Hearing about Syracuse' 2-3 zone all week, you would think no one's ever beaten it.
Syracuse talks their 2-3 zone and how it will be tough for Burke
Timmy put it best!
watching ESPN. People act like no one ever scores in Cuse. Last I checked, they have 9 losses on the year. Obviously beating the zone is not some completely baffling thing. They're obviously playing well now, but I'd bet we're going to give them their toughest test of the year
One of those 9 losses was to my Temple Owls; a good team surely but less talented or deep than Michigan.
It would seem the stage has been set!
They haven't given up a point since JANUARY OF 2010. A guy on the Internet said so.
it was January 1910...
has no control on this team. Actually a stupid comment and really ... they've never seen film, yeah right. I'm surprised they didn't flat out guarantee a win!
If Michigan repeats another VCU or Florida game ... this will be an ass whooping!
I don't know if anyone here has seen it, but here was Horford's response to Triche saying they have a mismatch advantage at every postion.
"Brandon Triche is a nice young man. Nice young man. And I would love to have tea with him to discuss matchup issues."
... and here is the next sentence:
""Honey always in the tea. Green tea, honey. (I have it) every night, and I would love it if he joined me."
Horford is either a comedic genius or a bodhisattva.
You say that like they're mutually exclusive.
Maybe they could read the Tao Te Ching together as they drink their tea.
Ugh, double post. Sorry.
Kinda wish you hadn't changed it. I feel like that comment deserved a double.
Syracuse creates problems for Burke? Send in the NCAA's most eligible bachelor! Give 'em the Spike!
But seriously, Syracuse sure is feeling trash talkie this week.
Keep talking Cuse. Keep talking.
I suggest they try giving McGary a crotch shot to start the game. That'll throw us off.
I'm guessing no, with some heavy dogs in his earlier years.
Teams start jaw jackin' & they haven't even seen film. That isn't confidence - that is blindness. In the words of THJ, "if the zone was unbeatable, they'd be 39-0."
The 2-3 zone chose to lose those 9 games this year. Just to see if it could still feel...
I have seen referance to soft or hard basketball rims before but never knew the relationship to shooting and why. Here is a artical I found to explain it. Good artical if you can get past the Duke part . http://www.aolnews.com/2007/03/25/ncaa-tests-show-duke-has-loose-rims/
SYRACUSE RUNS A 2-3 ZONE! ZONE ZONE ZONEY ZONE LENGTH ZONE LENGTHITTY LENGTHITTY LENGTH CODY ZELLER OHNOES ZONE 2-3 OMGZZZZZZZ.
Well. I feel better now.
You can't really fit this into "Row Your Boat", but I made it work.
But I was overwhelmed with panic and lost it about halfway through. I mean, Michael Carter-Williams is 6'6"! SIX FOOT SIX OH SHIT MUST FIND PAPER BAG...
Whew. Almost lost it again.
Camptown Races too. It works, and yet there is something not quite right.
Saw a comment on MLive about how Boeheim is baiting our team by telling his guys to talk to see if we'll take the bait. So far, we haven't. I don't know - I just think some coaches think the trash talk equals confidence and psyching out the other team. Other coaches, like Beilein, think differently.
"We will rain down our 2-3 zone on the Michigan imperialists and reunite the union!"
Wouldn't trash talk motivate the other team. This is exactly what Michigan basketball needs. They play great when they're angry.
Don't make Michigan basketball angry. You wouldn't like it when Michigan basketball is angry.
Put another chip on the guy's shoulder who built his career off of having a chip on his shoulder...
So let me get this straight - Syracuse has known since Sunday that they will be playing us tomorrow and they are just now watching film? Does anyone else find this a little odd?
You know their coaches have studied the film and they probably were so intimidated and afraid of shaking their players' fragile confidence that they're now just going to play a few clips, keep blowing smoke up their bunghole about their vaunted 2-3, and pray we don't show up.
So we should expect Syracuse to run Havok 2.0 tomorrow night. Full court man to man. That's what I've gathered about their defense.
Gee. As much as this 2-3 zone is being talked up, syracuse could use the element of surprise at this point.
vulnerable to the three point shot, we just have to hope we come out hot like we did against Florida and that will open up their zone.
Hail, Hail ...
