Salt Lake Tribune: Utahan take on Hoke's future

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Link:    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/utes/58425078-89/hoke-michigan-coach-state.html.csp

When he took over in Ann Arbor in 2011, to a swell of fanfare as the program finally bagged itself "a Michigan Man," he knew he had to win. As he told The New York Times in the fall of that year, "There are consequences for losing."

He must have known then, even as those consequences draw nearer now, that the bar was higher for college football’s all-time winningest program. He knew Top 25 rankings, BCS bowl games and beating "that school in Ohio" weren’t just bonuses — they were expected results.

But it’s not that Hoke doesn’t merit some sympathy, he just doesn’t need it.

Coach Kyle Whittingham said the memories of preparing for Hoke’s San Diego State teams in 2009 and 2010 aren’t useful, because too much has changed. But he observes something in Michigan’s game film that he noted back then, when the Aztecs gave the eventual 10-3 Utes a 38-34 dogfight.

"The style of football he likes is tough, hard-nosed, blue-collar football," Whittingham said. "That’s what he preaches. That’s what he’s all about. You can see that in the play of Michigan."

The problem, then, might be that Hoke is blue-collar, but the Wolverines are blue bloods.

I was surprised by this closing sentence:

Hoke’s 4-6 record against Ohio State, Notre Dame and Michigan State isn’t wholly satisfying, and he hasn’t beaten any of them on the road. Already, the speculation is rampant about potential replacements; some figure there’s no way Michigan keeps him barring a miraculous turnaround.

snarling wolverine

September 19th, 2014 at 2:34 PM ^

 

I doubt the author is really connected.  Hoke's future remains to be settled.    

Someone in the comments section (apparently a Michigan fan) claimed that "This is a program that was a perennial 1 to 3 loss team. Anything under 2 losses, good. Anything over 2 got people griping."   Sounds like revisionism.  Carr had only one season of under two losses in his 13 years.

 

Tater

September 19th, 2014 at 4:49 PM ^

There is plenty of speculation about Brady Hoke, both in and outside of Ann Arbor.  The author probably did what any writer does when trying to get info on a team halfway around the country: google "MIchigan Wolverines Football" and read a bunch of stuff.  

While the writer might not be "connected," there is plenty of info out there, especially if your daily job involved finding it.

Marvin

September 19th, 2014 at 2:31 PM ^

So "hard-nosed" football is incompatible with "blue blood" players? How do "blue blood" players achieve success on the field? What does a "blue blood" defense look like and how does it stop the hurryup spread? How might a "blue blood" coach do better at Michigan? These passages seems absurd.

DairyQueen

September 20th, 2014 at 1:49 PM ^

We could talk about the state of internet "journalism", (or even print journalism in the past 100-200 years).

We could talk about how authors simply can't "kill their darlings" and rally around trite turns of phrase to drive their poor article (i.e. they never had a great teacher/writing instructor)

And those would be fair criticisms leveled.

But I am interested at least the concept he's getting at. Maybe not to the degree that the article seems to suggest.

In short, I'd be lying if I said there isn't something there that peaks my interest.

 

Because, in many ways UM has looked soft. And considering MAC-level programs, for Hoke to turn around 2 different programs to 11-2 records, c'mon guys, that's A-M-A-Z-I-N-G. What would you say if a MAC program ran the table like that?

I've heard from many people that Brady Hoke had an amazing talent of "placing chips on the shoulders of his players", and let's face it, X's and O's aside, football is a sport about GRIT and ANGER. It's easy to forget after seeing it on T.V. so long (just like the NHL!), that those athletes are TRAIN-WRECKING eachother. "Ten-Yard-Fight" is not just a cool phrase, that's what's happening, we just get to sit and watch from afar, or through a mechanical lense thats broadcast through an electric wire and recomposed onto glass or plastic.

How difficult has it been for Hoke, who's experience is rallying the guys who were the "you're too small", "not fast enough", "not enough star-ratings" to reach great feats, versus working with the kids who "have it all" where so far "everything has come easy (or pretty easy", who have pretty much been given gifts athletically, and never faced much adversity until the colleve-level?

And there IS something to the "blue blood" statement, like Mike Tyson said, "Everybody always got a plan...until they get hit". Let's not forget all these "Top Players" that we become giddy over played through H.S. as pretty much Men-among-Boys, and then when you talk about Michigan-level recruits, you're talking about Gods-among-Boys. Remember, our O-lineman, sure they get stronger/faster after arriving in college, but is H.S. their height/weight was pretty much the same. The type of work they have to do is almost nothing, they are almost purely coveted for their size, and then whatever "talent" or "skill" they display ON TOP of that. And these 6'2-4" WRs, how much work do they have to do at the high-school level? I don't know, I'm just asking.

I don't necessarily agree with the guy, but at the same time, the idea that we're getting these "Lamborghini"-type players and that Hoke has MADE HIS NAME working with "Blue Collar"-type players, and that that could be why there's been so much mediocrity, it isn't exactly illogical.

I'm curious as to others feel here. Beyond some sound-byte dismissal platitude.

brewandbluesaturdays

September 19th, 2014 at 2:32 PM ^

some figure there’s no way Michigan keeps him barring a miraculous turnaround.

