The live video feeds that are popping up from people's phones and social media feeds are surreal...like this one:
HUGE: Crazy footage shows helicopters firing a target on the ground in Ankara. pic.twitter.com/vtiZSkckzV
— Gilgo (@agirecudi) July 15, 2016
Is anybody able to interpret what this video shows with any confidence?
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Not warning shots. Those red streaks at the beginning are tracers, which are usually loaded every tenth round (helps keep you on target at night). That is live fire.
4 ball to 1 tracer was standard when I was in the Army.
But they're probably shooting a 20mm cannon, so the rate of fire is a lot higher.
I honestly couldn't tell you, but they sure look like that. This link takes you to a video that clearly shows protestors ducking for cover when shots ring out in Istanbul.
Unable to see where rounds impacted so we don't know if people were actually targeted. But people did scatter and another vid shows a rocket being fired as well. Can't imagine a rocket being fired as part of warning shot. When a rocket impacts, shrapnel goes everywhere.
Everything I know about Turkey I learned from these guys
The news media seems to have no concept of whats actually going on. I've watched at least an hour of people saying the same version of nothing
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There will be a union of the UK, Russia and USA sooner than later.
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Yeah, this is along the lines I was thinking last night. Nationalist, right-wing governments...kind of scary, but it's a potential reality. China a threat to both the US and Russia, UK hating on the rest of Europe...should be fun.
Completely clueless.
what else would bring us together?
US and Russia in a union...that is like OSU and UM melding to form a single football team. NEVER going to happen
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Okay, lets talk Turkey.
/alwayswantedtosaythat
This guy loved talking Turkey
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Erdogan has already wiped out the military as evidenced by the fiasco that we watched unfold on TV tonight.He bascially has no opposition as he has silenced, jailed, and destroyed anything and every person who has dared to raise their voice to him.He is nothing more than a common bully, with no skills, intelligence, or talent except for his ability to manipulate ignorant masses for his own gain.
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