Advice to the team on ignoring this trash talk bullshit:
Just let your nuts hang.
Ray Jackson #21.
Let 'em hang!
Also: we've never seen their 2-3 zone, guys. Srsly.
Cause we're stupid enough to not watch film until right before the game. And we haven't played a zone before. Right.
People keep talking about the length of Syracuse's zone, but I'm mostly amazed by how orange it is.
it's how you use it. Just let 'em hang.
Well then, lets shock the world.
Isn't their zone more like UNLV's amoeba zone then an actual 2-3? Last time I checked they don't have Stacey Augmon or Anderson Hunt so I'm not worried.
Good move, 'Cuse. Give a guy who plays with a constant chip on his shoulder one more reason to get fired up.
Trey's playing it right. Just let your play do all the talking. It'd make a victory and watching them walk off the court in defeat that much sweeter. And honestly, if Syracuse hasn't watched any of our film until tonight, then I really like our chances.
Havoc = Zone in my mind. Extremely hyped, but it's been beaten before...
Also we've faced the Big Ten all year. If we come out and shred it, it will put a nail in the coffin of the big ten overrated thing once and for all. That shit may work in the big east but not here.
I've seen comments about Syracuse motivating is with their trash talk a few times. If these kids aren't 100% motivated already by playing in the final four, I doubt any locker room banter will make a difference.
So why are they not undefeated if this 2-3 is all that
Timmy's response is great! It's actually a little cocky right back. Reminds me of Zuckerberg's comment in The Social Network where he says, "If you guys were the inventors of Facebook, you would have invented Facebook."
Has anyone else encountered an abnormal amount of trash talk from the Syracuse fans? Could just be me, but they seem to be everywhere, and are beyond cocky about this game.
A zone D by name allows that different defenders will be responsible for guarding Burke once he enters their zone. This switching - or help in the instant the switch begins - is what Burke thrives on. This switch invariably creates a lane for a slashing GRRR or Son of Gary which is usually then followed by a Spode from 3B. They can say all they want that they'll shut him down, but if they know in the back of their heads that they're suppose to have help, then unconsciously their D slacks near the switch point. BOOM, you're beaten > defensive help comes > Spode and a dunk!
Teams need a lock-down defender to slow Burke down, defenders who know they and they alone are responsible with no help coming - ala Craft and Oladipo.
Zone defenses, like fixed-fortifications, are monuments to the stupidity of man.
(At least this is what I keep telling myself)
Grabbing, holding and bumping him all the way down the court.. Oh wait, that's right, those two got knocked out of the tournament already. And didn't Craft get schooled consistently in his last game this year? Now why might that be? Maybe because he couldn't grab his man and knock him off the ball the whole game.
It's been 75% zone and little focus on us. The media is helping take all the pressure off the freshman. Keep it coming.
I just want Michigan to beat them so bad.
See trey drive
See trey dish
See trey kick
See nick splash.
See trey drive
See trey dish
See Mitch dunk.
A defense only has so much pressure it can distribute over the floor. It can concentrate it, and if the opposing team can't deal with the concentration, then the opposing team is in trouble.
But if the opposing team can make it through the concentration to spots from which the pressure has been transferred from, then the offense can be in an advantageous situation, provided it makes good basketball plays from that advantage.
We got by VCU's press and then played easy basketball.
Syracuse extends the 2-3 zone well out into the perimeter, but to do so it leaves the foul line area. I expect Beilein will find ways to get Trey and THJ the ball at the free throw line, from where they both can do damage, especially Trey. Shoot (money), drive, draw, & dish, or kick out for the open three.
After this causes Syracuse problems, I expect Syracuse will adjust by paying more attention to the foul line/paint and less on the perimeter.
Indiana got the ball into Cody Zeller at the high post multiple times. But I don't remember him scoring from any of those entries. Each time, Zeller would ignore the open 12-footer in favor of driving at the Syracuse bigs and trying to go over them. That failed each and every time that I can recall, in the form of either a blocked or missed shot. And so there was no reason for Syracuse to adjust.
Which brings us back to my opinion that there will be plenty of space for Michigan to play good basketball. If we play better basketball than Syracuse, we win. If we don't, and Syracuse has a great deal of talent, then we don't win. But it won't be because of some magic zone.