 

I'd like to know who Kyle Goon's sources are out in Utah that feel this way. Because as been noted on this blog, there just aren't many viable options for replacement. I wanted a change after ND like so many others and still feel as though it may be in the best interest long term if we stay on the trajectory we are on. However, the options out their are slim. 

bluebyyou

September 19th, 2014 at 2:53 PM ^

Why would a new coach have to have a former Michigan connection? Because that's what has been largely done in the past?  Did John Beilein have a Michigan connection before becoming its coach?

The fact of the matter is that there aren't too many Urban Meyers or James Franklins looking for new jobs, but that doesn't mean that there aren't good people out there who would rise to the occasion, although there is risk.  

I have the feeling that we will know long before the end of the season which way the wind is blowing.

 

 

AlwaysBlue

September 19th, 2014 at 8:38 PM ^

with an understanding of what a Michigan man is? It has nothing to do with where you come from and everything about believing Michigan is the very best place to be (for a coach) and reaching your potential as an athlete and man (for a player).

ahw1982

September 19th, 2014 at 6:16 PM ^

Definition of "viable" is elastic, and I'm sure you can stretch it pretty far if you go 0-3 in rivaly games, lose 1-2 other regular season games against perceived "lesser" teams (*cough*, Utah, *cough*), lose 2+ high profile recruits, lose a bowl game, and deal with ESPN headlines about how attendance at home games versus Penn St., Indiana or Maryland was so low that it broke some bazillion year attendance record at the Big House and what the hell is wrong with Michigan Football, etc.  Maryland game is sparsely attended, ESPN takes a picture of a half empty Big House, and attaches it to some sensationalist, "What's Wrong With Michigan" or "What's Wrong With the Big 10" article after ALL the teams in the Big 10 suck it up big time and are knocked out of national title contention.  Dave Brandon goes into standard football revenue generating mode and sacks Hoke and Co. to hire whatever new darling emerges this year, or is fired from the NFL this year.

I guess I'm just pessimistic.

bighouse22

September 19th, 2014 at 11:38 PM ^

The new argument for keeping Hoke has evolved to the point of "well we can't do any better"?  To me this is the most damaging thing about Hoke as the coach if this continues to go down hill.  The program expectations have been lowered to the point that some are throwing in the towel and now a MAC level coach is the best we can do!  Come on, man!

MChem83

September 19th, 2014 at 7:32 PM ^

his talent has gotten better and his teams have not. You're basing all of your praise on what he did three years ago (mainly with other people's recruits) and has never even come close to duplicating. He doesn't have one big road win or one big upset to his credit in four years. He hasn't developed a single one of his recruits into a star-caliber player, and he has never outcoached anybody.

bighouse22

September 19th, 2014 at 11:48 PM ^

His starting point was 11-2!  Most definitely trending down, but we don't want pesky facts getting in the way.  

Of course, based on the current opinions on this board, Michigan can not really expect to find a better coach than Hoke either.  

Why should someone making millions of dollars/yr be expected to perform their job as one of the top paid coaches in the country!  I'll take that deal!  

It pays to know the right people and be a nice guy!  Apparently this is now the Michigan Difference!  

/s

HeliosEusebio

September 19th, 2014 at 2:35 PM ^

What the heck is a "blue blood" player? Also Hoke stays unless the team does worse than 8-4 and/or a Les Miles or a Harbaugh suddenly decide Ann Arbor is a nice place to live. More importantly Brandon wants a "yes man" on the sidelines. Much ado about nothing to me.

detrocks

September 19th, 2014 at 2:36 PM ^

The article is fine, but there's nothing there that hasn't been completely played to death already. In terms of the "some" who figure that there's no way Michigan keeps Hoke barring a miraculous turnaround, I can only imagine that's the author trolling just about every Michigan board on the internet.

MeanJoe07

September 19th, 2014 at 2:38 PM ^

This game will provide some good insight into how the rest of the season may go.  I'm not convinced that we can run the ball on above avergage defenses yet.  If we can it will let Devin relax and not make him feel like he has to force something to happen. The defense should be solid with some of the adjustments in the secondary.

smitty1983

September 19th, 2014 at 2:40 PM ^

I think Hoke is in over his head, but with that said I am scared to death what will happen to this program under another coaching change. I don't think this is a top destination for a coach anymore. Really hate saying that but I believe it's true. Michigan can't just go throw a bunch of money around and get who they want anymore.


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bighouse22

September 19th, 2014 at 11:53 PM ^

Is everyone so afraid of failure that you are frozen in fear!  Pretty difficult to find true success if you are afraid to fail.

You can't let fear dictate your decisions!  If the supposed leaders have this thought process going on they should be replaced for real leaders! 

You can't be afraid to act when a situation requires it!

M-Dog

September 19th, 2014 at 7:25 PM ^

It's funny but it's true.  You can only milk that "former NFL" thing for about 2 seasons.  Then it's all about what you do on the college level.

Nobody thinks "New England Patriots OC" anymore when they think of Charlie Weis.  Hell, people barely think "Baltimore Ravens DC" anymore when they think of Greg Mattison.  You become what you do at the college level pretty quickly. 

Everyone Murders

September 19th, 2014 at 2:51 PM ^

The Salt Lake guy had to find an angle on this story, and realized that he could spew whatever opinion he wanted into the article under the guise of reporting since it is an away game with an occasional opponent with a light presence in the area.  His editor probably likes him to have a "narrative" and the "Coach Hoke is on the hot seat" narrative is as easy as it is false (at least at this point of the season).

Put another way, the reporter is just prattling on, knowing there is no consequence to him doing so.  Even if everything in the article is wrong (as much of it seems to be), the readership of the paper won't care.