Projected NBA draftees from teams in the Final Four
|Goodman's 2013 NBA Draft Prospect Rankings|
|23||Glenn Robinson III||Michigan||Fr.||SF||6-7||210|
|49||Tim Hardaway Jr.||Michigan||Jr.||SG||6-6||205|
Pretty surprised that GRIII is that high. They just don't draft the way they used to, because somewhere along the line the NBA coaches got it in their heads that they're good at developing players. They're not.
teams started to figure out that if they could use a ~late first round pick to grab a future lottery pick, then they would be picking up value over going for the career journeyman.
I wonder where they make the cutoff?
On this list, GRIII was a ~#10 pick in January. So his lack of B1G regular season production caused his stock to drop in the eyes of the CBS prognosticator. But, yeah, his projected first round status is based on potential, not current production.
Not sure if the S by Stauskas' position stands for shooter but if so you should know he's more than that.
I've had the sound turned down all year
Stauskas is ranked higher in draft-projections than Russ Smith? Whoa.
And there is the younger player favoritism factor. Stauskas has got that goin' for him.
I chose this list because it fills out the Top 100 with impactful college players, which is relevant to the Final Four (but likely just taking up space in regards to the draft).
A 6'6 sharpshooter with decent athleticism and good passing skills is much more valuable in the NBA than a a short but really athletic guard who's inconsistent at best, erratic at worst.
Dude's name is really Lloyd Christmas? Bomb dot com.
You probably thought I was going to make a joke here, but his name is actually Rakeem Christmas: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/56996/rakeem-chri.... Make of that what you will.
Ah, that makes sense. I've seen 'Cuse play quite a few times this year and know of the player but wasn't sure of his first name. Lloyd didn't quite sound right but I was going with it!
Your CBS link is a bit outdated - McGary isn't even listed and according to Chad Ford he's a 1st Rounder if he left (which he won't). http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2013/04/espns_chad_ford_michig...
I was listening to SVP and Rusillo yesterday and they had a segment on drafting players who are in the Final 4. They were making the argument that they'd take 5 Mich players before anyone on Louisville, Syracuse or Wichita St.
4. Stauskas (they were in love with his 3pt shooting especially at 6'6)
They said they really wanted to put MCW of Syracuse in Top 5 but didn't know who to take out. Bottom line - we've got ridiculous talent.
But aside from McGary, which we all are well aware of, should a couple of games make a big difference?
I went with the CBS link because it goes down to 100 (and then even beyond by position). I saw the Chad Ford article on McGary, and was going to use his Top 100 list, but because I do not pay to be an insider, I can only see his Top 20. And McGary isn't in his April 2 Top 20. http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft/results/top100/_/year/2013
I'm so tired of reading about the "length" of this stupid zone. The court is, what, 50 feet wide? 600 inches? Adding 6 inches of wingspan isn't going to do shit. It's the most overrated bullshit I've ever seen.
I don't know, Prince made himself a pretty good defender with the Pistons largely because of his length. I think it does help Syracuse in terms of tightening passing lanes and angles and probably a bit when they are running at a shooter trying to disrupt their shot. Having said that, I think while Syracuse seems to be dreaming about their next game, Michigan is about to become their worst nightmare. Give Beilein time to prepare, give him shooters with some quicks (something he's not had against Syracuse in the past) and give him a game that requires fundamentals (right pass, patience, good shots) and I think he'll not only solve the zone but if his defense shows up, he'll do it comfortably.
Two thumbs up
...it does matter.
As for the zone. Like the above poster said, it definitely affect passing lanes, it allows you to close out on the shooters more effectively and it make it harder to penatrate and dish.
This is VCU all over again. The opposing defense is getting all the hype but actually should play to our strengths.
...they wanted to speed the game up.
Syracuse is the opposite. They want to play halfcourt basketball.
People think it plays to our strengths because we like to shoot. But how many times (@ Ohio for example) did we fall in love with the 3-point shot and not make anything?
Our strength isn't shooting, it's transition. In order to get in transition we have to get stops.
DEFENSE is how we win this game. If you get stop and fast breaks you're A. playing to your strength and B. not allowing them to set their zone.
Play good defense and force them to miss shots, lots of them.